Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[stallon]

I actually think Carlton have coughed a bit up to get to pick 3 for FOS, and are going to get rolled by Richmond dealing with North for pick 2, and taking him first.

Since hearing GWS turned down pick 3 for 15+16 that we offered them, I do believe that WCE didnt get a shit deal and Carlton may have overplayed themselves, unless they think theyre going up the ladder next year.
I think FOS was our pick 3 target, and as you say hes a 50/50 to even be there

 

[stallon]

While this has nothing to do with the Barrass trade at all, this is weak.

In the entire history of WC we've lost Chris Judd after 6 years, Brad Ebert after 4, Koby Stevens who couldn't get a game, 27 year old Willie Rioli, free agent Scott Lycett who got a bigger contract. Am I missing anyone?

By my calcs the last flag side had 10 players from outside WA, including Jack Redden and Nathan Vardy who chose to join WC. Luke Shuey, Will Schofield, Shannon Hurn have all retired and still live in Perth and maintain involvement with the club. Being drafted to WA isn't like being written out of Neighbours or Home and Away.

I doubt Brayshaw, Serong, Darcy and Young grew up dreaming of playing for Freo. Likewise Butters and Drew at Port or most of the gun players at GC and GWS.

Pick the best available and back yourself to create a winning environment. Wasn't that long ago Brisbane lost 5 players in one trade period because the club was going nowhere. They now have Neale, Dunkley, Ah Chee, McKenna, Cameron playing for them plus Daniher, McCarthy, Gunston etc all went there.

If the draft is even then use the value of an early pick for multiple selections. Jury is out over Sheezel vs Ginbey + Hewett at this stage but I am OK with the trade. Just one of those guys and a 26 year old B grade player? NFW.

Im pretty sure a large part of why we dont lose players is because we carefully pick them with the homesickness thing in mind. Like we did in 2022 for example with 2 for 8+14.
Wouldnt be surprised if the little pick slides we do so often are done so we dont have to reach so much to get the guy who is afraid of leaving him mum

 

[JackOutback]

Since hearing GWS turned down pick 3 for 15+16 that we offered them, I do believe that WCE didnt get a shit deal and Carlton may have overplayed themselves, unless they think theyre going up the ladder next year.
I think FOS was our pick 3 target, and as you say hes a 50/50 to even be there

Neither Carlton or West Coast got a good deal, Richmond and Hawthorn got the good deals.

 

[Scotland]

Im pretty sure a large part of why we dont lose players is because we carefully pick them with the homesickness thing in mind. Like we did in 2022 for example with 2 for 8+14.
Wouldnt be surprised if the little pick slides we do so often are done so we dont have to reach so much to get the guy who is afraid of leaving him mum

That's all well and good but we've won 10 games in 3 years. We don't want players staying because they are comfortable with low standards. We've had pick 2, pick 1 and pick 3 in successive years and our B&F had Brady Hough 5th, Harley Reid 9th and the next youngest player in the top 10 was Jake Waterman who is 26.

Our 22 Under 22 representatives in the last 10 years are:

2015: Elliot Yeo (now 31)
2016: Nil
2017: Nil
2018: Nil
2019: Liam Ryan (now 28)
2020: Nil
2021: Oscar Allen (now 25)
2022: Nil
2023: Nil
2024: Harley Reid (19)

North had 3 selections this year. Freo had 4 and should've played finals. Hawthorn had 3 and did play finals. Freo drafted Adam Cerra who made it 3 years in a row, then traded him for pick 6 and drafted Jye Amiss who made it the last two years.

We have some good young players and things can turn around quickly (no one rated Hawthorn for 5 years and they started 2024 0-5) but nobody is shaking at the prospect of an imminent WC dynasty.

West Coast is a club that played finals 25 times in 34 years and won 4 flags. I'm old enough to have seen the late Ken Judge years, the post Chris Judd trade/Ben Cousins implosion years and the post Covid years. We bounce back but I've never seen us this weak off field.

Back to TB no one screwed anyone in the trade and I don't think Hawthorn had any intention to. He was under contract and they historically have made reasonable trades for established players. But we don't have the stones to do what Richmond did with Rioli or Baker, and everyone knows it.

