Top 10 youngsters (under 20)

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Zombie


Johnco(k has been average at best in his first season, no doubt he will improve and just to play a whole season in your debut year is good, he wasn't anything special.

Johnco(k plays off half back, McLeod played in a forward pocket (early in his career), Johnco(k is a straight at it player whilst McLeod is an elusive player, the only reason you are comparing them is because they are both Aboriginal.

Johnco(k is more like Ben Hart than Andrew McLeod.

He's not implying that they are the same type of player or they play the same positions but they were both ignored in their early seasons. Obviously he's not as good as McLeod but they have had similar starts to their careers and people haven't taken notice of them in their early seasons.

And Zombie, your reply saying "he's been average at best" is exactly the point of that post.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by snakebite01


He's not implying that they are the same type of player or they play the same positions but they were both ignored in their early seasons. Obviously he's not as good as McLeod but they have had similar starts to their careers and people haven't taken notice of them in their early seasons.

And Zombie, your reply saying "he's been average at best" is exactly the point of that post.

Well he has been average at best, you can't judge a players season on what they might do in following seasons.

 

[ajmart]

Zombie, if you think he's been average at best that's your opinion but I wonder how many of the Crow's matches you've seen this year as he came off the bench a lot in the early part of the year but started on the ground in the latter part and put in some excellent performances.

In particular, he had 2 good games against Melbourne and Collingwood in the finals, although he was a little dazed after being hit in the head against Melbourne. His finals performances were better than some more high profile players at another S.A. club and what better way is there to judge a player than to see if they can step up in finals.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by Rohan_

winningest

Ahhh...Rohan, do I even need to say anything about this?

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by snakebite01


He's not implying that they are the same type of player or they play the same positions but they were both ignored in their early seasons. Obviously he's not as good as McLeod but they have had similar starts to their careers and people haven't taken notice of them in their early seasons.

Even Mcleod back in 1995, John**** aint half as good. Mcleod always had that something and i could always tell he was gonna one day become a superstar. I dont think John**** will become anymore than a good solid player - sort of like a Montgomery. A very good player but not a superstar.

I cant see how they had similar starts. Mcleod won a match in his second game. John**** aint down that yet.

And Zombie, your reply saying "he's been average at best" is exactly the point of that post.

He has been above average. He did not have any game breaking games. A few games he did sweet nothing but sit on the bench. Some games (like the two showdowns) he was on the ground 95% of the time and couldnt get more than 4 kicks. Some games he showed some promise and played very well.

A good/above average is what id call his year.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by ajmart
His finals performances were better than some more high profile players at another S.A. club and what better way is there to judge a player than to see if they can step up in finals.

And??? Kane Cornes and Shaun Burgoyne did more in the finals than some more high profile players at the other SA club as well!

Your point?

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Macca19




He has been above average. He did not have any game breaking games. A few games he did sweet nothing but sit on the bench. Some games (like the two showdowns) he was on the ground 95% of the time and couldnt get more than 4 kicks. Some games he showed some promise and played very well.

A good/above average is what id call his year.

He exceeded expectations, no doubt, but for any player to call a 9 possession a game player (who plays off half back, the easiest place to get possies) as having a good year then there is something wrong.

He showed promise and played well above what anyone expected him to but he didn't have any outstanding games and won't be the next McLeod.

 

[The Hitman]

My top 10 under 20's:

1. Nick Riewoldt
2. Luke Hodge
3. Chris Judd
4. Daniel Kerr
5. Shaun Burgoyne
6. Alan Didak
7. James Kelly
8. David Rodan
9. Ryan Lonie
10. Luke Livingston

Just my opinion, and as off today they are all 19 and under. I went through every club list and had a lot of good players who just missed out. The list is for current form and potential.

The Hitman

 

[Dr.Colossus]

I agree with your top 5 hitman, but it is so open from then on. There are alot of classy players out there. I like the look of Kelly and Rodan. Armstrong will be a 200 gamer, Lonie is a gun, but I'm not sure about Didak. Giansiracusa, Murphy and Koschitzche are also going to get better.

