Rumour The St Kilda debt situation - no more tick

[Liam Boy]

The AFL nuked Sunday nights a couple of years ago, after complaints from clubs - Collingwood specifically - that it affected attendance

that's only because people have work the next day. Adelaide cup day is a public holiday so the Sunday night before it should be treated like a Friday or Saturday.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Thats the way the AFL want us to see it, its their money to dole out as they think appropriate, as the clubs/teams put on the show & shut up.

BUT:
Essendon president Paul Brasher stated the AFL’s removing of $2m from sure clubs for 2022 was accomplished on the premise {that a} working group would overview it.
“We’d be pretty keen, we’d have a lot to say in that,” stated Brasher. “Other clubs will as well.
“Every club is going to speak through self-interest and if you look at it, the clubs that would expect to get more out of variable funding will want one thing. The clubs that think that they’ve probably sacrificed too much already will want something else. Whatever way it goes, [we] want to have a strong voice in that discussion.”

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The AFL doles out the money & spent more than it earned in the final year of the last media contract term, its not just Covid.

I don't understand your point?

I don't think the AFL want people to see it that way. I think that's the last thing they want.

I mean who the **** would barrack for a club that is, and always will be a Minnie with less appeal than the big clubs??

The AFL want it to appear as even as they can. It's a charade though.

 

[The_Wookie]

The AFL doles out the money & spent more than it earned in the final year of the last media contract term, its not just Covid.

Almost always makes a loss in the last year of its media deals. Its losses were in 2011, 2016 and very much COVID related in 2020/21.

 

[craffles]

I think people forget the AFL is actually a not for profit organisation. They are supposed to inject money back into the game.

 

[Freomaniac]

Yep, agree on all.

That said, just how much St Kilda and the Dogs haver got above North is quite astounding.

North were unlucky to be in our worst financial hole just as online/social started being a real thing, so we got stuck with the povvo Norf tag.

Facts demonstrates its St Kilda and the Dogs who have been most reliant on special distribution.

The Tiges not afraid to put the hand our for such a massive power club too lol.

The tigers are not broke though

 

[Kwality]

I think people forget the AFL is actually a not for profit organisation. They are supposed to inject money back into the game.

Not sure anyone is suggesting that. Its how they spend it that is being discussed.

 

[Kwality]

I don't understand your point?

I don't think the AFL want people to see it that way. I think that's the last thing they want.

I mean who the fu** would barrack for a club that is, and always will be a Minnie with less appeal than the big clubs??

The AFL want it to appear as even as they can. It's a charade though.

The AFL admin see the money as theirs to decide where to spend e.g the TV money. The Essendon president is saying 'no way'.

I was borne into a low performing WAFL club at that time, Subiaco. It was a long delay waiting for success, i.e my mid 20s. Didnt miss many games in most years from the 10 years of age.

 

[The Warlord]

At club level, there is more noise about the massive funding of St Kilda - nearly $17 million more the next Victorian club over the decade, despite a larger fan base than the Dogs or North - than the dollars pumped into GWS and the Suns. Having reduced their debt, the Saints should be preparing for a much less generous package.

Can we get this one changed to proven verified fact please mods?

How the AFL’s ‘power’ clubs have lost power

We still call the clubs with the most supporters and dollars “power clubs” but that term is becoming a misnomer in an AFL competition that has increasingly concentrated power.

www.theage.com.au

No need for apologies from the many posters who attacked and smeared me on this thread.

Such are the burdens of truth tellers and prophets.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Can we get this one changed to proven verified fact please mods?

How the AFL’s ‘power’ clubs have lost power

We still call the clubs with the most supporters and dollars “power clubs” but that term is becoming a misnomer in an AFL competition that has increasingly concentrated power.

www.theage.com.au

No need for apologies from the many posters who attacked and smeared me on this thread.

Such are the burdens of truth tellers and prophets.

Wasn't your claim that St. Kilda were going to be cut off the drip?

That article states the opposite. It basically says that rich clubs don't like poor clubs getting heaps of cash - but the AFL know it's the right thing to do and are basically telling the whingers to STFU.

