Traded Tom Barrass & 2025 F4 (WCE) traded to Hawthorn for 2025 F1, F2 & F3 (all Haw)

[Coasters7]

U got fleeced everytime crazy clarkey and dopey don entered a trade room m8
But then maybe Owies breaks the 50 goal barrier next year and all will be forgiven

In what way did we get fleeced in the Barrass trade? Hawks F2 instead of Carlton’s F1. Good chance those are a lot closer than they were this year.

 

[fnerd]

In what way did we get fleeced in the Barrass trade? Hawks F2 instead of Carlton’s F1. Good chance those are a lot closer than they were this year.

Agree it wasn’t as bad but it’s technically the same as what thru originally offered
If you accepted 14 you would have still kept 3 to get a better deal than you did with Carlton

 

[HairyO]

Technically they were correct. Lake played 54 games for Hawthorn

If Barrass gets us a 3peat and wins a NS I think we are okay skipping the 4th year.

 

[Iceman!]

In what way did we get fleeced in the Barrass trade? Hawks F2 instead of Carlton’s F1. Good chance those are a lot closer than they were this year.

You think Hawthorn are going backwards with Battlw and Barrass coming in?

 

[HeHateMe]

Now the dust has settled the FA/Trade period to this point looks somewhat like this for Wce

Wce
In: Baker, Owies, Graham, 12, 73, F1-2-3(Haw)
Out: Barrass, Darling, 3, 63, F4

 

[Coasters7]

Agree it wasn’t as bad but it’s technically the same as what thru originally offered
If you accepted 14 you would have still kept 3 to get a better deal than you did with Carlton

Works out about the same anyway. Split 3 for Hawks F1, 12 and Owies, Barrass for Baker and F2.. if you want to put it that way.

Still not what I’d prefer with the Baker trade, Id definitely prefer Barrass over Baker, but it’s far from a disaster overall. Underwhelming, sure, but not terrible, especially if Hawks shit the bed next season and turn that pick into a top 10.

 

[Coasters7]

You think Hawthorn are going backwards with Battlw and Barrass coming in?

Happens all the time with young sides. Will wait to see how they react to being the hunted, where clubs are prepared for them, instead of living off vibes.

 

[5minutes_of_Dew]

You think Hawthorn are going backwards with Battlw and Barrass coming in?

Not to mention our 2023 b & f winner Will Day missed a sizeable chunk of the season and when he was on the park we looked near unstoppable.

Add in another season of experience to Watson (pick 5), Ward (pick 7), Mackenzie (pick 7), Mc Donald (pick 26) and Weddle (pick 18) who are all under 21 and absolutely ready to explode in 2025.

 

[Scotland]

Not to state the obvious, but the quality of the trade to some extent will be judged by the quality of this year's draft that West Coast is somewhat missing out on + if there's a significant difference btwn Hawthorn's and Carlton's ladder position next season.

Regarding getting futures rather than currents, while I think the "capital for Chad Warner" reasoning stinks, possibly next year's NGAs/father sons for West Coast make stacking up capital for next year look better. New DVI a factor.

This trade should be viewed in isolation. It's Barrass and 63 for 3 future picks. FWIW I don't see Hawthorn meaningfully moving up or down next year. They overachieved this year and could easily fall off but the comp is pretty even from about 14th and up. Unless they have a catastrophic injury crisis they aren't keeping us company. And they just added two good players with a clear view to being better next season.

Hawthorn traded pick 14 last week. This trade could've been done before we traded pick 3 for magic beans.

I would much rather have had pick 3 and Hawthorn's future picks before doing other trades. Regardless of that is what we got for Barrass significantly better or worse than other confirmed offers? Unless it involves two firsts (or a first and some pick this year with a known value) then all of the suggested trades are much of a muchness I reckon.

If our entire strategy was to get as much of Hawthorn's future in exchange for a key position player that makes them immediately better then... yeah I have not words.

 

[bzparkes]

We're not going back. So many of our younger players got games into them - the only thing lacked was a genuine key defender which we made up by using intercept defenders in the role - now they will be free - the mids will get better and we get Mitch Lewis back to lead the forward line - should have chosen the Blues picks - we are not going back

Whilst I expect Hawks to improve next season, both Carlton and Freo would've been thinking the exact same thing the past couple of seasons.

Time will tell.

 

[Hawked Wings]

if it ends up a top 10 pick then you’ll probably trade it for a 38 year old Pendlebury

You caved and handed over an entire draft hand. Will be good fun death riding you blokes next season

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

You caved and handed over an entire draft hand.

But not two 1sts right?

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[CaptainWorpedo]

One first take it or leave it, old player with a rooted back.

You’re a bit slow hey!

We traded the 14 we were going to give you to Carlton for their F1 and F2!

We only paid one extra 3rd round pick in 2024.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Feels like a pretty big price to pay for Barrass. A big chunk of their 2025 draft going to the Eagles, could potentially bite them if they drop a bit down the ladder rather than rise next season.

That's the cost of having a crack though, you've got to take the gamble.

They do have a 1st and a 2nd next year, just not theirs.

Most players will improve: Day, Dear, Watson, Newcombe, Weddle, Ginni, MacDonald, Massimo, Mackenzie and Ward are all under 25. Worpel and Moore are 25. Meek, Scrimshaw, Nash and Battle are 26.

Only 3 best 22 players are older than 27 (Amon, Impey and Sicily) and none are over 30.

Add Battle, Barass and Day to a team that was a post away from a prelim.

They won't drop off.

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[BIGHAWK23]

Still waiting for the 2 Firsts Merchants to take the longest walk back

Red faces and tails between legs of the highest order

An absolute steal

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Happens all the time with young sides. Will wait to see how they react to being the hunted, where clubs are prepared for them, instead of living off vibes.

