Maybe you dont understand the concept of free agency.
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Maybe you dont understand the concept of free agency.
Richmond have a salary cap like everybody else
And fre agency or not, players will leave the Suns if they arent run well
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Neither of those are relevant to my point. You think salary cap is enough to ensure that players want to go to all clubs equally?
Put it another way: If you don’t think there’s a problem with the one of the top 5 players in th competition going to a premiership side, via a system that was advertised as a way for peripheral players to move to a place where they’ll get a game, then I don’t know what else to say.
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Duh. I understand the concept. My point is: it makes the stronger clubs stronger and the weaker clubs weaker.
Ie, I just don’t like it.
Capiche?
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Don’t come crying to me when Richmond smash us next time.
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You do realise there was a system before free agency?
It’s not a weather system - something you can’t change.
Good players going to good clubs has been happening for a long time.
Doesn’t really matter how they get there. They get there and the club that lands them has to fit them in their salary cap.
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"Good players going to good clubs has been happening for a long time."
So you think free agency hasn't changed anything?
Just come out and say you like free agency, if you do. And you like it more than what came before - though that would contradict the idea that it makes no difference, which you seem to be gripping on to like a dead man to the bible.
So yes, there is such a thing as the salary cap. Yes if regulates how much you can pay your players. None of that changes my original point -- free agency has changed things for the worse.
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I can't remember what program I saw it on, but they showed the free agency stats and I'm 99 percent certain that the vast majority of FA players actually went to lower placed teams not necessarily in a premiership window.
I'm not denying Richmond got a top rated player during a pretty good flag window, but we have seen a lot of good players go to lower to middling teams and no one bats an eyelid but as soon as a star wants to go to a bigger club, oh boy.
Sun are ****ed though ey.
Anyone else hear Caro on the radio today. She thinks the AFL must protect the SUNS from powerful clubs stripping their talent from this year on. Says the AFL must block any players from leaving the SUNS and that they must be given extra cap space to be able to keep players.
Now which big AFL team just poached a bona fide star FF from the SUNS? That's right Caro...shut the gate after YOUR HORSE has bolted!
Now which big AFL team just poached a bona fide star FF from the SUNS? That's right Caro...shut the gate after YOUR HORSE has bolted!
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That’s interesting (I’d be interested in you remember) though the ones I recall are all the best players: all those players the Hawks got, etc.
The thing to factor in is where the best players end up. And whether all up the stronger clubs end up stronger. That’s what the latest expert on the podcast ‘Trends’ suggests and it’s held up if you look at the EPL, etc.
Anyone else remember Norths 1975 team under the "10 year rule" brought in by then VFL president (and former North player and official) Alan Aylett? Clubs have been orchestrating premiership coups for years (some better than others)
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Yeah I'd have to look it up... Well I'd have to remember what to look up first.
I'm not going to argue in regards to the EPL because the strongest played almost certainly go to the strongest clubs.
I will say though we have seen some big names go to bigger clubs and while they have performed well, it hasn't really brought them the ultimate success, then we have seen some smaller names go to smaller clubs and have had an instant impact. I don't really think that the gulf in ability in the Afl is as big as it is in the EPL.
I was going to mention Brisbane as a positive for FA but did they even get any of their crop from the last 2 or 3 years through FA?
Regardless I am certain that the stats showed that the vast majority of players moving through FA whether they are stars or not, tend to end up at clubs rated below their previous one. Again, I need to actually find proof of that, but maybe AFL FA is an anomaly.
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No. I'm only 27.
What was the go there? Or what should I search to read up on it?
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I’d suggest free agency played a massive role in the Hawks success. And it think we’ll see Richmond win and n the back of Lynch this year. Of course it’s not a substitute for a good team and game plan. But still, it’s more a matter of the overall trend.
Stkilda and north can’t attack big players, the Suns have lost them like a blood from a decapitated man. They all want to go to the Haws, us, Richmond, Essendon and (any minute now) Carlton.
Not sure about Brisbane. They’ve done well though. Smart recruiting strategies will always play a role too.
Aylett (along with Ron Joseph-North power broker) orchestrated a system where any player who had played 10 years at any club could automatically move to the club of their choice. North offered exorbitant wages and in one season attracted a 100 goal full forward (Doug Wade from Geelong), two VFL Club captains John Rantall and Barry Davis (from South Melb and Essendon respectively) a Brownlow Medal winning ruckman Gary Dempsey from Footscray, A dual premiership player Brent Crosswell from Carlton and a couple of handy interstate recruits Malcolm Blight from SA as well as Barry Cable and Ross Glendenning from WA. They made up the guts of Barassi's superside that won the 1975 and 1977 Grand finals.
The 10 year rule was outlawed a year of so later but the damage was already done!
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Yeah I can't really argue with you there. I still believe the big superstars through FA have done basically sweet FA. It's been the role players and lesser lights. Best example for me would be the benefit that Prestia, caddy and Nank gave us during our premiership year.
Hawks have secured a bevvy of decent players and are arguably further behind than before they got their host of goodies. Essendon have just sort of paddled about the middle. Port saw a benefit but I feel they failed to capitalise on it. Geelong are doing well after getting some good lesser lights. Sydney got a couple bits of gold but haven't actually been able to capitalise on it either.
I won't deny hawks, bombers, tiges and the pies have seen some genuine benefit from FA. But I don't think there has been any reason to think it is reaching EPL levels just yet.
I also like what a few of the smaller teams have done through FA and what they are building to.
I suppose I'm a little confused about it all because yes, some stars have left smaller teams and gone to big teams, but I think more often than not you are better off getting 2 to 4 players on the cheap than spending it on 1 star.
That said, I'd take lynch any day of the week.
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Hahahaha oh wow. Hadn't heard of that before. What a racket.
I knew of those teams. Never knew how they were assembled though. Jeez.
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If only we'd got Lynch! Gah. Tiges have 2 elite key forwards and we don't even have one.
But you're right, it won't reach EPL levels - as long as the salary cap stays in place. Then the big drawcards will be: location, big club, facilities, place on ladder.
On the question of stars V good players -- you're right there in terms of overall team dynamics (you're better a team of B graders than 3 stars and a bunch of Cs. But: once you have a top 4 team, if you can add stars, that's when it really pays off.
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Oh for sure. A star or two never hurts in that situation.
What do you reckon about Patton to the pies? Risky, but I reckon it could work. Could.
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I reckon it's exactly what we need -- yes he's had the knee injuries, but if his knees are ok (I mean, we have Shazz in the same situation), definitely. We could pick him up for not much and he was a future champion. We could turn him around like the Hawks have done with O'Meara. Anyway, we HAVE to trade for a key position forward since we have none in the VFL coming through.
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Exactly what the Pies need is another player with severe injury riddled history!
Reid, Moore and Patton as a spine.
But not the same games though of course!
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LOL. The twang triplets!
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Recruit a player with 3 knee reconstructions when the list is overloaded with chronically injured players? No thanks.
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