Opinion The run to September, our ladder position after the H&A season?.

Where do finish the H&A season?

  • 2nd

  • 3rd

  • 4th

  • 5th

  • 6th

  • 7th

  • 8th

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I've been thinking about who our ideal matchup might be for the grand final next year when we are looking to go back to back, I'm thinking Port as well.
 
With Gunston looking like he is out for the remainder of the season this is my preferred team for finals >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Ryan Lester.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Connor McKenna.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Dev Robertson, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Linc McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Callum Ah Chee.

Bench- Zac Bailey(70fwd/30mid), Darcy Wilmot(back), Dayne Zorko(roaming), Jaspa Fletcher(wing).

Rayner and Ah Chee spending some time rotating through the midfield, if needed for a big job eg. tagging an Oliver, De Goey, Berry steps up.

Sub options > Kai Lohmann, Jaxon Prior, Nakia Cockatoo, Harry Sharp.
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Fingers crossed there are no more injuries.
 
I've been thinking about who our ideal matchup might be for the grand final next year when we are looking to go back to back, I'm thinking Port as well.
And get the 3 peat by beating Collingwood to complete the nostalgia.
 
With Gunston looking like he is out for the remainder of the season this is my preferred team for finals >

Brandon Starcevich, Jack Payne, Ryan Lester.
Keidean Coleman, Harris Andrews, Connor McKenna.

Oscar McInerney, Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley.
Hugh McCluggage, Dev Robertson, Jarrod Berry.

Charlie Cameron, Eric Hipwood, Cam Rayner.
Linc McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Callum Ah Chee.

Bench- Zac Bailey(70fwd/30mid), Darcy Wilmot(back), Dayne Zorko(roaming), Jaspa Fletcher(wing).

Rayner and Ah Chee spending some time rotating through the midfield, if needed for a big job eg. tagging an Oliver, De Goey, Berry steps up.

Sub options > Kai Lohmann, Jaxon Prior, Nakia Cockatoo, Harry Sharp.
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Fingers crossed there are no more injuries.

That is our best team yep
 
I've been thinking about who our ideal matchup might be for the grand final next year when we are looking to go back to back, I'm thinking Port as well.
Playing and of course beating the Bulldogs in a grand final has always been a fantasy of mine. Our jumpers against theirs is one of the most satisfying visuals in footy.
 
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Just ran a little ladder prediction, there's really two games that I feel are going to be quite instrumental to shaping the Top 4.

Collingwood v Brisbane (Marvel)

Sydney v Melbourne (SCG)

If we lose to Collingwood but Sydney beat Melbourne, then it's probably a trip in Adelaide for the QF. If Melbourne win, then it'd be an MCG QF versus Collingwood.

On the flipside, if we beat Collingwood this week then we effectively lock in second spot as Port's percentage is awful and Melbourne are a game behind (Provided we beat the Saints in Rd23).

If we do finish second, all odds are pointing to Port travelling to the GABBA.

TLDR: If we beat the Pies on Friday, we'll very likely finish second.
 
Just ran a little ladder prediction, there's really two games that I feel are going to be quite instrumental to shaping the Top 4.

Collingwood v Brisbane (Marvel)

Sydney v Melbourne (SCG)

If we lose to Collingwood but Sydney beat Melbourne, then it's probably a trip in Adelaide for the QF. If Melbourne win, then it'd be an MCG QF versus Collingwood.

On the flipside, if we beat Collingwood this week then we effectively lock in second spot as Port's percentage is awful and Melbourne are a game behind (Provided we beat the Saints in Rd23).

If we do finish second, all odds are pointing to Port travelling to the GABBA.

TLDR: If we beat the Pies on Friday, we'll very likely finish second.

Talk about a must win for one team and not the other. I hope Fly does us a solid and rests a few mids.
 
Talk about a must win for one team and not the other. I hope Fly does us a solid and rests a few mids.
We’ve got them at a good time with their best mid and best defender out. Coupled with playing at the Dome there’s no excuses not to give a good account of ourselves.

Edit. But yes if you’re reading this Fly, help an old team out would ya mate?
 
Must admit, I find it somewhat disappointing that we weren't able to do what Port is doing to GWS on their home deck.

Ive read alot on various threads excusing us for again not being able to account for a lowly team that needs to keep winning to make finals. Well, GWS do and Port are putting on a professional and clinical display - exactly the opposite of us. Similarly, the same type of excuses were afforded to our small win against Freo. I guess the Freo v Port game will give us an indicator. If Port really put them away, I'll probably be more disappointed.

Yes you have to be happy with wins, but there s no confidence in them and I dont think our footy stands up like Collingwood, Port or Melbourne. But I just wish we had a win like Port's in the last 2 which I honestly thought we would yesterday.
 
Getting down to the pointy end now, 2 games to go >

Magpies 68, 126.7% > Lions(H), Bombers(H).
Lions 60, 123.2% > Magpies(A), Saints(H).
Power 60, 111% > Dockers(A), Tigers(H).
Demons 56, 124% > Hawks(H), Swans(A).
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Blues 50, 116.8% > Suns(A), Giants(H).
Saints 48, 107% > Cats(H), Lions(A).
Swans 46, 112.1% > Crows(A), Demons(H).
Bulldogs 44, 108.5% > Eagles(H), Cats(A).
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Giants 44, 101.6% > Bombers(H), Blues(A).
Bombers 44, 99.1% > Giants(A), Magpies(H).
Cats 42, 117.5% > Saints(A), Bulldogs(H).
Crows 40, 115.8% > Swans(H), Eagles(A).

