The Worsfold coaching situation mega-thread, now 3 times as mega!

[Keys]

Voss>Worsfold.

Write Michael Voss off at your own peril, he made some errors a year ago but his list wasn't that strong. He'll have Brisbane up the ladder again in no time.

Jesus wept

If Worsfold pulled the same shit as Voss did at the end of last year with the repercussions that flowed into this year I would hate to see the meltdown you'd be having.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Are you for real?

Voss has brought that club to it's knees. West Coast and Brisbane both finished bottom four. In addition however, Brisbane lost Rischitelli, Brennan and Sherman and disgruntled many senior players who may leave next year including Clarke. Yet, WC are in a superior drafting position.
Voss went from 6th to 13th after multiple trade failures and the incorrrect assumption that the club was ready to challenge for a premiership. (Worsfold timed his tradings to perfection)
Inherited Fevola who troubled the club with his gambling problems and his sexual misconduct is already affecting the club's culture.
I could go on and on.

Worsfold summary stacks up very well. West Coast are on the up, Brisbane are heading down the ladder.

Source?

At least Voss got Brisbane to the finals in 2009.

 

[ScreaM.]

And will now have them sitting at the bottom for a while.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Jesus wept

If Worsfold pulled the same shit as Voss did at the end of last year with the repercussions that flowed into this year I would hate to see the meltdown you'd be having.

Yeah he made a mistake but it's not like we a in a far superior position to them is it? our own coaches poor coaching, team selection etc hasn't got us anywhere in 3 years.

 

[sammyg77]

You are spot on.

Paul Roos and the rest of Australia thought Woosh was an idiot and too suborn to change his game plan, then the moves he made in the 06 GF were so out of character they were genius.

Its laughable the people knocking Worsfold and his tactics. Of course he hid all those moves. He learnt it from Malthouse..............NEVER, EVER SHOW YOUR CARDs!!!!

He is a Malthouse clone......His contempt for the media, the way we play down the wings and flanks, the focus of defense and backing his players to the hilt.

Worsfold needs another year or two with this group. He aint no dummy and will coach the team to better times. Its an awful transition and one which many teams have gone through but our problems arent because of the coach.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Yeah he made a mistake but it's not like we a in a far superior position to them is it? our own coaches poor coaching, team selection etc hasn't got us anywhere in 3 years.

Poor decisions - the synergy with our own club in 2000 are startling

6 years after the flag with some aging stars - the club decides to top up with discards from other clubs

We added Merenda, Sierakowski, Harding, Collica, Taylor and Prior

Brisbane added Raines, Maguire, Buchanon, Clarke, Fevola and Staker

Both were unmitigated disasters

The difference between us and Brisbane is we haven't signed a range of players to 3 and 4 year deals on money that is forcing decent players out of the club.

 

[Keys]

Yeah he made a mistake but it's not like we a in a far superior position to them is it? our own coaches poor coaching, team selection etc hasn't got us anywhere in 3 years.

He's lost Henderson, Bradshaw, Rischatelli, Brennan, Sherman and nearly lost Clark for not much more than a 30 year forward with behavioural issues and a fat salary.

You had a sook because we only got pick 86 for McKinley

Yet you quite happily rate Voss over Worsfold

 

[Ochre]

He's lost Henderson, Bradshaw, Rischatelli, Brennan, Sherman and nearly lost Clark for not much more than a 30 year forward with behavioural issues and a fat salary.

You had a sook because we only got pick 86 for McKinley

Yet you quite happily rate Voss over Worsfold

we could've traded McKinley for Ablett and Judd and sdb would still say he did shit

 

[Pat_Footy]

Fevola's salary has obviously upset many players. Clark, Black, Power and Drummond were all rumoured to be miffed/wanting pay rises.

Brisbane may yet lose more players next season.

This Fevola trade WILL go down as one of the worst trades of all time...

 

[The Falcon Strike]

and before getting tarnished with being blind to all things negative on worsfold - being better than Voss isn't exactly an achievement

 

[CursoryMercenary]

and before getting tarnished with being blind to all things negative on worsfold - being better than Voss isn't exactly an achievement

Despite his trade blunder, Voss has had better results than Worsfold in 2009 and 2010. He'll build Brisbane into a great side in a couple years, whereas I can't see Worsfold doing that.

 

[Keys]

You've got no ****ing idea.

Ahh Jeopardy

If that's the answer then the question must be "What do you say to a blind reindeer?"

 

[Quinz]

Despite his trade blunder, Voss has had better results than Worsfold in 2009 and 2010. He'll build Brisbane into a great side in a couple years, whereas I can't see Worsfold doing that.

