Restricted Free Agent Tom De Koning

[WalshistheGOAT]

Did they?
Or did they sign Weitering up on a lot of coin and they couldn't afford to offer contracts to Kennedy, Owies and Martin without blowing up the salary cap.
The way Carlton traded in no one and looked to trade solid players reminded me of Collingwood 2019 when we gave away Aish. The next year our cap almost blew up because we 'had' to sign a ruck on big coin.

If we had no coin we wouldn't have been supposedly in the market for Hayward, Stengle, SDK or Houston through the year. None of them would have come cheap which indicates we had money to play with if we needed.

End of year we got rid of;

Kennedy
Owies
Martin
Marchbank
Cuningham
Carroll

Id say the only one we'd be disappointed in losing is Kennedy who had issues with his role in the team, nothing to do with $. The rest of them were out the door no matter what for various reasons imo.

Collectively they'd have been on a fair wicket even if none were on huge contracts individually. Probably in the 1.5-2mil range combined.

We then have 17 players OOC next year and imo only a handful that we'd fight to keep at the expense of others, half of them will likely be on reduced contracts too given they're starting to get on in age as opposed to when they signed their previous deals.

Players like Docherty, Saad, Newman, McGovern, Hewett.

Plus... The Salary Caps just went up a massive amount...

Blues will have more than adequate coin to give TDK what he's worth.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

If we had no coin we wouldn't have been supposedly in the market for Hayward, Stengle, SDK or Houston through the year. None of them would have come cheap which indicates we had money to play with if we needed.

End of year we got rid of;

Kennedy
Owies
Martin
Marchbank
Cuningham
Carroll

Id say the only one we'd be disappointed in losing is Kennedy who had issues with his role in the team, nothing to do with $. The rest of them were out the door no matter what for various reasons imo.

Collectively they'd have been on a fair wicket even if none were on huge contracts individually. Probably in the 1.5-2mil range combined.

We then have 17 players OOC next year and imo only a handful that we'd fight to keep at the expense of others, half of them will likely be on reduced contracts too given they're starting to get on in age as opposed to when they signed their previous deals.

Players like Docherty, Saad, Newman, McGovern, Hewett.

Plus... The Salary Caps just went up a massive amount...

Blues will have more than adequate coin to give TDK what he's worth.

But then Weitering comes out and openly says he took a paycut to help the salary cap? Not 100% buying it

Last question is, Do you think he will be offered what he is worth?

If you want to keep him it will be a absolute drastic overpay. Id guarantee he is your highest paid player by the end of this and by a absolute mile too . I truly expect him to be on 500k more then your 2nd highest earner if it ends up with Carlton matching a bid.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

But then Weitering comes out and openly says he took a paycut to help the salary cap? Not 100% buying it

Last question is, Do you think he will be offered what he is worth?

If you want to keep him it will be a absolute drastic overpay. Id guarantee he is your highest paid player by the end of this and by a absolute mile too .

The entire top group took cuts because Brian Cook essentially told them we're following Geelongs pay model and nobody's getting paid above the captain.

You can listen to any of Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering or Walsh in separate interviews saying they made a pact a few years back that they're all going to stick around for less coin so they can bring in other players to hopefully win a flag. After that they're free to go wherever they want.

In other interviews you can find TDK saying he wants to follow their lead on that as a leader of the club and get the Blues their draught breaking flag.

And why on earth would we, the club who drafted him and who he supported as a kid need to pay drastic overs to keep him lol? It would be someone poaching him having to do that, not the club retaining him.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

The entire top group took cuts because Brian Cook essentially told them we're following Geelongs pay model and nobody's getting paid above the captain.

You can listen to any of Cripps, Curnow, McKay, Weitering or Walsh in separate interviews saying they made a pact a few years back that they're all going to stick around for less coin so they can bring in other players to hopefully win a flag. After that they're free to go wherever they want.

In other interviews you can find TDK saying he wants to follow their lead on that as a leader of the club and get the Blues their draught breaking flag.

And why on earth would we, the club who drafted him and who he supported as a kid need to pay drastic overs to keep him lol? It would be someone poaching him having to do that, not the club retaining him.

I said it depends on the offer...

I feel he could easily get 4+ mill more elsewhere.

