Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Come back Cyril]

Ralphy reckons the Hawks didnt even offer the f2 with pick 14, they just wanted to do 14 for Barrass+f3.

Idk fellas but thats not goodwill trading right there, at least come to the table if you want a contracted A-grader...

As Hawk fans have been saying for days - I hope this puts into perspective how unrealistic the 2 1sts idea was.

 

[FB19]

Can everyone stop. These things are true.
1. All media is biased to whoever pays them
2. All media is crap and unaccountable
3. All media is enabled by us
4. Liam Baker

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Liam Baker

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26

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173cm

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72kg

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15.7

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3.2

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2.6

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222.2

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14.6

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6.8

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7.9

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3.8

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1.8

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191.9

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14.4

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1.6

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1.8

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isn’t worth a first round pick
5. The hawks blues trade was known to the eagles
6. Tom Barrass

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Tom Barrass

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29

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197cm

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96kg

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12.2

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8.8

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3.4

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6.1

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0.9

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158.5

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10.1

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8.0

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2.1

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5.6

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0.3

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139.6

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11.4

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7.2

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4.2

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5.2

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0.4

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160.0

3star

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Yet every year clubs place a premium on trading into the current year.
There is a not-insignificant value on not having to wait a year to use the pick

That's because in the current year particularly on the night you are largely trading for a specific player not a pick and clubs will always pay overs for the former. But the idea that next year's draft is always weaker is fallacy. Journos are just guessing.

 

[VicBased]

As Hawk fans have been saying for days - I hope this puts into perspective how unrealistic the 2 1sts idea was.

2x 1'st it will be that's why hawks went to Carlton

 

[triple treat]

We rejected 14... Why would we accept your return for pick 14?

It would have been a 3 way trade in your example...

No you didn’t, it was 14 and a f2 which from all accounts the Eagles would have excepted but the Hawks wanted a f3 to come as well. So a 1st and 2nd round pick is what the Eagles wanted, now they can get it!!

 

[THE_GUN]

2x 1'st it will be that's why hawks went to Carlton

I highly doubt that

They would have just given 2 1st with a 2nd coming back from the eagles rather than the extra they get back from carlton

 

[stallon]

That's because in the current year particularly on the night you are largely trading for a specific player not a pick and clubs will always pay overs for the former. But the idea that next year's draft is always weaker is fallacy. Journos are just guessing.

Im not talking about this years draft being stronger/weaker or whatever. Current picks are always worth more than future picks because you get an extra year of development into the kid

 

[stallon]

As Hawk fans have been saying for days - I hope this puts into perspective how unrealistic the 2 1sts idea was.

Or it just shows how dumb the Hawks think we are

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

No you didn’t, it was 14 and a f2 which from all accounts the Eagles would have excepted but the Hawks wanted a f3 to come as well. So a 1st and 2nd round pick is what the Eagles wanted, now they can get it!!

Exactly. Why would we now accept less ?

 

[triple treat]

You offered him more years and more money.

You hunted him , he and Eagle's didn't hunt you

We would have pushed him to St Kilda if we had a say. Out of all the teams possible Hawks are the worst options

Doggies/Sydney/St Kildahave more then you to offer

So you finally admit he was pushed

 

[Come back Cyril]

Or it just shows how dumb the Hawks think we are

I think it shows what we think his value is. Which as it turns out is only an Eagles F3rd away from where WC officials value him.

WA media on the other hand...

 

[bzparkes]

So you finally admit he was pushed

Read the 2 lines just before it, very slowly...

 

[bzparkes]

I think it shows what we think his value is. Which as it turns out is only an Eagles F3rd away from where WC officials value him.

WA media on the other hand...

What are WA media reporting?

 

[Come back Cyril]

What are WA media reporting?

There were lots of pre trade period arricles about 2 1sts, which set WC fans up to be dissapointed as was way above market value.

 

[WCE_authentic]

TB at around pick 14 is fair if being honest (10-12 IMO). The problem for Clarke is he conceded on an early teens pick for OOC Baker. If Baker was a realistic price (2nd) then we would have got 14 and lost a second for the Barrass/Baker transaction which is about right on the net difference. Baker for Barrass with zero or marginal net difference will lose Clarke his job. If pick 3 is lost without 2 top ten picks replacing it, then we are in GC/early Freo drafting territory. Would have to look for another team if that happened.

 

[stallon]

I think it shows what we think his value is. Which as it turns out is only an Eagles F3rd away from where WC officials value him.

WA media on the other hand...

Its been reported that the deal the Hawks actually offered was pick 14 alone. The Hawks gave up after waiting for a response.

I wouldnt have responded either if I was the Eagles, laughable offer

 

[stallon]

There were lots of pre trade period arricles about 2 1sts, which set WC fans up to be dissapointed as was way above market value.

Eagles wouldve accepted 14+f2, thats not above market value

 

[WCE_authentic]

There were lots of pre trade period arricles about 2 1sts, which set WC fans up to be dissapointed as was way above market value.

They were always in reference to pick purchasing (paying Barrass salary) and a WCE 2nd going back (so a slide of a few places). The market value from WCE fans has always been relative to the OOC Baker value. If OOC Baker is valued 14, IC Barrass needs to be more. Hawthorn has been used as a trojan horse by Carlton trying to ambush WCE pick 3 for FOS. Hawthorn has definitely lost all leverage, totally flunked the trade. WCE failed by conceding Baker value and will be totally ruined if pick 3 is traded. We have the two worst list managers.

 

[mezaire]

Anyone actually consider that Richmond wanted future picks for Baker?

Now being reported that Hawthorn have offered a F1 and a F2 (WC can choses HFC or Carl picks) for Barass and a F3.

Then either that F1 or WC's F2 for Baker.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Hawks have ddone the best thing

Now kick back and wait for Eagles to come with documents signed for the last day
Eagles want Barrass gone more than Hawks want him at the club

Hawks 1
Eagles - 0

10 minutes left in the game

Only 1 of these clubs is a chance to make finals... & that club is lacking a quality key defender.

Hawks have far more to lose if this trade falls over.

 

[Come back Cyril]

Eagles wouldve accepted 14+f2, thats not above market value

It's clearly close. Like I said, if the sticking point was really an eagles F3 as reported the two sides are not that far apart.

 

[bzparkes]

There were lots of pre trade period arricles about 2 1sts, which set WC fans up to be dissapointed as was way above market value.

Really? Links?

 

[Byron_Clanger]

Only 1 of these clubs is a chance to make finals... & that club is lacking a quality key defender.

Hawks have far more to lose if this trade falls over.

Exactly. Which is why I don't understand all this crap from the Vic media that all the pressure is on West Coast to get this deal done.

If you want the guy so badly, and if he's gonna vault you to top four status and whatever more, then satisfy the team who has him contracted for two more years after this one.

 

[HR Roughnstuf]

He's contracted and the new coach said he wants him

I very much doubt we'll panic last minute on this one

Sweet, keep him then

 

[bzparkes]

Sweet, keep him then

Yeah, that's what we said.