 

[triple treat]

The original offer was Barrass + future 3rd for 14. It was turned down.

With 40 minutes to go the offer was Future first and Future second for Barrass and our future third.

Clarke was removed from the negotiation as he was riled and had given up, Hawks were ready to walk.

Some sense prevailed and the Hawks after quick discussions, some home truths were told and a policy of the whole path was laid out. Hawks came up twice. First to future first and future second with no third rounder, then to F1+F2+F3 (of WCE choice, Hawks picks were chosen) with our future fourth going back.

Deal was done, call was made to Barrass who was in tears having already having had a call from mini saying he'd be welcomed back to the club if it didn't go through and that the deal was done.

In isolation I think it was a great trade for all parties involved.

Now people can bitch and moan and say how bad the pick 3 trade was, but that wasn't my shitshow other than getting Owies to the WCE.

Of the top 5 draft prospects that WCE wanted to draft at pick 3, 3 of the Victorians didn't want to come west, Draper if he doesn't go to Adelaide prefers to head to Victoria and the club was very much of the mind that the 1 out of those 5 was a 50/50 shot at having already being taken in the first 2 picks. So it was 50/50 of get who you want or select (including academy prospects) pick 8 on the draft board using pick 3. People are welcome to hit me up after the draft with private messages and i'll give who that top 8 is, in order. People will likely be surprised.

Due to the above situation pick 3 was being traded anyway. I was ok with the draft picks, just not happy that Clarke had already promised a teens pick to Richmond.

Carlton had already offered 12+14 to North which was turned down. Richmond will now go hard for North's pick so we can all watch that play out.

I have another 3 days off before discussions in regards to draft picks start on a part time basis, then i'm at the draft for real time trades. Then I retire and **** off to Panglao for 2 weeks followed by 4 different Philippine cities for a month at a time before deciding which area i'm retiring to.

Enjoy the very early morning or late evening if you're not in this daylight savings shithole.

Can I just say in reply to you saying of the 5 top draft picks 3 didn’t wanna head west, and that’s part of the reason pick 3 was traded! If that is the case the the Eagles are soft as butter. Who cares where they want to get drafted, tuff t***ies, clubs should draft the kids they want and back themselves to have the environment that has them wanting to stay. I’m pretty sure Harley Reid said he’d prefer to stay in VIC so why did the Eagles take him?

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

That's all well and good but we've won 10 games in 3 years. We don't want players staying because they are comfortable with low standards. We've had pick 2, pick 1 and pick 3 in successive years and our B&F had Brady Hough 5th, Harley Reid 9th and the next youngest player in the top 10 was Jake Waterman who is 26.

Our 22 Under 22 representatives in the last 10 years are:

2015: Elliot Yeo (now 31)
2016: Nil
2017: Nil
2018: Nil
2019: Liam Ryan (now 28)
2020: Nil
2021: Oscar Allen (now 25)
2022: Nil
2023: Nil
2024: Harley Reid (19)

North had 3 selections this year. Freo had 4 and should've played finals. Hawthorn had 3 and did play finals. Freo drafted Adam Cerra who made it 3 years in a row, then traded him for pick 6 and drafted Jye Amiss who made it the last two years.

We have some good young players and things can turn around quickly (no one rated Hawthorn for 5 years and they started 2024 0-5) but nobody is shaking at the prospect of an imminent WC dynasty.

West Coast is a club that played finals 25 times in 34 years and won 4 flags. I'm old enough to have seen the late Ken Judge years, the post Chris Judd trade/Ben Cousins implosion years and the post Covid years. We bounce back but I've never seen us this weak off field.

Back to TB no one screwed anyone in the trade and I don't think Hawthorn had any intention to. He was under contract and they historically have made reasonable trades for established players. But we don't have the stones to do what Richmond did with Rioli or Baker, and everyone knows it.

Wow

You are too sensible and balanced to be an Eagles supporter judging by this post.

A great unbiased analysis of where the Eagles are at present

 

[SwanpoolSeahawk]

Go the hawks

 

[HairyO]

Can I just say in reply to you saying of the 5 top draft picks 3 didn’t wanna head west, and that’s part of the reason pick 3 was traded! If that is the case the the Eagles are soft as butter. Who cares where they want to get drafted, tuff t***ies, clubs should draft the kids they want and back themselves to have the environment that has them wanting to stay. I’m pretty sure Harley Reid said he’d prefer to stay in VIC so why did the Eagles take him?