I can't see Worsfold coaching Brisbane at all tbh.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Despite his trade blunder, Voss has had better results than Worsfold in 2009 and 2010. He'll build Brisbane into a great side in a couple years, whereas I can't see Worsfold doing that.

i don't know on what premise you can say that.

one has a track record of turning a shambolic list into a premiership team

the other doesn't. Voss took the shortcut and it failed completely.

Worsfold may or may not have gone stale with our club - but to argue that Voss's record is within cooee of Worsfold's is ridiculous.

In 2010 it took 5+ goal hauls from J Brown to win a game - when he was injured - they lost.

There's not many clubs in the AFL that WC are in a better position than - bt Brisbane is one of them

 

[CursoryMercenary]

I can't see Worsfold coaching Brisbane at all tbh.

Funny

 

[Skypra]

Worsfold > Voss

Worsfold started off with a shit list and turned it into a premeirship side. While crazy Vossy has turned a good list into a side that will be sitting at the bottom for at least the next 3-5 years.

 

[CursoryMercenary]

Voss will still be in charge at Brisbane in a years time whilst Worsfold won't be at West Coast, the club won't accept 4 years out of finals and only 20 or so wins in that time and that's all I have to say on the matter.

 

[Masto]

Woosh is a better coach than Voss and has the runs on the board. I just worry that he has gone stale, burnt out or no longer has the passion or hunger to put in the hard yards. Still, whatever happens, coaching our club for a decade to 6 final series, 2 grand finals and a premiership is a magnificent achievement. Right SD?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Voss will still be in charge at Brisbane in a years time whilst Worsfold won't be at West Coast, the club won't accept 4 years out of finals and only 20 or so wins in that time and that's all I have to say on the matter.

That may very well be the case, though I expect Voss would be a little nervous.

That doesn't prove your point that Voss is a better coach than Worsfold.

At the end of 2008, Sheedy had been sacked as Essendon coach while Terry Wallace was still coaching Richmond. Does that make Wallace a better coach than Sheedy? Hardly.

 

[omarlittle1]

So because Worsfold made those disgracefull comments "in response to a question" they are not relevent and don't count. Can you tell us what the question was and why, if the answer was in response to this question, it somehow mitigates the arrogance, contempt and conceit it is full of? That was the moment Worsfold showed his true colours towards the members. They treat us with contempt. Where have Worsfold and Nisbett been since the end of the home and away season? Anybody heard from them? If this was a less well off club the coach and chief exec would be out there communicating with members and telling us what the plan is.

Where does this "Worsfold rejected a contract extension" rumour come from? Is it substantiated in detail and from a credible source somewhere? Or is it just a rumour started on BF that has festered into fact. I would find it basically impossible to believe that any coach or player would turn down a longer contract in favour of a shorter one. Unless the long contract had stipulations and conditions they didn't like, such as maybe a large performance based component, and so they negotiated a shorter term but more fixed price contract as a compromise.

There is no way Worsfold turned down a longer contract. If he says he did he is just bulll****ing. Just like he BS'ed several times this year trying to claim to be unconcerned about his job and happy to walk away if the club asks when the reality is, from what i have heard from several Perth journos this year, he and his manager were actively and desperately lobbying power brokers all year and shoring up support for him to continue in 2011 and at one point were asking for a written guarantee that he would see out his contract. He wasn't "comfortable with where it's at" and "unconcerned" at all. He was very concerned about his job. That was all an act for teh public and media and i am sure we will see it again next season.

Ok mate. I can tell you right now that the rejection of the 3 year contract is true. My uncle was on the board of the WC for a very long time and now presides on the WAFC board. And he has told me that Woosha did indeed knock back that extension.

Has he been lobbying to keep his job for next year? Probably I don't know for sure but even if he has does it really matter? Is there anything wrong with him wanting to see his contract out so he can try and impliment his game plan and try and get what he can out of the young players he clearly rates?

Look I'm not an overly pro woosha guy, I think he has made some terrible mistakes but the fact is the guy has also done some pretty damn fine things for our club and deserves at least to see out his contract. I think we and the club owe him that.

However the information I've been getting is the real cancer is Sumich. Apparently he is the one who is conservative and will not change anything. And unfortunately Woosh pretty much relies on Suma as his right hand man and Suma has an awful lot of power and influence over worsfold. From what i have heard the board have tried to suggest many changes to woosh but usually it's suma who won't have a bar of it and gets in woosha's ear and convinces him otherwise. I believe the whole board were really hoping that he would get a senior job elsewhere.

And before you say it, yes that is an much an indicment of woosh as it is on suma but I thought it was kinda interesting that suma has so much power and influence and is so incredibly conservative and stubborn.