 

[saiak]

Originally posted by The Hitman

10. Luke Livingston

I would put Sporny ahead of Livo, but close call

 

[Darkhour]

Well you'd have to be crazy not to have Kosi and Riewoldt not in your top 10... previous Rising Star Winners.. that means they were voted better than alot of the players mentioned... so it's hard to have any credibility not having Kosi in your top 10...

Oh and for the Record... Collingwood are Filth, Scum and are not hated in respect but because they are simply 3 toothed filth.. IT doesn't matter where on thje ladder Collingwood will ever be, you will always be hated because your supporters are filth...

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by The Hitman
1. Nick Riewoldt
2. Luke Hodge
3. Chris Judd
4. Daniel Kerr
5. Shaun Burgoyne
6. Alan Didak
7. James Kelly
8. David Rodan
9. Ryan Lonie
10. Luke Livingston

I think Burgoyne is a little to high. He is nothing more than a lurking forward who will be their next Che Collins.

1. Nick Riewoldt
2. Chris Judd
3. Luke Hodge
4. Justin Koschitzche
5. Daniel Kerr
6. Jason Cloke
7. Ryan Lonie
8. Alan Didak
9. Cam Brown
10. David Rodan

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by Rohan_


I think Burgoyne is a little to high. He is nothing more than a lurking forward who will be their next Che Collins.

lol, wrong.

He totally shut out Stephen Milne after being moved onto him on St Kilda. He plays defence for Port Magpies when not in the Power. He will end up a midfielder in 2-3 years time.

 

[HTB Saints]

Originally posted by Rohan_


I think Burgoyne is a little to high. He is nothing more than a lurking forward who will be their next Che Collins.

1. Nick Riewoldt
2. Chris Judd
3. Luke Hodge
4. Justin Koschitzche
5. Daniel Kerr
6. Jason Cloke
7. Ryan Lonie
8. Alan Didak
9. Cam Brown
10. David Rodan

So you voted two St Kilda players in the Top 4, ahead of any Collingwood player (two Weagles as well), but apparently you can still say in another thread.

Originally posted by Rohan_

Collingwood
Jason Cloke
Richard Cole
Tom Davidson
Alan Didak
Josh Fraser
Ryan Lonie
Mark McGough
The best crop of youngsters in the AFL. Davidson is the new Chris Tarrant.

So Richard Cole is a lacklustre spasmodic forward in the making?

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Vaul Darkhour
Well you'd have to be crazy not to have Kosi and Riewoldt not in your top 10... previous Rising Star Winners.. that means they were voted better than alot of the players mentioned... so it's hard to have any credibility not having Kosi in your top 10...

Every year there are players that don't win the rising star that turn out better than the winners. I don't think it has much to do with credibility.

Kosi would not be in my top 10 until he proves his fitness and starts playing at top level again.

 

[Dr.Colossus]

Richie Cole was an awesome winger as a junior, however he has yet to find the pace of the big time. He is lightning quick, but I always see him being tackled.

I don't think Cloke is a top 10 youngster but he has improved a heap.
Campbell Brown, Hodge and Mitchell are Hawthorns future.

 

[stefoid]

Originally posted by Rohan_


I think Burgoyne is a little to high. He is nothing more than a lurking forward who will be their next Che Collins.

1. Nick Riewoldt
2. Chris Judd
3. Luke Hodge
4. Justin Koschitzche
5. Daniel Kerr
6. Jason Cloke
7. Ryan Lonie
8. Alan Didak
9. Cam Brown
10. David Rodan

I wouldnt take 2 Ryan Lonies or Jason Clokes for Robert Murphy.
I wouldnt take 3 David Rodans for him.

 

[rfctigerarmy]

Coughlan? not sure of age
Rodan?
Zantuck?

 

[Darkhour]

Originally posted by Port01


Every year there are players that don't win the rising star that turn out better than the winners. I don't think it has much to do with credibility.

Kosi would not be in my top 10 until he proves his fitness and starts playing at top level again.

True... but he was still playing well before he was dropped due to a painful injury at the start of this year... not lack of form due to injury, so you would conclude next season that he'd be ready to roll again..

