Society/Culture The seemingly growing anti 'western' sentiment in 'western' societies.

[Lsta062]

Well, the main reason is social media. Western mainstream media delivers information in a way that keeps western people “pro-West”. It’s basically a Western propaganda machine believe it or not.

Social media though provides people with a range of perspectives. It gives independent journalists the opportunity to show what the Western mainstream media ignores.

It’s not a surprise that the Millennial and Gen Z generations have more anti-Western sentiments than the Boomers and Gen X generations. It’s because the younger generations in the West rely less on Western mainstream media for their news and more on non-traditional sources.

 

[peetoo]

Well, the main reason is social media. Western mainstream media delivers information in a way that keeps western people “pro-West”. It’s basically a Western propaganda machine believe it or not.

Social media though provides people with a range of perspectives. It gives independent journalists the opportunity to show what the Western mainstream media ignores.

It’s not a surprise that the Millennial and Gen Z generations have more anti-Western sentiments than the Boomers and Gen X generations. It’s because the younger generations in the West rely less on Western mainstream media for their news and more on non-traditional sources.

When the boomers were the ‘younger generation’?

E.g. something something Vietnam?

 

[Lsta062]

When the bombers were the ‘younger generation’?

E.g. something something Vietnam?

Weren’t boomers considered “hippies” by older generations after they were against the Vietnam war? At least that’s what I remember.

But since September 11 2001, Western boomers on average have been eating up what Western mainstream media serves them unfortunately. A lot of Western propaganda in some of what they report.

Not all boomers of course, but more than the current younger generations.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Well, the main reason is social media. Western mainstream media delivers information in a way that keeps western people “pro-West”. It’s basically a Western propaganda machine believe it or not.

Social media though provides people with a range of perspectives. It gives independent journalists the opportunity to show what the Western mainstream media ignores.

It’s not a surprise that the Millennial and Gen Z generations have more anti-Western sentiments than the Boomers and Gen X generations. It’s because the younger generations in the West rely less on Western mainstream media for their news and more on non-traditional sources.

Agree to some extent. Why shouldn’t we be pro-West? However, for better or worse, social media highlights issues that encourage activism, and many of those issues throw a negative slant on Western values and traditions.

 

[Rob R]

Well, the main reason is social media. Western mainstream media delivers information in a way that keeps western people “pro-West”. It’s basically a Western propaganda machine believe it or not.

Social media though provides people with a range of perspectives. It gives independent journalists the opportunity to show what the Western mainstream media ignores.

It’s not a surprise that the Millennial and Gen Z generations have more anti-Western sentiments than the Boomers and Gen X generations. It’s because the younger generations in the West rely less on Western mainstream media for their news and more on non-traditional sources.

Like foreign controlled Tik Tok whose algorithms are used to manipulate people (especially the Gen Z and A who just mindlessly follow social media trends) and amplify/kill stories as part of a given government info ops campaign



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[Lsta062]

Agree to some extent. Why shouldn’t we be pro-West? However, for better or worse, social media highlights issues that encourage activism, and many of those issues throw a negative slant on Western values and traditions.

Yeah social media does that, but some may argue that it counteracts traditional Western mainstream media throwing negative slants at non-Western values and traditions.

Anyway, my opinion is that I don’t think we should blindly be pro-West considering their role in horrible outcomes for especially non-Western people over the years. It’s same reason why Chinese and Russian citizens shouldn’t blindly be pro-Chinese/Russian respectively either.

Look at the Iraq/Afghanistan war in the 2000s as an example. The operation was a shambles and resulted in the death of possibly 1 million people. Yes, 1,000,000 people. The lowest range in death estimates is in the mid 100,000s and the highest is over 1 million. Even if it’s in the mid 100,000s, that’s more than the MCG can hold. All of that and they found no “weapons of mass destruction” there. Also, many Western soldiers died in that war or returned home with PTSD. Just awful all around.

This is why I think it’s important for people not to fall for Western propaganda because there are times when scrutiny of Western actions is warranted. Western operations need critical analysis just like Russian and Chinese operations need it.

 

[Lsta062]

Like foreign controlled Tik Tok whose algorithms are used to manipulate people (especially the Gen Z and A who just mindlessly follow social media trends) and amplify/kill stories as part of a given government info ops campaign



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I didn’t say that social media didn’t have propaganda in it. It certainly does and I’ve seen it many times.