 

[kranky al]

Ok mate. I can tell you right now that the rejection of the 3 year contract is true. My uncle was on the board of the WC for a very long time and now presides on the WAFC board. And he has told me that Woosha did indeed knock back that extension.

Has he been lobbying to keep his job for next year? Probably I don't know for sure but even if he has does it really matter? Is there anything wrong with him wanting to see his contract out so he can try and impliment his game plan and try and get what he can out of the young players he clearly rates?

Look I'm not an overly pro woosha guy, I think he has made some terrible mistakes but the fact is the guy has also done some pretty damn fine things for our club and deserves at least to see out his contract. I think we and the club owe him that.

However the information I've been getting is the real cancer is Sumich. Apparently he is the one who is conservative and will not change anything. And unfortunately Woosh pretty much relies on Suma as his right hand man and Suma has an awful lot of power and influence over worsfold. From what i have heard the board have tried to suggest many changes to woosh but usually it's suma who won't have a bar of it and gets in woosha's ear and convinces him otherwise. I believe the whole board were really hoping that he would get a senior job elsewhere.

And before you say it, yes that is an much an indicment of woosh as it is on suma but I thought it was kinda interesting that suma has so much power and influence and is so incredibly conservative and stubborn.

pics or stfu

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

pics or stfu

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

Ok mate. I can tell you right now that the rejection of the 3 year contract is true. My uncle was on the board of the WC for a very long time and now presides on the WAFC board. And he has told me that Woosha did indeed knock back that extension.

Has he been lobbying to keep his job for next year? Probably I don't know for sure but even if he has does it really matter? Is there anything wrong with him wanting to see his contract out so he can try and impliment his game plan and try and get what he can out of the young players he clearly rates?

Look I'm not an overly pro woosha guy, I think he has made some terrible mistakes but the fact is the guy has also done some pretty damn fine things for our club and deserves at least to see out his contract. I think we and the club owe him that.

However the information I've been getting is the real cancer is Sumich. Apparently he is the one who is conservative and will not change anything. And unfortunately Woosh pretty much relies on Suma as his right hand man and Suma has an awful lot of power and influence over worsfold. From what i have heard the board have tried to suggest many changes to woosh but usually it's suma who won't have a bar of it and gets in woosha's ear and convinces him otherwise. I believe the whole board were really hoping that he would get a senior job elsewhere.

And before you say it, yes that is an much an indicment of woosh as it is on suma but I thought it was kinda interesting that suma has so much power and influence and is so incredibly conservative and stubborn.

Even if i were to accept your assertion that your uncle is on the board and told you this (and as this is BF and to me you are just another poster on here i usually don't take posts like this seriously) there is still no detail there. Only the people involved would know the fine print of the contracts passed between the parties.

But i maintain (and this is not an indictment on Worsfold as every human being in this position would do the same thing) that if Worsfold did indeed take a shorter contract than he could of i would be almost certian that it was as a compromise position as there were stipulations and conditions in the longer contract. For example, maybe he would only get half the money if the eagles didn't make the finals. Maybe there was a clause that the 2nd and/or 3rd years of the deal were contingent upon certain KPI's being met in year 1 or 2.

Why on earth would anybody in Worsfold's position take a 2 year deal instead of 3 years if there were no other differences between the two offers? Only people involved would know but i say it's highly unlikely that there was some fine print involved in the longer contract or some KPI's that Worsfold did not want to agree to so they settled on a flat 2 years with no fine print as a compromise.

And your right, if Sumich is a problem then that is an indictment on Worsfold. But to me that smacks of more attempts to divert blame away from Worsfold from the usual suspects. I mean, Sumich doesn't even want to be there. He is looking for another job.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

But i maintain (and this is not an indictment on Worsfold as every human being in this position would do the same thing) that if Worsfold did indeed take a shorter contract than he could of i would be almost certian that it was as a compromise position as there were stipulations and conditions in the longer contract. For example, maybe he would only get half the money if the eagles didn't make the finals. Maybe there was a clause that the 2nd and/or 3rd years of the deal were contingent upon certain KPI's being met in year 1 or 2.

That was actually suggested in one article I found when I was looking for the quote about Worsfold not wanting to take the third year. I'll see if I can find it again.

 

[Geoffe_Miles]

That was actually suggested in one article I found when I was looking for the quote about Worsfold not wanting to take the third year. I'll see if I can find it again.

Even if you find the article it's not going to tell the whole story of if there were other differences between the contracts besides just time length. It's not going to tell us what was in the fine print. We are not necessarily comparing apples with apples here. Time length is only one variable in a contract.

The eagles are cagey when it comes to contracts. Apparently Lynch hasn't signed that one year deal we offered him yet and is still sniffing around at other clubs hoping for an offer but the eagles won't confirm or deny it to the media that he hasn't signed.