Loyalty probably isnt worth 4 mill. We are heading to a new age. For Will Hayward to take 500k less to stay at Swans. Yeah that makes sense. De Koning going from 6 years 9 mill to say 6 years 5 mill from Carlton. A little bit different and a new situation clubs have to deal with

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

I said it depends on the offer...

I feel he could easily get 4+ mill more elsewhere.

Loyalty probably isnt worth 4 mill

Someone else is going to offer 4 million more than Carlton?? Are we offering him a rookie wage or something?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Someone else is going to offer 4 million more than Carlton?? Are we offering him a rookie wage or something?

More or less I think Essendon is just that insane. Its you underrating Essendons insanity here

 

[MITSUHIRATO]

Did they?
Or did they sign Weitering up on a lot of coin and they couldn't afford to offer contracts to Kennedy, Owies and Martin without blowing up the salary cap.
The way Carlton traded in no one and looked to trade solid players reminded me of Collingwood 2019 when we gave away Aish. The next year our cap almost blew up because we 'had' to sign a ruck on big coin.

Kennedy was already under contract.

I don’t think not offering Jack Martin a deal had anything to do with money. He was never able to consistently get out onto the park and wasn’t see as value for money at his age.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

More or less I think Essendon is just that insane. Its you underrating Essendons insanity here

If Carlton's offering him a competitive salary there's no chance in hell anyone's coming over the top of that by 4 million dollars.

 

[bradfisher14]

WCE and Essendon are the two clubs that refused to tie salary to cap increases. Now whether that means the salary was a bit higher initially to compensate we don’t know but that and being rubbish for a number of years would mean they would be two clubs with room to move, even after the recruitment of the lesser McKay.

There will be offers out there that Carlton can’t afford to match, it just depends on TDK’s motivation. Is it financial security or loyalty to his club and mates with the chance of premiership success.

No doubt, my suspicion is that Tom will sign for unders with Carlton.

I would be pretty surprised. Not all contracts have that and even if they did the gap is still proportionately increasing with it. You'd have to be bad at your job to be underwater with cap right now

Agreed. However, most teams would be tight as the AFL are strict about teams spending the minimum 95% of the cap each year.

FWIW, this is our list of OOC for 2025. I think we'll be able to shuffle things around and fit Tom in without sweating too much. I think refusing to sign Houston and bidding fairwell to Owies, Kennedy, Carroll, and the other injury prone senior guys has paved the way for us to sign TDK long term.

2025 OOC

1. Silvagni

3. Motlop

5. Cerra

11. McGovern

12. De Koning

14. Fantasia

15. Docherty

17. Kemp

24. Newman

26. Haynes

28. Charleson

29. Hewett

31. Lemmey

34. Monahan

35. Wilson

36. Lord

39. Cincotta

41. Duffy

42. Saad

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Pleasedontfail11 what do you disagree with from my post? Lay it out for me.

If all the things I said are true the Blues should have 0 issues matching bids on TDK even if you Pies are hoping he'd walk out on us for nothing.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

If we had no coin we wouldn't have been supposedly in the market for Hayward, Stengle, SDK or Houston through the year. None of them would have come cheap which indicates we had money to play with if we needed.

End of year we got rid of;

Kennedy
Owies
Martin
Marchbank
Cuningham
Carroll

Id say the only one we'd be disappointed in losing is Kennedy who had issues with his role in the team, nothing to do with $. The rest of them were out the door no matter what for various reasons imo.

Collectively they'd have been on a fair wicket even if none were on huge contracts individually. Probably in the 1.5-2mil range combined.

We then have 17 players OOC next year and imo only a handful that we'd fight to keep at the expense of others, half of them will likely be on reduced contracts too given they're starting to get on in age as opposed to when they signed their previous deals.

Players like Docherty, Saad, Newman, McGovern, Hewett.

Plus... The Salary Caps just went up a massive amount...

Blues will have more than adequate coin to give TDK what he's worth.

We were in the market for Lynch right before our cap imploded. Just because the media says a thing doesn't make it true.
Just because there are reports about Carlton being into Hayward, Houston and Petracca doesn't mean much.
The way Owies and Martin wernt really offered a contract despite being solid players.
The way Kennedy and Young were shopped around despite having contracts was another sign.
The way Carlton stayed as far away as possible from any major trades. Surely pick 3 gets you in the convo for the perfect player for Carlton Petracca.
Why would a contender strip away 4 players who are at worst borderline 22 and not try to really improve their list in the short term. The window is open but it is about to close. Why not go all in for now?

