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JF_Bay_22_SCG

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Hi guys,
I'm wanting to use this forum to get some information about how your footy clubs are structured.

Fed up with being treated like children over the last few years, an action group of committed Swans supporters in Sydney called SSI <http://www.swansupporters.org> has been formed. Many supporters felt aggrieved about the way in which the Paul Roos vs Terry Wallace coaching saga was carried out, and wished to demonstrate our dissatisfaction to what many could have deemed "underhanded treatment" by those in the Swans board.

The Roos saga definitely opened a can of worms as many issues. Many supporters have felt annoyed and upset about many things with the club; after-matches (and the lack of players in attendance), prices of memberships and general tickets (the highest in the league), even more recently the amount of Melbourne Swans matches for our largely uptapped Melbourne membership base.

As our website states we are wishing to attain the result of democracy within our club, for as far as I know Sydney remains the only club whereby members have no right to vote. In many respects Sydney are a "club" in name only. A "full club membership" gets you a members' medallion that gives you entry into after-match functions. These are often sparsely attended by players, and are in a room where the drinks are not only outrageous (SCG Trust match-day prices) but generally terrible. There are no voting right, merely a club magazine and a car sticker.

Personally I think it is time the Swans became a little more transparent in their actions. The Swans made a loss last year. After two seasons in the black, I as a member feel that I have a right to know why we suddenly made a loss. But such information is withheld not from just myself, but all club members. Information given out by the club is often highly scripted and often lacking in any substance. For example Swans members were given pamphlets advocating that we vote for one person during Easts Leagues Club elections back in 1998. No explanation was given to why, or what benefits this move would be to Swans members were used this facility.

Sadly in Sydney club officials seem to want to avoid supporters at all times, happier to clink champagne with the corporates than to rough it with the "ferals" in the outer, such as myself in the Cheer Squad. I do recall on day last year when David Smorgan stood with the travelling Bulldogs Cheer Squad as they tore us up at the SCG. He was not only approachable to his supporters; he was one of them. Meanwhile Sydney supporters NEVER get to see Richard Colless, who not only seems to avoid contact with members at all times, but is somewhat recalcitrant towards any criticism fired in his direction.

To make this specific to supporters of every club, I'd like to ask you for information in relation to to set-up of your clubs board. What benefits do you get as a member of your footy? Can you readily vote at your club's AGM? How much imput do you have into things such as membership set-up, supporter functions, etc etc? How much say do YOU have in the way your footy club is run?

Personally I think that the Sydney Football Club is old enough to consider the concept of true democracy-giving its members the vote. We were given platitudes back in 93-94 that the Swans WERE our club because it was membership-based. There were even alledged utterances that once we reached 10000 members that we'd be able to get to vote.

More recently there were announcements in the Swans magazine that members' voting rights would be forthcoming by early 2003. Until this date we have heard nothing. The impression some people are getting is that there are people at the club who are stalling on this issue deliberately.

I'm not out here to try and topple chairman Richard Colless or anybody (even if I DO have quite strong personal opinions about the way the Swans are run). I'm also not out to deliberately try and hurt the club I love. However I think it is high time that the members of Sydney Footy Club have the right to choose the way in which their club is governed. And that the road to success (which on the field is as rosy as ever :D) can be taken more closely between members and those who represent them at Driver Ave.

Therefore your imput into the constitutions of your own clubs are highly useful in SSI's information gathering process.

regards from the Harbour City!

Julian Farrell/committee member Swans Supporters Inc. :D

PS:- There has been 3 people either leave the Swans board or a position at the office. Is all well behind closed doors at Moore Park?
 
Originally posted by JF_Bay_22_SCG
What benefits do you get as a member of your footy? Can you readily vote at your club's AGM? How much imput do you have into things such as membership set-up, supporter functions, etc etc? How much say do YOU have in the way your footy club is run?

Dons members get a magazine every few months, some stickers a whole heap of other stuff. We get access to the AGM and voting rights. Don't really now much about club functions, that's another option altogether.

As for having a say in how my club is run, it's hard to say. I guess I could have an impact if I strapped myself with dynamite at the next AGM.
 

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If it wasn't for members have a democratic say in their club the Melbourne Hawks would exist.

I still can't understand how interstate supporters can put up with not having any say in how their club is run.

Having a Hawthorn membership may not make much difference to the day to day running of the club, but I like to think I own a part of the club and have the right to question what the board does, both right and wrong.
 
Good to see comments already coming in.

Keep em coming everyone.

I hear that Fremantle has just started having its first supporter elected member of the board. Is this true, you lot over in the west?

JF in sunny Sydney (NOT!)
 
Originally posted by GOALden Hawk

Having a Hawthorn membership may not make much difference to the day to day running of the club, but I like to think I own a part of the club and have the right to question what the board does, both right and wrong.

Mate, I think it DOES make a difference. You can choose who can lead your club, and under what platform is to lead it.

In Sydney this is simply NOT possible.

I don't like that.

JF
 
Im a member up here and it is pretty disgracefull the support members get from the club. WE pump money into the club, get a seat to watch the team, a sticker, a magazine that appears once in a blue moon, a medallion that enetitles me to an aftermatch that is pathtic if it wasnt for Luffy
 
Members shouldn't have voting rights. All you get is a popularity contest and you risk the high profile club positions going to power hungry nutjobs like Gutnick and Elliott. And when their positions are questioned they make desperate attempts to cling to power. It's no coincidence that Melbourne and Carlton had poor seasons in 2001 and 2002 following good previous seasons with all the turmoil going on at board level. Carlton are still paying for Elliotts mistakes - lost draft picks, Pagan way overpaid, etc.

