Tippett Nominates Sydney

[bombermick]

What's the Tippett thinking here? He's what 25?

He's moving from a team on the ascent - with a great age profile to a team that has just summitted with 9 players over the age of 28, 7 of whom will be over 30 at this time next year.

Is it really about waking up in Bondi rather than Glenelg? is it the dollars? because I can't fathom a football decision here.

Agree. They could snag another one next year, but should then be overtaken. GC would have been wiser.

 

[MrPresident]

Few tweets going round to suggest some Sydney players not happy.

Don't bother listening to that rubbish speculation. Our players are more professional than that. Can people really imagine the likes of Goodes or ROK storming into the offices chucking a tantrum?

 

[crownie]

So crows supporters are bagging his ability yet want a decent Sydney player for him in return

 

[dread and might]

True; Tippet himself was pick 32, but there is a lot more luck involved, particularly these days as the thoroughness of recruiters increases.

Secondly, you might be lucky and get good solid players with mid range picks, but superstars that far down are rare. You don't get a Hodge, Franklin, or Dangerfield with pick 20. Goodes is the exception, not the rule.

Not on the same level as those players ATM obviously but Hannebery Pick 30...

 

[sbenno]

How much did we get for a contracted Premiership player in Jolly who was at the time vital to the team structure?

Do you want me to reply to that twice?

I don't know how much you got for Jolly, but it's irrelevant. This is a different situation.

 

[Macca19]

You can bedgrudge him - the Crows gave him his chance in football, have overpaid him for the entire time he's been with them then he strings them along all season with the threat to go home to Queensland and now wants to go to the club who have the least to offer in trade. Absolutely disgusting the way he's treated the Crows.

You cant blame Tippett for Adelaide choosing to overpay him probably double what his actual output would be to ensure they kept him last time.

I'd actually say this is the best case scenario for the Crows. They lose a player who is drastically over paid, doesnt deliver on the field anywhere near often enough, free up $800k+ in the salary cap, probably gain either a 'needs' player in Grundy or a good young player as well as a draft pick, they have plug'n'play blokes ready to go who near dominated in the SANFL this year in Jenkins, Johnston & Lynch and they can now hit trade week with a shitload of salary cap space.

They could, and should, come out of this in a few weeks time in a significantly better list position.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Adelaide won't accept any of these

They might have a choice. He has said he is leaving, they won;t want him to come back, so they might have to take a lessor option otherwise he can walk to Gold Coast for free in the pre-season draft. Not ideal for him, but not a bad second option

 

[bumsonseats]

I think the people you are listening to are somewhat delusional if they think Jetta is trade bait.

White, TDL and Seaby, maybe Parker, but surely not those three.

The most sensible suggestion I have seen thus far is pick 22 plus Luke Parker.
But all of this is nothing more than BF speculation.......so take of it what you will.
I am sure Sydney will come up with a fair trade.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

I wouldn't be either if I was them. They win a flag and they look to buy another player on more cash than the premiership players?? Interesting move and seems to go against the culture sydney has developed

Dont think culture should have anything to do with it. To get Tippett they need to pay over the odds and if theyve got the cash in the cap then thats what they need to do to get the deal over the line. Sometimes you need to be ruthless to ensure your clubs success and thats what theyve done here

 

[MrPresident]

The Gunston miss was simply poetic justice. It was hilarious. But you're right, its wrong to single him out as costing you the flag, just as its wrong to single buddy out. Tbh you probably didn't deserve to be there given the notorious umpiring in the prelim. You seem to lack clutch players who thrive under pressure.

As for retaining players, i am very happy that all our actual guns re-signed this year. I personally never wanted to keep $kirt for close to a mill a year. There is no way known he is worth that. He came 15th or something in our B&F, why should he get more money than Tex, Danger or Sloaney just because he is a selfish prima donna who holds the club to ransom and can't look them in the eye and be honest about his intentions. And tbh, all the players we have lost eg gunston are the same. The douches leave us in the lurch yet we get stronger because we are a tighter team without them. $kirt is the last of them. Le Douche finale.

I think we have learnt our lesson and have started to look down on drafting unreliable urban metro types from the east coast. Country lads like Crouch are the way forward. Sydney have got a shit bloke coming there way and I for one am happy he is gone.

If you want him gone that badly it would help everybody involved if you called up your club. Make sure you include the words "shit bloke" and "not a gun". That way we get him for a fair trade reflecting his shittyness as a person and his lack of talent as a footballer.

 

[SM]

Do you want me to reply to that twice?

I don't know how much you got for Jolly, but it's irrelevant. This is a different situation.

How? I'm demonstrating that deluded fans' ideas of the worth of a wantaway player has no influence on the actual trade.

 

[sbenno]

So crows supporters are bagging his ability yet want a decent Sydney player for him in return

I'm certainly not bagging his ability; he was a required player at Adelaide, and came within a bee's proverbial of winning us a prelim final.

 

[JF_Bay_22_SCG]

Born in Sydney. Raised on the Gold Coast right?

I saw Teddy Richard keep him completely kickless RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME at Footy Park! RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME! :-D

To me he may well complicate our forward line rather than compliment it. He is a CHF right? So where would Reid play? With Tippett Reid & Goodes possibly Mumford or Pykr down there how would the forwards gel together? Remember what happened at Reid started to develop, Jessie White (who was starting to find himself as a leading tall forward) was left out in the cold & NEVER recovered.