But so does Western mainstream media. Some people consume mainstream media as if it’s completely unbiased when that isn’t the case.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

We’re entitled to defend what is undeniably the best system in the world. What we do that other systems don’t is allow criticism of our system. In fact we encourage it

 

[faible]

We’re entitled to defend what is undeniably the best system in the world. What we do that other systems don’t is allow criticism of our system. In fact we encourage it

The ‘system’ differs from every country though. The US and Norway are a long, long way apart.

 

[peetoo]

So the vibe is ‘you have democracy, now STFU.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

We’re entitled to defend what is undeniably the best system in the world. What we do that other systems don’t is allow criticism of our system. In fact we encourage it

lol what system. There is no system.

Plenty of western countries reject pure capitalism and the US is going down a theocratic and fascist path that rejects individual liberties. These are western yet very different systems.


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[Dogs_R_Us]

lol what system. There is no system.

Plenty of western countries reject pure capitalism and the US is going down a theocratic and fascist path that rejects individual liberties. These are western yet very different systems.


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I mean the Western democratic systems (including the USA) that are founded on tolerance, respect, negotiation, social cohesion, freedom of speech, association, movement and freedom of belief. Also free elections, freedom of assembly and political participation, rule of law, basic human rights.

Find all of those in other systems. People complaining don’t realise how good we’ve got it

 

[Carringbush2010]

Agree to some extent. Why shouldn’t we be pro-West? However, for better or worse, social media highlights issues that encourage activism, and many of those issues throw a negative slant on Western values and traditions.

Good point, however the same could equally be said about activism itself, both 'western' values and activism, at the core, have good intentions.

 

[Carringbush2010]

I mean the Western democratic systems (including the USA) that are founded on tolerance, respect, negotiation, social cohesion, freedom of speech, association, movement and freedom of belief. Also free elections, freedom of assembly and political participation, rule of law, basic human rights.

Find all of those in other systems. People complaining don’t realise how good we’ve got it

Just to be clear to everyone, this is not the intent of the op, that being 'stfu there's no better societal model, like it or leave'

The op is merely curiosity of what drives some to such emotional investment to the point of irrational, like gluing oneself to the road or the old white conservative yelling at 'political correctness' even though what he's yelling at will have zero effect on his day to day life.

How is that an individual gets to this point? Curious to know how this mind set comes to be.

 

[evolved2]

I think a lot of people perceive an acknowledgement of events as an attack because of fragile ego.

I used to feel the same way - thinking that people talking about Australia's treatment of migrants or our colonial history were trying to thrust white guilt upon me for events that I had no part in. Then I realised that no one was ever asking me to apologise, or pay reparations, or whatever conservative bullshit I'd eaten up; they simply wanted to me understand cause and effect.

I don't have guilt about being a white fella in a western country - my ancestors were convicts and didn't ask to be here, but I now understand that Australia's brutal colonialist past have caused problems that still permeate through Indigenous society today.

So while I see you don't want to "pretend this sentiment doesn't exist", I challenge you to ask yourself on whether what you perceived as attacks on western society is simply asking you to understand why ****ed up things the West has done might have resulted in some of the ****ed up things we see today.

Your posts makes a lot more sense now I know your ancestors were convicts!

I feel Carringbush2010 has a valid point here. As an anti-theist who opposes all religion, I've found the left side of politics is much friendlier towards the brown variety (Islam) than white variety (Christianity) of Abrahamic sky pixie believer and religion.

Is it self-loathing based on white guilt? Possibly, but I'm yet to be convinced either way.

One SRP progressive poster said they wanted Australia to take in 500k Palestine refugees. How do you feel about the suggestion knowing that Palestinians have socially conservative views in general, and that landlords would become even more rich as a result? Most issues have shades of grey that the extremes of left and right don't want to deal with. That's why it's good to be a centrist.

 

[Madas]

I feel Western Society has become way too decadent and I can’t see that trend pulling back .
Along with that decadance and individual selfishness comes a lack of awareness for the damage that is being caused to other people and the planet whilst we all strive for more and more .

It’s not just Western Society it’s human nature .
The east in some regards are worse perpetrators than the west when it comes to human rights and environmental degradation.

So many things that western society is driving ( over communication , global corporations , theft of personal identity, cyber crime , consumerism etc ) are unnecessary and terrible pathways to be hurtling down but it feels inevitable in our current trajectory that these problems are just going to get worse and worse .
It’s like there is no turning back and that really scares me .

 

[Engimal v3]

Your posts makes a lot more sense now I know your ancestors were convicts!