 

[The Warlord]

Wasn't your claim that St. Kilda were going to be cut off the drip?

That article states the opposite. It basically says that rich clubs don't like poor clubs getting heaps of cash - but the AFL know it's the right thing to do and are basically telling the whingers to STFU.

My claim was there serious disquiet among clubs about the level of funding St Kilda get and that non Vic clubs wanted their funding cut.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

My claim was there serious disquiet among clubs about the level of funding St Kilda get and that non Vic clubs wanted their funding cut.

FWIW, big clubs ironically whining about handouts to smaller clubs isn't a shock.

The suggestion that it is anything more than that though, has been proven to be false.

 

[eastfreo75]

FWIW, big clubs ironically whining about handouts to smaller clubs isn't a shock.

The suggestion that it is anything more than that though, has been proven to be false.

Fremantle is a big club?

 

[The Warlord]

FWIW, big clubs ironically whining about handouts to smaller clubs isn't a shock.

The suggestion that it is anything more than that though, has been proven to be false.

No, I very specifically said big clubs were deeply unhappy about St Kilda's debt situation.

As the Chief Football Writer of The Age (that most august position, the sole source of truth when it comes to smaller Melbourne clubs) says:

At club level, there is more noise about the massive funding of St Kilda - nearly $17 million more the next Victorian club over the decade, despite a larger fan base than the Dogs or North - than the dollars pumped into GWS and the Suns. Having reduced their debt, the Saints should be preparing for a much less generous package.

That's a vindication of my OP, where I was mocked by many, including several Richmond supporters I have placed on ignore but can only assume have died from their effects of their serious alcoholism.

 

[The_Wookie]

No, I very specifically said big clubs were deeply unhappy about St Kilda's debt situation.

As the Chief Football Writer of The Age (that most august position, the sole source of truth when it comes to smaller Melbourne clubs) says:

At club level, there is more noise about the massive funding of St Kilda - nearly $17 million more the next Victorian club over the decade, despite a larger fan base than the Dogs or North - than the dollars pumped into GWS and the Suns. Having reduced their debt, the Saints should be preparing for a much less generous package.

That's a vindication of my OP, where I was mocked by many, including several Richmond supporters I have placed on ignore but can only assume have died from their effects of their serious alcoholism.

Fact is if clubs are getting out of debt and receiving better stadium deals, their distributions should be reducing. The argument from the smaller clubs at least is that while the additional funding has helped them year on year, it doesnt address the historical uneveness of the competition that lead to the competitive balance funds in the first place, namely fixturing issues that have plagued the smaller clubs since the comp went national in 87, and stadium issues under the league/government rationalisation program.

 

[The Warlord]

Fact is if clubs are getting out of debt and receiving better stadium deals, their distributions should be reducing. The argument from the smaller clubs at least is that while the additional funding has helped them year on year, it doesnt address the historical uneveness of the competition that lead to the competitive balance funds in the first place, namely fixturing issues that have plagued the smaller clubs since the comp went national in 87, and stadium issues under the league/government rationalisation program.

Agree on all.

For example, the AFL appear to have made North v Dogs on Good Friday a standard thing.

Now it is up to us to make it a blockbuster.

All we want is opportunity.

 

[Beerfish]

Agree on all.

For example, the AFL appear to have made North v Dogs on Good Friday a standard thing.

Now it is up to us to make it a blockbuster.

All we want is opportunity.

Well get Sheeds involved then.

 

[The Warlord]

Well get Sheeds involved then.

After his last venture with the Libs, possibly not the best idea.

Albeit it'd only cost us a bottle of tawny port, so maybe worth it.

 

[Mat Mann]

this is what you specifically said

Suggestion from a well placed thourthe that big non Vic clubs have said no more debt support for the Saints.

Covid wasn't as bad as feared for the comp and time for fiscal reality to hit, given their own massive revenue hits.

Obviously this still needs AFL to agree but not good for the Sainters.

If the AFL refuses to guarantee club debt, that club is bankrupt when it is holding large debt like the Saints.

Interesting times ahead. Saints need a Dogs 2016 flag.