It's a TDK thread but you asked for a explanation.

 

[THE_GUN]

Pleasedontfail11 what do you disagree with from my post? Lay it out for me.

If all the things I said are true the Blues should have 0 issues matching bids on TDK even if you Pies are hoping he'd walk out on us for nothing.

Im also thinking the blues would be very tight in their cap
all supporters would be thinking their club will be ok but no matter what we say
Harry , Cerra , McGovern , Curnow , TDK , Walsh , Cripps , Saad , Williams , Wietering
Thats alot of talent that have been highly paid and most still on very big $$$

Richmond had Martin , Rance , Prestia , Cotchin and maxed out to get Lynch and eventually the walls broke and started losing players TDK will be getting close to $1.5 mil offers and he will take unders but thats usually 10% - 15% unders not $500k a year

But if they do something will have to give in the next 2 years and if they get a flag then will be well worth maxing out the cap. But then you never know cap trading could be the Saviour as it looks like happening

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

We were in the market for Lynch right before our cap imploded. Just because the media says a thing doesn't make it true.
Just because there are reports about Carlton being into Hayward, Houston and Petracca doesn't mean much.
The way Owies and Martin wernt really offered a contract despite being solid players.
The way Kennedy and Young were shopped around despite having contracts was another sign.
The way Carlton stayed as far away as possible from any major trades. Surely pick 3 gets you in the convo for the perfect player for Carlton Petracca.
Why would a contender strip away 4 players who are at worst borderline 22 and not try to really improve their list in the short term. The window is open but it is about to close. Why not go all in for now?

It's a TDK thread but you asked for a explanation.

Martin was made of cellophane, Owies was an extremely limited footballer who most of our fans wanted dropped and Young has issues working alongside Weitering from all reports.

Kennedy is fair game but he wanted to leave.

I also think using Ned Guy butchering your cap space as a reason as to why we'd be in the same situation is a bit laughable.

More importantly, if we did just lose 4 quality senior players would we have not just cleared up plenty of space going into this year where we have another 17 OOC?

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Im also thinking the blues would be very tight in their cap
all supporters would be thinking their club will be ok but no matter what we say
Harry , Cerra , McGovern , Curnow , TDK , Walsh , Cripps , Saad , Williams , Wietering
Thats alot of talent that have been highly paid and most still on very big $$$

Richmond had Martin , Rance , Prestia , Cotchin and maxed out to get Lynch and eventually the walls broke and started losing players TDK will be getting close to $1.5 mil offers and he will take unders but thats usually 10% - 15% unders not $500k a year

But if they do something will have to give in the next 2 years and if they get a flag then will be well worth maxing out the cap. But then you never know cap trading could be the Saviour as it looks like happening

- McGov isn't on big coin anymore, his old deal expired and understandably had to take a big clip.

- Saad and Docherty about to be OOC so they'll be taking pay cuts end of year given their age and diminished form compared to their primes.

- Williams OOC next year who is on massive coin. Rumoured to be 800k

Cerra is also not on a massive contract. Freo reportedly offered him 750k and he stated he took less to get back home on that cringe player agent show they released a few years back.

Essentially we'll be replacing those players on that top line coin and adding TDK to the mix in their place, who's already on fairly good money from what the medias reported.

 

[eaglevision]

Owies was an extremely limited footballer who most of our fans wanted dropped

Thanks for that.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Thanks for that.

Still busts his gut but he's essentially an aldi brand J.Cripps

 

[eaglevision]

Still busts his gut but he's essentially an aldi brand J.Cripps

Aldi is generous. Seems everyone knew that except Matthew Clarke and certain sections of our board.

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

Martin was made of cellophane, Owies was an extremely limited footballer who most of our fans wanted dropped and Young has issues working alongside Weitering from all reports.

Kennedy is fair game but he wanted to leave.

I also think using Ned Guy butchering your cap space as a reason as to why we'd be in the same situation is a bit laughable.

More importantly, if we did just lose 4 quality senior players would we have not just cleared up plenty of space going into this year where we have another 17 OOC?