I feel Carringbush2010 has a valid point here. As an anti-theist who opposes all religion, I've found the left side of politics is much friendlier towards the brown variety (Islam) than white variety (Christianity) of Abrahamic sky pixie believer and religion.

Is it self-loathing based on white guilt? Possibly, but I'm yet to be convinced either way.

One SRP progressive poster said they wanted Australia to take in 500k Palestine refugees. How do you feel about the suggestion knowing that Palestinians have socially conservative views in general, and that landlords would become even more rich as a result? Most issues have shades of grey that the extremes of left and right don't want to deal with. That's why it's good to be a centrist.

Being left wing doesn't mean you have to agree with all the ideas of the far left. However, being a centrist means conservatism has some appeal to you, and I don't see how that's defensible because it's an inherently bullshit ideology.

 

[evolved2]

Being left wing doesn't mean you have to agree with all the ideas of the far left. However, being a centrist means conservatism has some appeal to you, and I don't see how that's defensible because it's an inherently bullshit ideology.

Some of my assets like to be touched, others not so much.

 

[Carringbush2010]

Being left wing doesn't mean you have to agree with all the ideas of the far left. However, being a centrist means conservatism has some appeal to you, and I don't see how that's defensible because it's an inherently bullshit ideology.

Of course it does, just as much as social elements have great appeal, like law and order, organization and hierarchy.

Going a lil off topic, just to give you an insight as to why some conservative elements are not 'bs ideology' and do have appeal.

Things that are ideal to be conserved are things that have zero or little detriment to anyone and benefit the many.

Conservates aren't all just angry self centred white males, the same as not all progressives are irrational.

It's funny we immediately look at the fringe ends when someone mentions 'wokesters' or 'rwingers'

 

[Cap]

Well, the main reason is social media. Western mainstream media delivers information in a way that keeps western people “pro-West”. It’s basically a Western propaganda machine believe it or not.

Social media though provides people with a range of perspectives. It gives independent journalists the opportunity to show what the Western mainstream media ignores.

It’s not a surprise that the Millennial and Gen Z generations have more anti-Western sentiments than the Boomers and Gen X generations. It’s because the younger generations in the West rely less on Western mainstream media for their news and more on non-traditional sources.

I don't buy that these younger generations are less pro west.

They are just aren't as focused on what we and the older generations thought was 'pro-west'.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I've found the left side of politics is much friendlier towards the brown variety (Islam) than white variety (Christianity) of Abrahamic sky pixie believer and religion.

Again it’s the result of CRT pushed by universities in the hierarchy of oppression. I’d venture to suggest they don’t grasp that the brown sky pixie is less friendly towards them than they might imagine.

So many things that western society is driving ( over communication , global corporations , theft of personal identity, cyber crime , consumerism etc ) are unnecessary and terrible pathways to be hurtling down but it feels inevitable in our current trajectory that these problems are just going to get worse and worse .

Non-Western “actors” are way ahead of us in these areas.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

One SRP progressive poster said they wanted Australia to take in 500k Palestine refugees. How do you feel about the suggestion knowing that Palestinians have socially conservative views in general, and that landlords would become even more rich as a result?

Trouble is they come from a society many of whose values are anathema to ours. Socially conservative is putting it optimistically. Plus they would need to put aside lifelong beliefs in many things we abhor in order to fit in and become Australian. Some already here seem unwilling to do that. That’s not a recipe for societal harmony. Rental rip-offs would be the least of our worries.

 

[evolved2]

Again it’s the result of CRT pushed by universities in the hierarchy of oppression. I’d venture to suggest they don’t grasp that the brown sky pixie is less friendly towards them than they might imagine.


Non-Western “actors” are way ahead of us in these areas.

There's a lot of dumb white folk posting on the SRP.

 

[evolved2]

Trouble is they come from a society many of whose values are anathema to ours. Socially conservative is putting it optimistically. Plus they would need to put aside lifelong beliefs in many things we abhor in order to fit in and become Australian. Some already here seem unwilling to do that. That’s not a recipe for societal harmony. Rental rip-offs would be the least of our worries.

It's the fault of white men, you bigot!

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

I've found the left side of politics is much friendlier towards the brown variety (Islam) than white variety (Christianity) of Abrahamic sky pixie believer and religion.

Could this be because of the context on which both religions are brought up?

The debate on Islam in 2014: Should we ban or restrict immigration from Islamic-majority countries to stop terrorism?

The debate on Christianity in 2014: Should we fund Christian chaplains in public schools in lieu of actual student support services?