I trust the Swans in their greater judgement. I just don't rate Tippett. Taylopr Walker on the other hand would KILL it at the SCG!

 

[Tas]

What's the deal with clubs wanting to throw perfectly good money at less than good footballers.

If Tippett's worth $800k a year (which there is no way that's ever the case), then Franklin deserves $3 million a year.

Money is not a great gauge of ability. When the average salary is around $250k then Buddy should be getting $3m, but that only works in a system with no salary cap or if there was a star/marquee player system like exists in other sports.

It is much like Melbourne getting the same compensation for Scully as Geelong did for Ablett. You hit the ceiling of value pretty quickly in the AFL, it doesn't mean Scully is comparable in any measure to Ablett, it is just that we have an artificial ceiling on what we can pay and we have an artificial minimum.

 

[dread and might]

Is it really about waking up in Bondi rather than Glenelg? is it the dollars? because I can't fathom a football decision here.

Two pretty good reasons right there.

 

[ok.crows]

Just remember Phil Harper had just came out and said the " Gentlemens Agreement " to send Kurt to the club of his choice would only apply if he were to go home as he had eluded to for the past year. He said if he chose another non QLD club that he would be shopped around for the best offer. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Like Cometti said yesterday the extra money the swans are allocated is for player retention and cost of living allowance. If they are able to win a premiership and then recruit another clubs gun player it defeats the purpose of having the allowance and should be reviewed.

With Tippett nominating a non-QLD club in Sydney, Adelaide do get the ability to shop around for the best offer in trade. In addition, Adelaide now suddenly have a spare $800K in their player budget.

Adelaide finished the minor round second in 2012, missing top by percentage only. They have a young squd and lacked somewhat in experience, especially finals experience. That will be better in 2013. Replacing Tippetts 2012 contribution involves merely a strong contest in marking and 39 goals, so the demands are not that high. In addition, Brad Crouch will be eligible to play in 2013.

There is a golden opportunity here for the right player to step up and get traded to Adelaide. $800K and playing in a team in strong contention for the flag is on offer.

 

[hawkman]

They might have a choice. He has said he is leaving, they won;t want him to come back, so they might have to take a lessor option otherwise he can walk to Gold Coast for free in the pre-season draft. Not ideal for him, but not a bad second option

Those 3 aren't going to help Adelaide win a flag. Might as well try and get an extra draft pick out of Sydney

 

[mattymac]

If you want him gone that badly it would help everybody involved if you called up your club. Make sure you include the words "shit bloke" and "not a gun". That way we get him for a fair trade reflecting his shittyness as a person and his lack of talent as a footballer.

The club are well aware of this, however you are not so we will play you as best we can

 

[bombermick]

So I guess he takes over from Goddard on BF's list of overpaid recruits?

 

[sbenno]

How? I'm demonstrating that deluded fans' ideas of the worth of a wantaway player has no influence on the actual trade.

You posted it twice.

If you're saying that what I want has nothing to do with it, then you're right, this is just BF waffle. Equally, the Jolly trade has nothing to do with it either, except as a gauge as to what we might expect.

I don't think I'm deluded as to Tippett's worth though. If the rumours are true regarding what Tippett is currently being paid, and offered by Sydney, then he's worth quite a lot. he's almost certainly on more money than Jolly.

 

[Outshined]

Tippett's plan to play one of the better games of his career against Hawthorn in the PF has certainly paid off.

 

[ANGEL DARK]

Agree. They could snag another one next year, but should then be overtaken. GC would have been wiser.

With Sydneys recruiting ability in the past i wouldnt say Sydney will be done with after next season. GC are about 5 years off being a top 4 side and thats with a bit of luck so i would say Sydney would be a far better decision to make

 

[Donners]

Adelaide won't accept any of these

Good, then hopefully it'll fall through. I'm far from convinced we need him so badly as to justify giving up a lot for him.

 

[ok.crows]

Not doubting that. Regardless, the talent the Crows have lost over the past two seasons has potential to jeopardise a run at a flag in the not too distant future. All being fair, they should be compensated for Tippett's value. In other words, I hope they don't get shafted.

No reasons why the Crows should get shafted. Because Tippett did not nominate a QLD club, he is not "going home". Therefore, the Crows can shop around for the best deal. The Crows now have $800K spare under their salary cap budget. Tippett could be going anywhere if a good player (sensing an opportunity at Adelaide) is prepared to get traded.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Money is not a great gauge of ability. When the average salary is around $250k then Buddy should be getting $3m, but that only works in a system with no salary cap or if there was a star/marquee player system like exists in other sports.

It is much like Melbourne getting the same compensation for Scully as Geelong did for Ablett. You hit the ceiling of value pretty quickly in the AFL, it doesn't mean Scully is comparable in any measure to Ablett, it is just that we have an artificial ceiling on what we can pay and we have an artificial minimum.

Yup, when Melbourne the team are getting pretty much the same amount of money as the Swans, Hawks, Pies and Adelaide teams, money itself becomes a strange entity. I'm sure I'll hear that the Swans have extra cap, but when that is spread out across the whole side, and they are reportedly paying close to the minimum anyway, it doesn't mean much.

Quite honestly I don't want Tippett at the Swans, and he certainly isn't worth 800k a year (not sure how much our top guys are getting paid, but I can't imagine it being more than that).