Id say there is a big difference between "I want to stay in VIC" and the Wingard "I will sit out a year if you draft me".

WCE have a long history of retaining players they want to retain. Barrass is very much an exception. Judd the other one, but WCE were an absolute mess at that time and still managed to get Kennedy.

 

[Since 2001]

Can we shout out all the wce fans who said wheres the evidence of wce promising to re-up barrass contract, that there was a good chance he wouldn't return if a trade wasn't made and he felt betrayed by the club.

That is DAMNING! Can't see any superstar wanting to go there or stay there. Bye bye Harley reid

 

[amazingjoshy]

Can we shout out all the wce fans who said wheres the evidence of wce promising to re-up barrass contract, that there was a good chance he wouldn't return if a trade wasn't made and he felt betrayed by the club.

That is DAMNING! Can't see any superstar wanting to go there or stay there. Bye bye Harley reid

Huh?

 

[Libbaaaa]

Thought he came off like a toss in his interview on 7.

 

[Since 2001]

Thought he came off like a toss in his interview on 7.

Truth hurts

 

[amazingjoshy]

Truth hurts

You've never heard him talk before have you?

I'm not sure what you think he's said that everybody didn't already know

 

[Since 2001]

You've never heard him talk before have you?

I'm not sure what you think he's said that everybody didn't already know

What do you mean, look at the thread. Hawks supports stated multiple times, wce went back on promises made to him, didnt want to return to the club, essentially pushed him out and acted like he was a required player when they were very happy for him to leave.

 

[bzparkes]

Can we shout out all the wce fans who said wheres the evidence of wce promising to re-up barrass contract, that there was a good chance he wouldn't return if a trade wasn't made and he felt betrayed by the club.

That is DAMNING! Can't see any superstar wanting to go there or stay there. Bye bye Harley reid

What's damning?

He would've always returned. He's pragmatic.

 

[amazingjoshy]

What's damning?

He would've always returned. He's pragmatic.

No no no I'm sure he'd have walked away from 700k a year for the next 3 years had a trade not been arranged

That wouldve definitely been best for his family

 

[bzparkes]

No no no I'm sure he'd have walked away from 700k a year for the next 3 years had a trade not been arranged

That wouldve definitely been best for his family

Yeah, according to some Hawks fans that's exactly what he'd do.

Never mind them also saying he left because WCE wouldn't give him a small bump

As much as I like Tom, seems he was phoning it in the past couple of seasons. Don't need someone around a young group like that, despite how well he's liked.

Swapping him for Baker may turn out to be a masterstroke

 

[chaddy22]

Can we shout out all the wce fans who said wheres the evidence of wce promising to re-up barrass contract, that there was a good chance he wouldn't return if a trade wasn't made and he felt betrayed by the club.

That is DAMNING! Can't see any superstar wanting to go there or stay there. Bye bye Harley reid

i am happy that they let him go. It isn't just the money as he also wanted extra years on his contract.
You have to look at how Eagles players go after they reach thirty.
Nic Nat got a two year extension and didn't play a game. Gaff's last two years of his contract has been woeful and Darling has been average the last couple of years and it is good that we don''t feel obligated to play him in his last year in front of a developing forward next year.

The warning sign for Barrass is the amount of games he has played in the last four years.
Paying overs for a player that isn't durable is a big risk
2024 18 games
2023 14 games
2022 19 games
2021 16 games

The worry is the tunnelling incident in 2023. Will this cut short his career.

 

[BIGHAWK23]

This thread now lingers with salty dogs fans and WC fans back pedaling on their two firsts claims

TB all the way to the bank

 

[Steven Tyler]

i am happy that they let him go. It isn't just the money as he also wanted extra years on his contract.
You have to look at how Eagles players go after they reach thirty.
Nic Nat got a two year extension and didn't play a game. Gaff's last two years of his contract has been woeful and Darling has been average the last couple of years and it is good that we don''t feel obligated to play him in his last year in front of a developing forward next year.