No, I very specifically said big clubs were deeply unhappy about St Kilda's debt situation.

As the Chief Football Writer of The Age (that most august position, the sole source of truth when it comes to smaller Melbourne clubs) says:

At club level, there is more noise about the massive funding of St Kilda - nearly $17 million more the next Victorian club over the decade, despite a larger fan base than the Dogs or North - than the dollars pumped into GWS and the Suns. Having reduced their debt, the Saints should be preparing for a much less generous package.

That's a vindication of my OP, where I was mocked by many, including several Richmond supporters I have placed on ignore but can only assume have died from their effects of their serious alcoholism.

Suns have received $42m more in that same period and GWS $47m. I wonder if an extra $17m more in that period covers the 65 more games Saints have played at Docklands than Dogs and North over the 2 decades.

maybe the big angry clubs would be willing to forgo their excessive FTA coverage and decidedly better (than the small 3 Melb teams) stadium deals to ease the burden of propping up said teams.

but nowhere in that article did it vindicate your rant on StKilda's debt. Jake's gossip column cant be claimed as a source, at club level..... haha.
It's like saying at club level there's a want for COLA to be re-introduced. 1 club does not equal a majority.

 

[The Warlord]

Jake's gossip column cant be claimed as a source, at club level..... haha.
It's like saying at club level there's a want for COLA to be re-introduced. 1 club does not equal a majority.

It is good that you guys are paying off your debt, but pretending other clubs weren't going WTF at the massive overs you were/are getting is la la land stuff.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Agree on all.

For example, the AFL appear to have made North v Dogs on Good Friday a standard thing.

Now it is up to us to make it a blockbuster.

All we want is opportunity.

I have a view on this.

North, Dogs, Saints etc. will never, ever be 'big' clubs.

The reality is that their supporters just aren't that into it.

They have other shit in their lives that is more important to them than footy.

Think about it. Think about all the real hardcore deadshit footy nutjobs that you know. I bet you that they're either an Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond or Carlton supporter.

Those dudes are just into it. It's their life. They show up no matter what.

Most Saints, Demons and North fans that I know, have more important shit to do with their time.

There's no way a game between two clubs with supporters that generally don't really care all that much, will ever be a Blockbuster.

 

[VinnieB]

I have a view on this.

North, Dogs, Saints etc. will never, ever be 'big' clubs.

The reality is that their supporters just aren't that into it.

They have other sh*t in their lives that is more important to them than footy.

Think about it. Think about all the real hardcore deadshit footy nutjobs that you know. I bet you that they're either an Essendon, Collingwood, Richmond or Carlton supporter.

Those dudes are just into it. It's their life. They show up no matter what.

Most Saints, Demons and North fans that I know, have more important sh*t to do with their time.

There's no way a game between two UBS with supporters that generally don't really care all that much, will ever be a Blockbuster.

Or they’re just shiit

 

[Freomaniac]

Not sure anyone is suggesting that. Its how they spend it that is being discussed.

Its criminal they spend very few dollars on grass roots footy

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Or they’re just shiit

Like Collingwood in 2022?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Or they’re just shiit

No, that's just the typical ignorant view of it.

When St. Kilda were a top 4 team, and Richmond were a bottom 4 team, their attendances were much the same.

When St. Kilda were a bottom 4 team and Richmond were top 4 - the difference was astronomical.

So these lunatics that support the big clubs - are battlers with nothing else in their life. Footy is number 1. They rock up in huge numbers even if their team is shit. Whereas the small clubs' fans still don't really even rock up when their team is doing really well. They just have better things to do than go to the footy on a weekend.

Some clubs' supporters just don't really care that much.

 

[WillHayward]

I think people forget the AFL is actually a not for profit organisation. They are supposed to inject money back into the game.

They are supposed to be a custodian of the game.
Instead they have slowly but surely morphed into sleazy capitalists who thinks the game owes them a living and seeking to commercialise everything to the absolute nth degree.

The game has become a slave to commerce rather than the other way around .

If you were a young kid or an alien you'd be certain that NAB invented the game.