Really is a very tight race for 2nd to 4th and then from the Saints 48 points in 6th to the Crows 40 points 12th the lower reaches of the 8 are really up for grabs. Swans v Crows, Cats v Saints, Giants v Bombers are huge this weekend for makeup of the lower 4 of the 8. Lions v Magpies huge for us re top 2.

FWIW I think the final H&A ladder ends up >

Magpies
Lions
Power
Demons

Blues
Cats
Crows
Bulldogs

1st week of finals >

Magpies v Demons MCG.
Lions v Power Gabba.

Blues v Bulldogs MCG.
Cats v Crows GMHBA.
 

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Which of the top 4 teams does our midfield match best against?
Honestly? Probably Collingwood.

Mitchell and Pendlebury aren’t speedsters and even JDG isn’t rapid. No Daicos/Ashcroft is also balanced out.

We’ll find out if I’m right on Friday.
 
Which of the top 4 teams does our midfield match best against?
Can make a case for either Melbourne or Collingwood I suppose.
Pickett the player for Melbourne who can change the look of their midfield to trouble us. Otherwise somewhat even.
Collingwood if we can stop their transition game I’m comfortable with.

Port just worry me with how dynamic they can be.
 
Ben Dixon has declared us “sitting ducks” on talking footy and then spends the next 10 min bragging about Hawthorn🤔
 
Ben Dixon has declared us “sitting ducks” on talking footy and then spends the next 10 min bragging about Hawthorn🤔

Yeah made me feel miles better about our position.

The one thing I will say is that I agree with the criticism that close wins paper over issues in performance and we make too much of them. Of course we are just about the only team that actually gets slammed for winning close games as opposed to praise for 'having the grit to tough it out.'
 
Must admit, I find it somewhat disappointing that we weren't able to do what Port is doing to GWS on their home deck.

Ive read alot on various threads excusing us for again not being able to account for a lowly team that needs to keep winning to make finals. Well, GWS do and Port are putting on a professional and clinical display - exactly the opposite of us. Similarly, the same type of excuses were afforded to our small win against Freo. I guess the Freo v Port game will give us an indicator. If Port really put them away, I'll probably be more disappointed.

Yes you have to be happy with wins, but there s no confidence in them and I dont think our footy stands up like Collingwood, Port or Melbourne. But I just wish we had a win like Port's in the last 2 which I honestly thought we would yesterday.
Ummm aha …. Before the weekend Port were 0-4 and crows came close to dees and magpies on their home deck. But yeah be unhappy
 
Bit of fixture analysis now we are 22 rounds in for the top 4. The afl fixture is not even and can't ever be even unless we move to playing 34 games a year, so there is nothing to do about it but worth understanding where things have ended up in terms of double ups:

Collingwood double ups
  • Bris - 2nd on the ladder, 3rd best percentage
  • Carlton - 5th on ladder, 5th best percentage
  • Port - 3rd on the ladder, 7th best percentage
  • Cats - 11th on the ladder, 4th best percentage
  • Adelaide - 12th on ladder, 6th best percentage
  • Bombers - 9th on the ladder, 11th best percentage
Pretty tough draw as it turned out, very impressive for them to pretty much have the minor premiership won with two weeks to go (barring two losses for them, two wins for us and us to get ahead on percentage).

Us
  • Pies - 1st on the ladder, 1st percentage
  • Melbourne - 4th on the ladder, 2nd percentage
  • St Kilda - 6th on the ladder, 10th percentage
  • Adelaide - 12th on ladder, 6th best percentage
  • Fremantle - 14th on ladder, 13th best percentage
  • Suns - 15th on the ladder, 15th best percentage
Freo turned out to be easier than would have been expected at the start of the year, on the flip side Crows much better than expected. All in all the sort of draw you'd expect after making a prelim although having a double up against two other top 4 teams is tough.

Port
  • Pies - 1st on the ladder, 1st percentage
  • Dogs - 8th on the ladder, 9th percentage
  • Cats - 11th on the ladder, 4th best percentage
  • Adelaide - 12th on ladder, 6th best percentage
  • Bombers - 9th on the ladder, 11th best percentage
  • Tigers - 13th on the ladder, 14th best percentage.
Looking at ladder positions this is definitely an easier draw than ours but not crazily so. Percentage wise the double ups are pretty tough. About what you expect from a team that finished in the 'middle 6' fixture bracket.

Dees
  • Bris - 2nd on the ladder, 3rd best percentage
  • Carlton - 5th on ladder, 5th best percentage
  • Sydney - 7th on the ladder, 7th best percentage
  • Tigers - 13th on the ladder, 14th best percentage
  • Hawks - 16th on the ladder, 16th best percentage
  • Norf - 17th on the ladder, 17th best percentage
This is a team that got a very lucky fixture. Have ended up with three teams in the current bottom 6 (the teams that get given the 'easiest' draw for next year based on finishing position) and got double ups against norf and the hawks. Yeah, the hawks have beaten some good teams and are miles better than norf and the eagles, but equally their percentage is just above 80 and is 10% behind the 15th best percentage in the league.

Norf's percentage is 68 - we won a spoon in 2017 with a better percentage. Dees are roughly 1 percent ahead of us currently and are odds on to finish ahead of us if we end level on points. Getting to play north twice as opposed to the Suns (as our 'worst' double up fixture) easily accounts for the percentage difference.
 
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I also wonder if the boys are now over conscious of closing out games since the Melbourne loss which is inadvertently letting teams back in or we have just played a couple of really desperate teams who weren’t go gunna go away.
Yeah made me feel miles better about our position.

The one thing I will say is that I agree with the criticism that close wins paper over issues in performance and we make too much of them. Of course we are just about the only team that actually gets slammed for winning close games as opposed to praise for 'having the grit to tough it out.'
 

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