To save Fevola or not you decide the outcome.

[Jimthegreat]

Yeah, so you keep saying, as if repetition somehow makes it truer.

No one really knows the exact specifics of how the rules apply. The "Bringing the Game into Disrepute" rule has significant wiggle room.

Also, if the AFL deregister Fevola it won't be for being a "silly drunk", it will be done on the back of long running path of negative behavior that embarrasses the code.

BigFooty is full of lawyers, and they are all over the shop in their analysis of how it could play out.

We know where you stand, so spare us the next 10 repetitions if you can. Can't help but think though that there is a little hope mixed in with your analysis. Just a little bit.

I can be repetitive cause it's true. It's the beauty about being true, you can repeat the same things as the truth is hard to change. I get sick of reading how he will be sacked when even the average dill can work out that it can't happen without significant cost. Called understand the law and the rules properly and not reading newspaper crap.

Think about it, generally he's been for years is a dumb drunk and done dumb things. Hasn't sexually assaulted anyone, bashed anyone, destroyed property, just generally, got drunk, p1ssed on wall, played around with fire hydrants and made a general d1ck of himself on Brownlow night. The Bingle and indecent exposure affairs he was cleared of. They have to be scratched. You can't be guilty of causing a headline that creates a false perception. They have nothing to de-register him on and if they do it'll end up in court and you'd punt on the AFL losing. It's why the AFL threaten alot but often nothing happens as they are tied by the law of the land as much as anyone. They tied by they're own standard contract, which takes things alot more serious than the things Fev's ever done. Even the Lovett sacking cost St.Kilda quite a bit despite what he was charged with. Saints tried but eventually had to to pay up large, negotiated amount. Fev, with a bigger contract, would cost alot more even with a negotiated compromise, that still won't fit under your Cap.

I've been around long enough to understand they system. Get used to it, he's your player for 2 years at 1.7 million, like it or lump it. You've lost a few out of it but, injury free you have a real star.

Tell me I'm wrong!

 

[Distantlion]

Sorry, no. Distantlion (7000 kms away). He's out of control. Keeping him won't help the club and won't solve his problems.

 

[OldLion]

No - never seen a well credentialed player lose form so quickly ( well maybe Jeff Hogg ). Makes Mitch Johnson seem normal. He's miserable - put the footy away and go to a better place.

C'est la vie.

 

[angus BEEF]

Yes. Angus BEEF

 

[dannitori]

Yes. dannitori

 

[chopperduck]

I think he is worth persisting with. I don't think he should be sacked from the list of tiny things he has done since being here. No one has called for the heads of Clark for his ciggy machine incident, no one called for the head of Proud or Jmac and no one has called for the heads of the players from the recent resturant drama.

Yes, i know the difference is that Fev is a repeat offender, but his offenses are minor. The punishment must fit the crime. Fev does need some help, and i would no be against sending him away for 6 months to get on top of this booze problems. Really, this is something that should have been tackled since day 1, instead we tried to manage the problem (sounds very similar to the Brown injury, managed until it got worse instead of pulling stumps and dealing with it).

The one common thing in most of his incidents is booze, he clearly needs to give it up.

 

[leaper]

I am sick of all the apologists for Fevola. He came here with the chance to wipe his slate clean, and contribute to the Lions. He has done neither. Some of his efforts on the playing field last year were embarrasing. I am all for Fev getting his life together, but he needs at least 6 months of rehab to refocus his life. That wipes out this season. We must give him a chance to help himself, but the club is more important than the individual. We must now develop what we have, (Cornelius etc) and hope that the AFL give us some Salary cap relief. We cant afford another disrupted year, we need to financially right our ship, ( those who have looked at our Balance sheet know what I mean). The distraction of Fev, will he or won't he, will not help us. Fev's problems are all of his own making we need to focus on our team.

 

[Brisbane Bare]

..... and the AFL can't de-register him just for being a silly drunk.

Wanna bet?

 

[mickeyblueeyes37]

They can't otherwise there would be no Krakouer or Lovett or Cousin's playing the game cause they would have life time bans.

 

[mickeyblueeyes37]

Just ask Justin Charles for performance enhancing drugs his now a great chef though =)

 

[sisterka]

Yes................with reservations.

