I am also NOT Jenny T. Jenny isn't even my real name!
Bloody hell, disillusion piling on disillusion.
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Bloody hell, disillusion piling on disillusion.
As I think back I'm reminded of a case many years ago when Eddo was making his way. Public sector admin hearing in a makeshift hearing room. It was a 40 degree day. The makeshift hearing area was air conditioned however the only waiting area for witnesses was outside. Eddo was defending. There were 3 prosecution witnesses in suits who gave their evidence and Eddo knew he did not want to cross examine any of them. However he indicated that he might need to and refused to allow their release. Those 3 were then made to wait in the heat for 2 hours until it became a health issue and he finally relented and said he would not need them. He just kinda goes that extra step if you get my drift.
I agree, wish it was on TV!!!!
You would be in breach of your professional duties not to (if you had a mere assumption as to their guilt). Read up on the cab rank rule.
Yeah, that pretty much how I remember things. Journo’s are certainly a unique breed, no problem changing opinion or position on a daily basis.
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I think Greg Williams is the only one. He took them to court and won. However, it was overturned on appeal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Williams_(Australian_footballer)
Without reading through 800+ pages - is the general concensus on this board that Trigg should step down? I just can't see how anyone can argue any different?
I wouldn't be surprised if the board demands his resignation prior to the hearing to try and seem pro-active in an attempt to lessen the whack that Commission has in store for the Club. Better to jump than be pushed...
I wouldn't be surprised if the board demands his resignation prior to the hearing to try and seem pro-active in an attempt to lessen the whack that Commission has in store for the Club. Better to jump than be pushed...
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so that's no then, I am now satisfied that ALL parties, most notably miss Tippett will be sanctioned, the crux of the hearing is how badly...
if the session on Monday is an 'informal hearing', I think this means the AFL Commission will be giving each side a chance to present their version of events and the Commission members then asking 'fact finding' questions. I don't think there will be any cross-examination of witnessess by the various lawyers.
Once the Commission settles on 'the facts', there would be another hearing to decide penalties.
Basically, informal hearing = kangaroo court ....... no actual rules to restrict the Commssion conducting it how it likes.
Once the Commission settles on 'the facts', there would be another hearing to decide penalties.
Basically, informal hearing = kangaroo court ....... no actual rules to restrict the Commssion conducting it how it likes.
Crows will get off. Slap on the wrist/warning. The media have raised the spinnaker and really run with this.
But what else are they gonna do? Controversy, gossip, innuendo.
This is paradise for the likes of Caro and Rucci.
I must say, I've had great fun teasing all my crow buddies about this,
but it's gonna amount to nothing.
But what else are they gonna do? Controversy, gossip, innuendo.
This is paradise for the likes of Caro and Rucci.
I must say, I've had great fun teasing all my crow buddies about this,
but it's gonna amount to nothing.
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Im sure both QC's will get (demand) ample opportunity to interject and claim their client's innocence.
My gut feeling is that he will resign (as it has been opined, that he has all ready offerred to). Whether to be pro-active and admit to the increasing gravity of the offences or to wait, indicating the clubs belief in lowering or negating the gravity of the offences is anyones guess! Six of one, half a dozen of the other.
So what you are saying is the guy is a prick? Yeah wish I had him representing my Club.
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It has generally just been Jenny defending Trigg, but she apparently knows him personally so it is understandable that she would stick up for a mate.
I suggest you read the 'It's time to go Trigg!' thread for a rough, but more succinct guide to what forum posters think about Trigg.
Personally I still don't understand how he hasn't at least been asked to step down pending the outcome of the investigation. Guilty or innocent (and I think the former is much more likely, it just depend on 'how guilty' if that makes any sense), it seems dumb for him to have continued as AFC CEO while this has played out.
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You can probably pay for him for an hour, but then you might need to sell some equiptment. Or have Westhoff become a lady of the night
It's really interesting to see that the two sides have adopted opposite strategies.
Tippett camp: making their case in the media, mouthing vague threats of further legal action, trying to intimidate the AFL by suggesting they may not accept 'the verdict' and could take it to court.
AFC: openly stated they will accept the AFL's verdict.
Which will prove to be the best strategy?
(I think the AFL will be intimidated by Tippett's approach and go light on him, and throw the book at us.....because they can. Hope I am wrong.)
Tippett camp: making their case in the media, mouthing vague threats of further legal action, trying to intimidate the AFL by suggesting they may not accept 'the verdict' and could take it to court.
AFC: openly stated they will accept the AFL's verdict.
Which will prove to be the best strategy?
(I think the AFL will be intimidated by Tippett's approach and go light on him, and throw the book at us.....because they can. Hope I am wrong.)
Wouldn't you prefer your legal rep to be a bigger prick than your opponents??
Easy for you to say as its does not affect you. If you were in trouble Im sure you would want someone going the extra metre. Im surprised you would question this given the way your club used to play its football.
Unless......unless he is staying on to take one for the club. 'Punish me, not the club, I did it, the club didn't know about it.'
Yes, I know, a pig just flew past my window too.
The defence seems to be shaping as
- we stuffed up with a few minor details
- we tried to correct it
- have mercy on us
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I don't feel the AFL will want to be seen as an organization that get bluffed via the media, especially when it comes to playing using the threat of taking them to court regarding the draft. That is there life line towards equalization and fairness. If a player uses a thread to disrupt that, I feel the AFL will send a very strong message that they have deeper pockets than the player does and will send them to court and more courts and then more courts with injunctions and time outs.
I think Tippett will get a fine and be allowed to enter the PSD. I can not see him getting de-registered.
The Crows will get stripped of draft picks for this year and next year.
I have no idea what will happen to Trigg, Harper and co.
Do you think the fat controller will allow a mere player to try and intimidate his league??
I think he'll go hard on Kurt to show players that you play at the whim of the fat controller and his band of merry men, and don't ever forget it!
AFC by saying we'll cop our punishment is a sensible approach, they're saying we screwed up and we know it and will own it, kurt by saying I was framed, I'm innocent, I was only a wee lad, is saying to the AFL come at me bro and I don't think that will go down well.
There most certainly are rules which conduct this kind of hearing and which override the Commission if they are inconsistent.
That said I really have no idea how it will proceed and wont try and guess
Hey NE, isn't this a light sentence for Tippett and throwing the book at us?
Your predictions don't match your analysis.
My analysis is simple, the AFL is a bully that will succumb when someone stands up to it. We'll know by next week, with the litmus test being whether Tippett is deregistered for a substantial period and Adelaide lose significant draft choices and for how long.
What are those rules though PJ? The rules will be whatever the Commission decides the rules will be.
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Assuming Kurt Tippett is guilty, you would be right, they will bully him. They won't want him challenging them in court. However, I'm not 100% convinced he is entirely guilty but feel the AFL will be very friendly towards him. However, if he is found to be guilty and he does take them to court; the AFL will apply plenty of pressure.
The club and manager should have known better not to take this path and Kurt Tippett's manager should have done a much better job at explaining the legal clauses and ground to his client. So Kurt Tippett should get of scott free but the AFL like most other professional sports isn't a real world environment.
But overall, I have no idea what will happen. I doubt the Adelaide Crows will gain anything out of this but a whole lot of pain and somewhere deep down can see Kurt Tippett ending up in Sydney.
That's not really fair but it's the reality of the AFL. Heck, even Ben Cousins wasn't dealt with that harshly. It's a very player friendly league.
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