The warning sign for Barrass is the amount of games he has played in the last four years.
Paying overs for a player that isn't durable is a big risk
2024 18 games
2023 14 games
2022 19 games
2021 16 games

The worry is the tunnelling incident in 2023. Will this cut short his career.

The good news is he will only sit on a plane half the time he did at West Coast

 

[Barrybran]

TB will be fine at Hawthorn. Nothing new has been raised. The old guard made a promise that the new guard weren't prepared to honour and TB felt aggrieved and sought a trade. We accommodated that request.

I'm not sure what the headline is here.

 

[JackOutback]

Can we shout out all the wce fans who said wheres the evidence of wce promising to re-up barrass contract, that there was a good chance he wouldn't return if a trade wasn't made and he felt betrayed by the club.

That is DAMNING! Can't see any superstar wanting to go there or stay there. Bye bye Harley reid

You must have listened to something completely different. Obviously there was a difference over his contract and he had some issues with the new administration, but he also spoke highly of the club, said he respected them for working with him on the move, he acknowledged the club has different views on what's best for the club versus what's best for the individual. Football can be a ruthless business, seems like they all managed to keep this amicable.

 

[bluespooner]

You must have listened to something completely different. Obviously there was a difference over his contract and he had some issues with the new administration, but he also spoke highly of the club, said he respected them for working with him on the move, he acknowledged the club has different views on what's best for the club versus what's best for the individual. Football can be a ruthless business, seems like they all managed to keep this amicable.

Whilst, I agree with those comments with regards to the relationship between WC and TB what was distasteful was the commentary of the Western Australia media and the WC supporters on his board. WC short-changed TB especially given what they pay McGovern and in the past blokes like Natanui (a bloke who rarely got on the ground in his last two seasons and who's biggest exertion would have been working out how to spend his inflated salary) and Gaff.

Also, your comments earlier in this thread about Hawthorn getting a good deal are not correct. WC got a ripping deal for TB given age and injury concerns, effectively WC has all of Hawthorn's 2025 draft hand. I doubt TB will play 80 games, so what Hawthorn has given up is huge.

What was ridiculous was WC supporters and the WC list manager expecting Hawthorn to pick up the tab on the commitment for Baker's services, consequently leading to the unreasonable claim of two first round draft picks.

I'm starting to understand why Fremantle supporters consider WC fans to be self-entitled.

 

[chaddy22]

Whilst, I agree with those comments with regards to the relationship between WC and TB what was distasteful was the commentary of the Western Australia media and the WC supporters on his board. WC short-changed TB especially given what they pay McGovern and in the past blokes like Natanui (a bloke who rarely got on the ground in his last two seasons and who's biggest exertion would have been working out how to spend his inflated salary) and Gaff.

Also, your comments earlier in this thread about Hawthorn getting a good deal are not correct. WC got a ripping deal for TB given age and injury concerns, effectively WC has all of Hawthorn's 2025 draft hand. I doubt TB will play 80 games, so what Hawthorn has given up is huge.

What was ridiculous was WC supporters and the WC list manager expecting Hawthorn to pick up the tab on the commitment for Baker's services, consequently leading to the unreasonable claim of two first round draft picks.

I'm starting to understand why Fremantle supporters consider WC fans to be self-entitled.

I don't think you do understand. We have overpaid players Like Mcgovern, Nic Nat, Gaff and Darling who are injury prone or who's output drops after the age of thirty. TB was initially happy with his long contract and changed his mind.
He shouldn't have signed a long contract.
People keep skirting the issue and that it wasn't all about the money he also wanted extra years on his existing contract.
No way is he worth giving 4-5 years with his injury concerns.

TB's leaving while in contract is no different to Dan Houston leaving Port
.
Dan Houston wants to leave Port Adelaide and play in Victoria in 2025, according to Kane Cornes.
AFL Media initially reported Houston’s interest in potentially leaving the Power, despite having four years to run on his contract. Cornes, a Port Adelaide great, has done some digging and believes a big factor is Houston’s sharp rise in form in recent years and a feeling that he is outperforming his current pay.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

I don't think you do understand. We have overpaid players Like Mcgovern, Nic Nat, Gaff and Darling who are injury prone or who's output drops after the age of thirty.

This is why clubs put triggers into contracts. Play x amount of games get extra money and 1 year.