 

[BuntonRules]

I am sick of all the apologists for Fevola. He came here with the chance to wipe his slate clean, and contribute to the Lions. He has done neither. Some of his efforts on the playing field last year were embarrasing. I am all for Fev getting his life together, but he needs at least 6 months of rehab to refocus his life. That wipes out this season. We must give him a chance to help himself, but the club is more important than the individual. We must now develop what we have, (Cornelius etc) and hope that the AFL give us some Salary cap relief. We cant afford another disrupted year, we need to financially right our ship, ( those who have looked at our Balance sheet know what I mean). The distraction of Fev, will he or won't he, will not help us. Fev's problems are all of his own making we need to focus on our team.

Gotta agree Leaper. We threw him a lifeline when no-one else would & it has done huge damage to our club. Much as I want to see Fev beat his demons & return to being a drawcard, we are not the Salvation Army. Fevo has been here 1 season & look what has resulted. He has not got the runs on the board as a Lion to have earn't anymore indulgence. Handball him to the AFLPA or something. With our recent performance onfield and off, and the arrival of the Suns, we must go into survival mode or I fear for our future.

If that means releasing non performing, non essential personnell & distractions - so be it. I feel that this line of action will be looked on kindly by Vlad & co. We will be far better off in the future concentrating on our youth - and rewarding them financially as appropriate. Our less committed supporters will be far more tempted to stick with the Lions if they can see a future in youth than the present circus.

Time for Voss to accept the Fev experiment as the unmitigated disaster that it is, and take strong steps to right the ship. IMO that is what the new board wants, and if he won't accept this reality they will find some-one that will.

 

[3KZ is Football]

We didn't throw Fevola a lifeline, we threw him a blank cheque book. That's the most galling thing about this whole Fevola mess. Given that Carlton had sacked him and the fact that no other club wanted him, we held all the aces when it came to determining his salary and we should have given him a deal that was commensurate with his standing in the football world and the demand for him in the marketplace. That way, if he failed to change his behaviour and continued to make a goose of himself, we could cut him loose without any real damage to the club. In fact, doing so under these circumstances would have signalled to the playing group that the club does not tolerate unprofessional behaviour from players.

Instead, Voss, Bowers and Tony Kelly offered him what amounted to a massive deal and put the club in a position where it could and would be damaged if Fevola didn't perform on the field or had behvioural problems off it. Worse, the subsequent pressure on our salary cap has seen players like Richitelli and Brennan leave the club because we can't compete with the sort of offers made by our rivals. There is a real risk that this trend might continue as other clubs start to circle around players like Rich and Clark.

For reasons that I can't understand, Voss, Bowers and Kelly decided to basically go "all in" on Fevola. It was a massive and ill considered gamble which did not pay off on the field in 2010 and with each passing day, seems less likely to do so next season and beyond. At this stage it is impossible to calculate the damage recruiting Fevola has done to the club, but I suggest that it will be considerable, both financially, in terms of our playing list and our standing in the football world.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Spot on KZ, & while the Circus is allowed to continue our current 'standing' will never change. The damage needs to stop now.

 

[Lace Out]

Couldn't decide unless I knew what the pay-out would be(if any) and what was included under the cap(if any) if we were not to save.This is a major determining factor IMO.

 

[maroon and blue]

Yes. Pickers and Hutchy on SEN had some interesting insights on Fev this morn. But I would not be critical if the board decided to let him go. They made the comment that Gubby and co. did not negotiate well with the Blues for him. A round 1 pick plus Lachie Henderson for a player the Blues did not want and no other bidders. Could have got him for much less.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Couldn't decide unless I knew what the pay-out would be(if any) and what was included under the cap(if any) if we were not to save.This is a major determining factor IMO.

Agree entirely.

 

[Bobby Beecroft]

Couldn't decide unless I knew what the pay-out would be(if any) and what was included under the cap(if any) if we were not to save.This is a major determining factor IMO.

This argument confuses me.
People would rather keep him, pay him & risk further damage for another 2 years? (& deep down we know more trouble will happen!!).

Naturally a large payout would be disappointing, but to have him no longer associated with us going forward it is a price I would pay. We need to learn something from Carltons eventual clean brake.