 

[Port01]

Originally posted by Vaul Darkhour


True... but he was still playing well before he was dropped due to a painful injury at the start of this year... not lack of form due to injury, so you would conclude next season that he'd be ready to roll again..

Back injury wasnt it?
That is why I am concerned, we had a player rated ahead of Tredrea in 97-98 retire this year because of back injuries.

But who knows, if he plays again he will be back in the top players list. Same as Wilson will be back in my best Port players list when he gets back on the ground.

Nothing against the guy or his talent.

 

[Darkhour]

Originally posted by Port01


Back injury wasnt it?
That is why I am concerned, we had a player rated ahead of Tredrea in 97-98 retire this year because of back injuries.

But who knows, if he plays again he will be back in the top players list. Same as Wilson will be back in my best Port players list when he gets back on the ground.

Nothing against the guy or his talent.

Thats the problem... Don't know how bad it is... strained, stress fractures etc.. it was bad enough for him to miss the rest of the year.. whether that was just a safeguard or not... he was still presented with Loewe's No. 23 at the end of the season.. so i think he must have been all cleared by the medico's to have been given an extended contract aswell....

i think it's something to do with he's growth... he's no up around the 200cm mark... thats one big key position player and now possibly ruckman....

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by Vaul Darkhour
i think it's something to do with he's growth... he's no up around the 200cm mark... thats one big key position player and now possibly ruckman....

Sudden growth spurts for footy players keeps them out of the game for a while.

When WC first recruited Travis Gaspar he was about 190 cm. Then in his first season he grew about 5cm which totally ****ed up his legs and for the past couple of seasons he's just had leg injury after leg injury. When it settles down though he'll be right. Same goes with the Kossie kid.

 

[snakebite01]

Originally posted by Macca19


Even Mcleod back in 1995, John**** aint half as good. Mcleod always had that something and i could always tell he was gonna one day become a superstar. I dont think John**** will become anymore than a good solid player - sort of like a Montgomery. A very good player but not a superstar.

I cant see how they had similar starts. Mcleod won a match in his second game. John**** aint down that yet.

Come on Macca, no one could tell McLeod was going to be a superstar midfielder. Up until 6 rounds into 1997 he was playing as a half-forward who got a couple of goals a game. The when Blighty moved him to half-back he showed his true dash. When he was in his first season McLeod was called a livewire but that was it - no talk of becoming a champion.

John**** won't become a player like McLeod, no one becomes a player like McLeod. But he has the potential, when he starts playing full games next season to become a decent half-back player in the mould of a Riccuito who can go forward and kick goals and next season we might even see him involved in the midfield rotation.

 

[The Pugilist]

Top 30 Under 20

These aren’t the Top 30 now. These are my Top 30 for the future :

Top 30 for the future under 20's * :

* Still 19 or younger before end of the end of home and away season

1. Nick Riewoldt (StK)
2. Luke Hodge (Haw)
3. Chris Judd (WCE)
4. Luke Ball (StK) – going on potential only
5. Daniel Kerr (WCE)
6. Justin Koschitzche (StK)
7. Graham Polak (Freo)
8. Shaun Burgoyne (Port)
9. Jason Cloke (Coll)
10. Alan Didak (Coll)
12. Xavier Clarke (StK)
13. Sam Power (WB)
14. Ashley Sampi (WCE)
15. Andrew MacDougall (WCE)
16. Ryan Lonie (Coll)
17. Mark Coughlan (Rich)
18. Richard Cole (Coll)
20. Kane Cornes (Port)
21. Campbell Brown (Haw)
22. Jamie Charman (Bris)
23. Daniel Motlop (Nth)
24. Steven Armstrong (Melb)
25. Nick Del Santo (StK)
26. David Rodan (Rich)
27. James Bartel (Geel)
28. James Kelly (Geel)
29. Jordan McMhaon (WB)
30. Luke Livingston (Carl)

 

[Rohan_]

Originally posted by stefoid


I wouldnt take 2 Ryan Lonies or Jason Clokes for Robert Murphy.

That's why your side failed to make the finals..