But all of those players are best 22 or close to it and all are useful depth at worst. You had a lot of injures this year and all of them can play a role better than untried 1st or 2nd year players. If you are in the window why get rid of them? It doesn't make much sense. You would at least offer them a below average contract or a performance based one.
I talked about Collingwood to show that despite having cap issues there is always rumours about players going to clubs. But according to you player X, Y and Z being linked to Carlton equals no cap issues.
No moving on 4 players does not always equal cap room.
Weitering had a big increase in salary 500-600k more maybe.
Other players signed new contracts on more money
Players contracts can often be back ended because the cap was already tight. So money needs to be freed up.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

Alfi is generous. Seems everyone knew that except Matthew Clarke and certain sections of our board.

Tbf I thought it was a joke when they originally reported it

 

[THE_GUN]

- McGov isn't on big coin anymore, his old deal expired and understandably had to take a big clip.

- Saad and Docherty about to be OOC so they'll be taking pay cuts end of year given their age and diminished form compared to their primes.

- Williams OOC next year who is on massive coin. Rumoured to be 800k

Cerra is also not on a massive contract. Freo reportedly offered him 750k and he stated he took less to get back home on that cringe player agent show they released a few years back.

Essentially we'll be replacing those players on that top line coin and adding TDK to the mix in their place, who's already on fairly good money from what the medias reported.

These are all the positives we see but there are also the negatives like players salaries that are tiered to the increase in the cap which we ignore.

Just regarding Cerra , He wanted to come to Richmond but when his demands were looked at Richmond pulled out
I would be very cautious about him accepting less to go another club when there were 3 clubs i know about that were in his selections Melbourne , Richmond & Carlton

I think you would need to have blue glasses to think the above players all at 1 club and no cap issue's
Things would be tight id imagine

 

[eaglevision]

Tbf I thought it was a joke when they originally reported it

So did I. Still filthy about that trade, could have used those late picks and don’t get me started on Jagga vs Allan and Baker. Would happily take TDK off your hands with a Band 1 offer to square the ledger.

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

But all of those players are best 22 or close to it and all are useful depth at worst. You had a lot of injures this year and all of them can play a role better than untried 1st or 2nd year players. If you are in the window why get rid of them? It doesn't make much sense. You would at least offer them a below average contract or a performance based one.
I talked about Collingwood to show that despite having cap issues there is always rumours about players going to clubs. But according to you player X, Y and Z being linked to Carlton equals no cap issues.
No moving on 4 players does not always equal cap room.
Weitering had a big increase in salary 500-600k more maybe.
Other players signed new contracts on more money
Players contracts can be back ended because the cap was already tight.

We failed to do better than a prelim for the last 3 years with this very group. The club clearly stated they want to bring through some more kids and fresh faces to make some changes to the team and hopefully close the gap between Carlton and the best teams.

You could look at the Carlton board and know most of those players were in the gun from way back and it had nothing to do with our cap space, it had to do with list spots and creating opportunities for kids in our VFL team.

Also Weitering on a 5-600k pay increase??? Where in God's name have you pulled that one from lmao? He was already on good money

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

These are all the positives we see but there are also the negatives like players salaries that are tiered to the increase in the cap which we ignore.

Just regarding Cerra , He wanted to come to Richmond but when his demands were looked at Richmond pulled out
I would be very cautious about him accepting less to go another club when there were 3 clubs i know about that were in his selections Melbourne , Richmond & Carlton

I think you would need to have blue glasses to think the above players all at 1 club and no cap issue's
Things would be tight id imagine

Was acknowledged that the Dees were Cerra first preference at the time but they didn't have the draft picks to get it done.

No idea on the Richmond business but you can find Cerra speaking on the matter of taking a paycut with a bit of digging.

Cripps chat turns birthday boy Cerra into a Blue on bargain deal

Adam Cerra will join what is shaping as a deep Carlton midfield next season after a deal with the Dockers was secured on Thursday.

www.theage.com.au

"Carlton secured Cerra on a four-year deal on what would be considered a bargain in terms of salary. Sources familiar with the contract said the Blues are paying Cerra less than $600,000 per year over the term of the deal, significantly less than the $700,000-plus that Fremantle had been willing to pay for him to remain at the Dockers"

 

[Tasmanian saint]

TDK a restricted free agent who will command million dollar plus offers

Can the blues fit him in their cap?

If not will they match a bid and force a trade?

You need to actually have the salary cap space to match a bid. His a good player but definitely wouldn’t pay a million a season for him

 

[eaglevision]

What do Blues fans see as a reasonable salary for a six year deal? Average out at 850k a year?