You wonder what the playing group really feel about this Circus? eg. if it meant that Rich & Clark sign extensions as the club is starting to move on, I doubt there would be as many Yes posts here.

 

[Dylan12]

We didn't throw Fevola a lifeline, we threw him a blank cheque book. That's the most galling thing about this whole Fevola mess. Given that Carlton had sacked him and the fact that no other club wanted him, we held all the aces when it came to determining his salary and we should have given him a deal that was commensurate with his standing in the football world and the demand for him in the marketplace. That way, if he failed to change his behaviour and continued to make a goose of himself, we could cut him loose without any real damage to the club. In fact, doing so under these circumstances would have signalled to the playing group that the club does not tolerate unprofessional behaviour from players.

Instead, Voss, Bowers and Tony Kelly offered him what amounted to a massive deal and put the club in a position where it could and would be damaged if Fevola didn't perform on the field or had behvioural problems off it. Worse, the subsequent pressure on our salary cap has seen players like Richitelli and Brennan leave the club because we can't compete with the sort of offers made by our rivals. There is a real risk that this trend might continue as other clubs start to circle around players like Rich and Clark.

For reasons that I can't understand, Voss, Bowers and Kelly decided to basically go "all in" on Fevola. It was a massive and ill considered gamble which did not pay off on the field in 2010 and with each passing day, seems less likely to do so next season and beyond. At this stage it is impossible to calculate the damage recruiting Fevola has done to the club, but I suggest that it will be considerable, both financially, in terms of our playing list and our standing in the football world.

Great post 3KZ...absolutely nothing adds up in this trade and those involved have decimated this footy club for many years. As you rightly said, why we unneccesarily offered or 'gave' Carlton so much is staggering and compounded by agreeing to pay Fevola an extraordinary wage, when all we needed to do was offer a quarter of his current salary. It has made this club look very amateurish, well the previous board and those involved, including Voss, and one can only laugh at what muppets we were to do this trade, considering Fevola's only option of playing footy was with a bush club.

Spot on KZ, & while the Circus is allowed to continue our current 'standing' will never change. The damage needs to stop now.

The sooner this clown is disposed of the better. I only care about the club and the detrimental impact he has had on the club must stop immediately so we have any hope of retaining Rich and Clark. So far the collateral damage of players lost is adding up and the saga simply must stop.

They made the comment that Gubby and co. did not negotiate well with the Blues for him. A round 1 pick plus Lachie Henderson for a player the Blues did not want and no other bidders. Could have got him for much less.

Could have got him for pick 56 and a set of steak knives, but no we practically give Carlton whatever they want and as 3KZ said, give Fevola an open cheque book.

You wonder what the playing group really feel about this Circus? eg. if it meant that Rich & Clark sign extensions as the club is starting to move on, I doubt there would be as many Yes posts here.

I agree, the support this guy generates is absoltely overwhelming, especially after the circus it has created for the club and the amount of up-standing players that have decided to move on as a result of Fevola's acquisition. Our club was in such a good position to continue its development with a good squad at the end of 2009 and Voss and Co washed it all down the drain for what?

 

[mickeyblueeyes37]

The circus in the off season has been going on since 06/07 someone always f's up look at the history over the the last 5 years name one year that someone hasn't done anything over these years cause you cant.

 

[frdkng]

Yes. frdkng - but only if he saves himself that is!

 

[Distantlion]

It could be worse. At least he's not like this man, one of the top footballers in the world..

http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_6648328,00.html

And he has a string of malicious offences behind him.

Fortunately, Aussie Rules doesn't seem to breed this type of person.

Still, Fevola has to go. The club and the code has to restore its reputation in Queensland.

 

[Stocka]

I think the question that we are all wanting to ask is:

MBE, did you send this thread off to the Lions board and what was their response?

 

[KnaveyBlue]

"He messed up for the 100th time, but let's SAVE HIM!"

It's like I'm actually reading the Carlton board during Fev's time at the Blues.

 

[Grimreepah]

"He messed up for the 100th time, but let's SAVE HIM!"

It's like I'm actually reading the Carlton board during Fev's time at the Blues.

Are you mocking the opinions of people on this board?

I'd be curious to know what you think he has done wrong in his time at Brisbane?