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Tesla owner I spoke to..has it on a lease.

35,000 km
Saving $10,000 in servicing and fuel a year.
$1100 back in “fuel costs”. 4.2 cents a kilometer.
Charging it free on solar or OVO…

For $1200 a month. …. Basically a car for free.
 

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nut said:
Tesla owner I spoke to..has it on a lease.

35,000 km
Saving $10,000 in servicing and fuel a year.
$1100 back in “fuel costs”. 4.2 cents a kilometer.
Charging it free on solar or OVO…

For $1200 a month. …. Basically a car for free.
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Are they paying a lease or not?
 
nut said:
🤣🤣
Seriously …. You need to check out fast chargers … have you been in a coma for 4 years?
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1) fast chargers destroy the useful lives of batteries
2) This is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is amortising an entire car that has a battery capable of 1,000 to 2,000 full cycles, for a energy storage devise and a purpose it is not well designed for (control systems for this purpose are very different)
 
peetoo said:
Unless you can recharge at work cheaply (firms should be able to get cheap energy if they are agile )
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companies like MinRes no longer allow recharging within the building, as their insurance companies won't cover the fire risk after a tesla caught fire under their building. It took four hours to put out the fire and placed the entire head office work force at risk.

You will find charging on the street or open air car parks to be the norm unless the risks decrease
 
nut said:
I think he’ll own at the end of the novated lease
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Its not a free car if he's paying a lease.

www.money.com.au

Tesla Model 3 Novated Lease Pricing (Save $1000's)

With a novated lease on a Tesla Model 3, you can save $1,000s in income tax and GST on the price of the vehicles and your running costs. Find out how.
www.money.com.au www.money.com.au

This one is $69 000 over 5 years.
A lot of people include their running costs as part of the lease, its better for tax, but if you are in a position to minimise your costs like you pointed out, you'd be better reducing your lease payments and exclude running costs.

At the end of this one, there is a residual payment of $18 000. To own it you need to pay the residual.

This seems to be pretty typical in the lease industry, and there are cases of people left with a residual of more than the car value. Yep that cute looking Citroen seemed a good idea at the time.

The value of novated leases depends very much on individual circumstances.
 
nut said:
which one? You mean the one where I believe usage will be free? And you will pay for peak demand?
Eg…. 5kwh plan - 10kwh plan -15kw plans etc… so provided you stay under those peak imputs you just pay a set fee. Per month..
Like NBN plans where you pay for speed?

If you go over those limits you have to pay.

Something like this….

FEATURE: Free energy is closer than you think | Digital Grid Futures Institute (DGFI)

www.dgfi.unsw.edu.au www.dgfi.unsw.edu.au
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Yep, that's probably how it goes. A fixed fee that cover the infrastructure and included usage and then you pay for anything over and above.

I also see a future where you don't get paid for excess energy you produce - use it or lose it.
 
Cmarsh said:
Why are they protesting fossil fuel use while in plastic boats derived from fossil fuels?

www.abc.net.au

Climate change protesters arrested as thousands descend on Newcastle Harbour

Several people have been arrested at a climate protest in Newcastle that involved hundreds of activists taking to the city's harbour in canoes and kayaks.
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And wearing polyester clothing and wearing sunglasses made of acrylic.

And good to see Peter Garrett protesting in daytime with lights on.
 

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Victorian government just posted their official CO2 factor for 2025. Its exactly the same as it was in 2024.
My take is that they have been using hardly any gas , and preferring coal, probably due to cost. ( Gas is crazy expensive right now).

Gas has less than half the CO2/kwh than Brown Coal. Probably less than 1/3.
 
Cmarsh said:
Why are they protesting fossil fuel use while in plastic boats derived from fossil fuels?

www.abc.net.au

Climate change protesters arrested as thousands descend on Newcastle Harbour

Several people have been arrested at a climate protest in Newcastle that involved hundreds of activists taking to the city's harbour in canoes and kayaks.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au
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I’m guessing that the boats and kayaks aren’t regarded as a fossil fuels and can be recycled multiple times using heat from renewables.
It’s a bit like a wooden house isn’t regarded as fire wood.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Its not a free car if he's paying a lease.

www.money.com.au

Tesla Model 3 Novated Lease Pricing (Save $1000's)

With a novated lease on a Tesla Model 3, you can save $1,000s in income tax and GST on the price of the vehicles and your running costs. Find out how.
www.money.com.au www.money.com.au

This one is $69 000 over 5 years.
A lot of people include their running costs as part of the lease, its better for tax, but if you are in a position to minimise your costs like you pointed out, you'd be better reducing your lease payments and exclude running costs.

At the end of this one, there is a residual payment of $18 000. To own it you need to pay the residual.

This seems to be pretty typical in the lease industry, and there are cases of people left with a residual of more than the car value. Yep that cute looking Citroen seemed a good idea at the time.

The value of novated leases depends very much on individual circumstances.
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Indeed
The last car I had was under a novated lease where we paid out the residual last year

The residual cost/value of it compared to a 3 year used of same model was quite good in the end. If you don't get that outcome or if you want a different car at lease end probably not always going to be the best option
There's also tax, income, how much you use it considerations which as you point out will be markedly different for individuals
 
Power Raid said:
1) fast chargers destroy the useful lives of batteries
2) This is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is amortising an entire car that has a battery capable of 1,000 to 2,000 full cycles, for a energy storage devise and a purpose it is not well designed for (control systems for this purpose are very different)
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1. Myth … new 500 kw Tesla super chargers being built now to catch up to battery tech. 8 year warranty on most batteries . Life4 batteries 4000+ Cycles… Nimc batteries have not problem 10%- 80% fast charging.

2. More BS….

You really need to catch up on the technology.
 
nut said:
1. Myth … new 500 kw Tesla super chargers being built now to catch up to battery tech. 8 year warranty on most batteries . Life4 batteries 4000+ Cycles… Nimc batteries have not problem 10%- 80% fast charging.

2. More BS….

You really need to catch up on the technology.
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The fact is , if you buy a car, and you use it to feed into the grid, the car maker can say that was not the design purpose and declare the warranty void.
 
nut said:
Well with the savings he is making, he considers it a free Car.
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He's paying for an electric vehicle , then claiming it costs him nothing because he's spending less on servicing and fuel than he would on an internal combustion engine car.
Neither of you are good at maths are you?
 
SaintsSeptember said:
The fact is , if you buy a car, and you use it to feed into the grid, the car maker can say that was not the design purpose and declare the warranty void.
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that’s incorrect …. Here is one company supporting vehicle to grid…. Nissan …


www.nissan.com.au

Sustainability

www.nissan.com.au www.nissan.com.au

THE FACT IS ….. every EV company is incorporating V2G…. Its in the software.
The companies that dont will go broke like legacy car makers that are sticking to ICE.
 
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SaintsSeptember said:
He's paying for an electric vehicle , then claiming it costs him nothing because he's spending less on servicing and fuel than he would on an internal combustion engine car.
Neither of you are good at maths are you?
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The savings from his electric car is paying 90% of his lease… is this too much for you to understand?
 

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