The war against renewable energy

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

Base load is bullocks… 11 year old article..

Baseload power is a myth: even intermittent renewables will work

www.unsw.edu.au

Baseload is defined as the minimum level of DEMAND. It is real and exists and will always exist.

NSW, for example, has a baseload demand of 6,500MW.

 

[nut]

Agree. Money would be better spent on a huge decentralised battery network rather than large hydro storage.

There is definitely a place for pumped hydro.
Gas turbines that can eventually use hydrogen is also a great option.
To make hydrogen you currently need a lot of energy… something we will have with excess solar and wind 90% of the time.. So the idea would be to make hydrogen while sun shines and wind blows.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Agree. Money would be better spent on a huge decentralised battery network rather than large hydro storage.

To me it gets tricky to know what electricity will be available at any given time.

 

[swingdog]

‘Rising star’: Europe made more electricity from solar than coal in 2024

Report reveals solar power generated 11% of Europe’s electricity, surpassing coal at 10%

www.theguardian.com

 

[SaintsSeptember]

‘Rising star’: Europe made more electricity from solar than coal in 2024

Report reveals solar power generated 11% of Europe’s electricity, surpassing coal at 10%

www.theguardian.com

Oh and more Nuclear than Coal and Solar combined. Wind making inroads on Gas.

 

[nut]

Oh and more Nuclear than Coal and Solar combined. Wind making inroads on Gas.

And solar and wind combined producing more than nuclear.
Storage will see this trend continuing.

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

There is definitely a place for pumped hydro.
Gas turbines that can eventually use hydrogen is also a great option.
To make hydrogen you currently need a lot of energy… something we will have with excess solar and wind 90% of the time.. So the idea would be to make hydrogen while sun shines and wind blows.

Given the cost of hydro only goes up, I'd scrap the idea of hydro and pump that money into wind, solar and storage and new gas turbines (replace the aging crap ones we have)

 

[nut]

Given the cost of hydro only goes up, I'd scrap the idea of hydro and pump that money into wind, solar and storage and new gas turbines (replace the aging crap ones we have)

That’s pretty much labor’s plan.
Snowy 2 was an LNP policy

 

[PiCkLeJuiCe]

That’s pretty much labor’s plan.
Snowy 2 was an LNP policy

.....and the ALP's plan in QLD

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Given the cost of hydro only goes up, I'd scrap the idea of hydro and pump that money into wind, solar and storage and new gas turbines (replace the aging crap ones we have)

Stratford Power Station - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Whirinaki Power Station - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Construction of the Stratford Gas Turbine Plant, a 200 MW power station, was completed on what is now the Stratford Power Station site in June 1976.[1] It comprised four 50 MW units, each a Pratt and Whitney TwinPak of two FT4 gas turbines. The FT4 engine is the stationary version of the Pratt & Whitney JT4 aircraft engine.

In 1993, the Environment Minister Simon Upton established a board of inquiry under the Resource Management Act to hear the application for a resource consent for Electricity Corporation of New Zealand's (ECNZ) proposed 400 megawatt Stratford power station in Taranaki.[2] The scheme was known as the Taranaki Combined Cycle (TCC) project.

In February 1995, the board of inquiry concluded that the station's operation would significantly increase New Zealand's emissions of carbon dioxide and make it more difficult for the Government to meet its obligation to reduce the emission of greenhouse gases to their 1990 levels as committed to under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

In 2005, it was sold to International Power and Mitsui & Co Ltd[1] who onsold the plant to Snowy Hydro

The Taranaki Combined Cycle (TCC) power station consists of one 377 MW combined cycle unit, based on a GT26 gas turbine in single shaft configuration. Cooling is by a mechanical draft cooling tower, using water from the Pātea River. Fletcher Construction started construction in 1996 and it was commissioned in 1998.[6] It was purchased by Contact Energy in 2003.


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Have they improved global emissions by decommissioning their inefficient 1970's jet engines and putting in an efficient combined cycle turbine?

I say NO. If they had destroyed the old ones they might have, but they sold them to flogs in Australia who continue to use them. Making them not NZ anymore won't help a "global" crisis.