We might be young but there not in terms of matches played. Alot of are in that 50-100 games ballpark. If anything were getting more mature.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Still waiting for the 2 Firsts Merchants to take the longest walk back

Red faces and tails between legs of the highest order

An absolute steal

Yes we're very disappointed with 2 picks in every round of next year's draft

Just enjoy TB, it's possible for win-wins

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

Has the biggest contributor to this post for the last few weeks disappeared.

The stallon bloke, is anyone checking on his welfare

Hawthorn alway trade fairly. The WC dude doing the negotiations needs to learn that Hawthorn don’t start with a low ball offer, and increase. The end agreed trade is never too far from the starting offer and some face saving mix of later picks usually gets it done.

Some clubs have a different approach, but the Hawks are consistent in approach

 

[stallon]

Has the biggest contributor to this post for the last few weeks disappeared.

The stallon bloke, is anyone checking on his welfare

Hawthorn alway trade fairly. The WC dude doing the negotiations needs to learn that Hawthorn don’t start with a low ball offer, and increase. The end agreed trade is never too far from the starting offer and some face saving mix of later picks usually gets it done.

Some clubs have a different approach, but the Hawks are consistent in approach

I have been busy, hard enough to keep up with the eagles board nevermind worrying about pointless arguments in the barrass or baker threads.

This is an ok trade for us, just ok. I reckon Clarke is pretty shit at this negotiation stuff.

The f3 for f4 isnt nothing, 4th round picks have no points attached next year. Keeping our own f3 and adding another mid to late f3 means its a lot easier to match bids on our f/s and NGA kids.

 

[Come back Cyril]

I have been busy, hard enough to keep up with the eagles board nevermind worrying about pointless arguments in the barrass or baker threads.

This is an ok trade for us, just ok. I reckon Clarke is pretty shit at this negotiation stuff.

The f3 for f4 isnt nothing, 4th round picks have no points attached next year. Keeping our own f3 and adding another mid to late f3 means its a lot easier to match bids on our f/s and NGA kids.

Kind of ended up with both sides saying "meh".

Win- win, no - but no major losers either.

Goid luck next year

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

I have been busy, hard enough to keep up with the eagles board nevermind worrying about pointless arguments in the barrass or baker threads.

This is an ok trade for us, just ok. I reckon Clarke is pretty shit at this negotiation stuff.

The f3 for f4 isnt nothing, 4th round picks have no points attached next year. Keeping our own f3 and adding another mid to late f3 means its a lot easier to match bids on our f/s and NGA kids.

If 50 point of value does it for you, it sounds like you are not far behind Clarke’s thinking, who you rubbish.

Seems your earlier views in this thread were way off. Anyway, pick 12 is your starting position this draft so good luck with the pick.

Whilst you will no doubt be keeping a keen eye on Hawthorn’s 2025 season, we will differ on the reasons.

And hopefully Carlton make the 8 in 2025 for your own sanity.

 

[Purple Suit]

They do have a 1st and a 2nd next year, just not theirs.

Most players will improve: Day, Dear, Watson, Newcombe, Weddle, Ginni, MacDonald, Massimo, Mackenzie and Ward are all under 25. Worpel and Moore are 25. Meek, Scrimshaw, Nash and Battle are 26.

Only 3 best 22 players are older than 27 (Amon, Impey and Sicily) and none are over 30.

Add Battle, Barass and Day to a team that was a post away from a prelim.

They won't drop off.

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Improvement isn't linear, especially for multiple kids who might get ahead of themselves over the offseason. Add in more attention, a worse draw, new players gelling, plus potential injuries and there are no guarantees your future picks aren't bottom six.

 

[stallon]

If 50 point of value does it for you, it sounds like you are not far behind Clarke’s thinking, who you rubbish.

Seems your earlier views in this thread were way off. Anyway, pick 12 is your starting position this draft so good luck with the pick.

Whilst you will no doubt be keeping a keen eye on Hawthorn’s 2025 season, we will differ on the reasons.

And hopefully Carlton make the 8 in 2025 for your own sanity.

We moved you guys form f1+f2 for barrass+f3 to what it ended up as.
A gain of 2 f3s, that should get our NGA kid(s) at least.
If we compare to the Bailey Smith deal its good, if we compare to the Baker trade its a bad deal.

Seems your earlier views in this thread were way off. Anyway, pick 12 is your starting position this draft so good luck with the pick.

I was ok with f1+f2 days ago btw

 

[The Jet From Poowong]

We moved you guys form f1+f2 for barrass+f3 to what it ended up as.
A gain of 2 f3s, that should get our NGA kid(s) at least.
If we compare to the Bailey Smith deal its good, if we compare to the Baker trade its a bad deal.


I was ok with f1+f2 days ago btw

It didn’t take me to long to give you the picture you were painting

Clearly, it changed for you.

Be thankful Hawthorn at least got your club a F1 & F2 with the 14 to save them total embarrassment in trading your pick 3

How are you going to get those 2nd rounders without splitting a first rounder?
Why would you bother going through the trouble of splitting when you could just give us the 1st rounder?

I dont give a flying **** what the points value is.

That couldnt be less relevant to this thread.
Pick 19+20 is worth 1860 points, pick 5 is worth 1878 points. How many clubs would trade pick 5 away for picks 19 and 20?

Are you trolling or what?

I dont care about the rounds, i want picks in the teens

 

[Dont_be_a_Plonka]

I tried quoting everyone who said "two firsts" in this thread but apparently Bigfootys multi quote maxes out at 250