The majority of the non-Victorian have it right. The less politics in sport the better.
 
But wasn't Gutnik essentially the short term solution to try to set up melbourne for the long term in its own right as a football club, rather than a merged entity? And Elliot must have shown he felt he had a vague idea of a footy club's working to get elected in the first place? From what a lot of carlton supporters on here said after they had gotten over the messes of last year, he generally seemed to do a good job before ego took over.

Up here we get virtually no ackowledgement from the workings of the club unless we beat down their door and make some anti-board noise, ala the Roos saga. Add to that, we have no public constitution, and what there is is not available to the public it would appear, and there is virtually no way right now that we can have our voices heard. Something has to change.
 
Originally posted by JF_Bay_22_SCG

I hear that Fremantle has just started having its first supporter elected member of the board. Is this true, you lot over in the west?

ths

Both us and west coast have been promised the ability to elect 4 members on the board (of 10), at this stage there hasn't been any election.

Keep up the fight, supporters are becoming more and more seperated from the game and every little thing that can be done to ensure the paying public have a say is a good thing.
 
Originally posted by DaveW
Members shouldn't have voting rights.

How do propose new people be appointed to the board?

Having the board members on the board choose who they would like only promotes "jobs for the boys". at least with member elections there is the ability to get independant people on the board.
 

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Originally posted by DaveW
Members shouldn't have voting rights. All you get is a popularity contest and you risk the high profile club positions going to power hungry nutjobs like Gutnick and Elliott. And when their positions are questioned they make desperate attempts to cling to power. It's no coincidence that Melbourne and Carlton had poor seasons in 2001 and 2002 following good previous seasons with all the turmoil going on at board level. Carlton are still paying for Elliotts mistakes - lost draft picks, Pagan way overpaid, etc.

The majority of the non-Victorian have it right. The less politics in sport the better.

Depends who you are accountable to. In WA and SA, the AFL clubs essentially fund football. It is pretty important that those clubs do well financially to provide a source of money to the lower levels. Therefore the local controlling body has a pretty stong input into who runs the clubs, and rightly so.
In Victoria, clubs put nothing back into lower levels of footy and are accountable only to their members. The AFL funds football in Victoria, so there is not much need for anyone other than the football club members to have a say into who runs the club. If the board is incompetent, it's the club members who ultimately suffer the most. Whereas in WA and SA, incompetent boards mean football at all levels gets hit.
 
Originally posted by Balip
How do propose new people be appointed to the board?

Having the board members on the board choose who they would like only promotes "jobs for the boys". at least with member elections there is the ability to get independant people on the board.
The way any normal business works. Just get the best people in to do the job. If you fail to do that then the club will suffer as a result.
 
I've looked into SSI and read their answers to supporters concerns and their propogandaetc.
My conclusion is that they are a group of self important supporters who are living under the illusion that they actually had something to do with Roos getting the coaches job and decided then and there to see if they could realise their own aspirations to work their way into the club in some way.

Their policies?
well, they are pretty much the same as what the Swans are either trying to do or looking to do.

Supporters should stay supporters, and qualified people should run the club.

You know what my biggest worry is?
Someone like Paul Kelly being elected to teh board simply because he puts his name in the hat.

The Swans are in enough trouble at the moment.
We need GOOD, QUALIFIED people running the club.

What were Eddie's qualifications when he took over the presidency of Collingwood?
Media commentator, and spin doctor are his main attributes.
It may work out for the Wobbles, but I wouldn't be giving someone like that my vote for teh Swans board, let alone some bloke representing SSI.
 
At Collingweood you get all this crap with your membership like a magazine, sticker and crap that I couldn't give a toss about. The only reasons I am a member are to give my $ to the club now that they are responsible with it (I had a holiday when the turkeys had control) and to get a GF ticket if we play.

The voting rights aspect is important when things are bad but when things are ok it is irrevlevant. Voting is hardly an issue at present because whether I vote or not Ed will be elected and his ticket wll win in a landslide - for good reason. If the club wanted to take the voting rights away all of a sudden I would think it is the most important thing in my life - well one of anyway. Democracy is one of theings people take for granted until they need it.
 
Originally posted by CureTheSane
I've looked into SSI and read their answers to supporters concerns and their propogandaetc.
My conclusion is that they are a group of self important supporters who are living under the illusion that they actually had something to do with Roos getting the coaches job and decided then and there to see if they could realise their own aspirations to work their way into the club in some way.

Their policies?
well, they are pretty much the same as what the Swans are either trying to do or looking to do.

Supporters should stay supporters, and qualified people should run the club.

You know what my biggest worry is?
Someone like Paul Kelly being elected to teh board simply because he puts his name in the hat.

The Swans are in enough trouble at the moment.
We need GOOD, QUALIFIED people running the club.

What were Eddie's qualifications when he took over the presidency of Collingwood?
Media commentator, and spin doctor are his main attributes.
It may work out for the Wobbles, but I wouldn't be giving someone like that my vote for teh Swans board, let alone some bloke representing SSI.


I think I would vote for you if you put your name forward. The Swans needs people like you who are committed.
 
haha, exactly my point.
What do I know about being on teh Swans board.
Sure, I am a committed and passionate supporter, but so are thousands of other Swans fans.

I just read this...

"Officials today also revealed they had received about 20 applications, including some from overseas, for the position of chief executive.

The applications were received even before the appointment of a leading international recruitment agency. "

www.news.com.au


Now, who would you prefer?
An expert recruited from a leading international recruitment agency, or Joe Blow who somehow managed to wow the voting members and win a spot on the Swans board?
 
Originally posted by windbag
I think I would vote for you if you put your name forward. The Swans needs people like you who are committed.

Is that committed or should be committed:D
 

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