These things are a disgrace. They would have been a good choice in 1964.

https://watermark.silverchair.com/v001t01a008-64-gtp-8.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAABH4wggR6BgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggRrMIIEZwIBADCCBGAGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMMNUJVemnF6q0yYcGAgEQgIIEMQMAI3hw8Mxw1VhgGBwZVj8-mUEHou-WnY0QuvDjofufh4GhDRFpZBfg1csIETTQJr6wUvCwPNo-x0O8-XZpErllpzoj9QGcM23DrLckSp52va04vrY-WLGIC4QMaz5T4GX9sretxSUMgOg66MYaKWCjl5Yeq9aJBr7W_hC7FHVe037_Nz7-15hYqc9p5kdSNniYgZuul4M_nYuQ9HxelPRtO3mhZLPmdOaB-kOALweUww9a2qD5ZIPcLN_xT1QytnauVgDsAqrQv1WpLyPxIUKlQQ2P8atKNfM3DMyydoLsLygvdLUgL_RHFGCSXs3qJvLzdWr1QCzIbZPS2Vd0OUBCi9xCbAePL0eijKcHDCIF_sRHm1IOLJwJqUSeuXRkxOi31IUF9H8A1nhopX87qw8f6-6cldqYfzEq1JgnxbvMoIlRvaEQkAEWcQVKzRNBsPBbBPQx4kjaz6HVEeImMqJVNyx4N4T_sEuVtcg18sNdhueiWt7kn-U-vbM8bvL5bIPxem9cC53RpaQkXGk8bzkxmxIosCANOQGrYvpR6WGQd2PqZw1Pmso0HG_zAtfVOMs2ijPpURXj_udrHR1wYof_o4x_hsiLOEvcOGXFBVBhxFWId3M_rnQikjUM700yKbItF_TsCDiEe6VxYpirETj4ZyCga8koqK45b8bPO0kK7KIWfXGATNQ5hLD6POcs4TFqccwpNRmt_Vmdvme6cnoAEn1NZZGwGCAq-7OTkhL2oToNsY9wa14HxXopkEsBBoZ47RQnlK6mkWFTpHegVIwd66QfOEV2A01ILohhGCO9W3IaE33NPS3R2Wi6JJf4zGnNQdgNb-jFkjUvwlf3fsyIJr_-t-r2w8OD_uAnu1-LVVzbwSNbGgFvCuVtwinkig-adT41_dGH2FY3zErhZzUDgoIHLGlFyrQys3DWJYbGb63frNID0LeyBXDHH_8kpXtfIx5A8pwspmrOgIJgkCfVoiqOQr9J0AKTIPlQYv0M_vwBWZL7ifNW17NAlBiFSsxMYhYC3f1unDdE7unX_BOOzhgPUWBUA0S10oThd2FvqvoSn2w8Bevh1DSsoRwhJFxiQWDSe3zq8TqAPZm1AVJsZCrUvZNBZpVG4Fj3q_C-5ZRa_J9-ml-IpbsS1tGO_0vf77bS19Plz6OdncWvHC2nNrRmDLqOXarCBMAm-eNotyV9YM92Vl094rcwlxWmASuBGPMdhUNVLUEy-yFK4CFqFwYNDtos9Wa8lRCY4PtTSQ1YiFPIAXrpv75PUdZrba98cesNi1TCbCpJCPEzSt6gngGiBqoqcGjWaFkxF5Bkh6Ur4Czm-G6Bx4k_a2VNf_GFFc2TAsKVck_UvxaV6z94GbSXm2tJhzcfcNOMDUwAB8gHSalmxqaFiT0LXzejcPiagBSYB4JhpPozPSzridHd

 

[SaintsSeptember]

That’s pretty much labor’s plan.
Snowy 2 was an LNP policy

The finished cost of Snowy II will provide cheaper storage than the cost of Lithium Batteries to be installed by the time Snowy starts providing electricity.

 

[DaRick]

You clearly have NFI how Queenslanders think. We don’t think like you inner city metro folk. Outside of inner Brisbane and particularly through the regions the majority of QLDers see coal as king. The renewable strategy has not had the buy in you believe in QLD. I know in my region many have removed solar panels from their homes. It’s a totally different thought bubble here

What electorate do you live in?

Inner-city Brisbane is different from the suburbs, which is different from the coal/LNG belt (Flynn/Dawson/Capricornia), which differs from the far north (Leichardt).

I don't think Dutton loses Dickson FWIW. That rural/semi-rural element (Samford) always saves his bacon. He's apparently not so popular in Strathpine or Arana Hills.

 

[DaRick]

So why since the sir Joh days have you had mainly labor state govts, but gone a long way to imposing LNP federally

Qld seems to have split personality disorder

Queenslanders have permanent interests, not permanent friends.

Outside of Brisbane, those interests definitely align with the LNP (coal).

As I've said, there are multiple Queenslands.