Opinion Top 5 Most Overrated Players Of All Time

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Bundy_28 said:
this is a prime example of the fierce competitive toughness coming from the fingertips of a desktop low life individual. I know words such a pussy may get some pot bellied men a little high strung but if you are trying to insult me in any way, unfortunately for your sake...it won't do any good whatsoever especially coming from a Hawthorn supporter.

The very fact you felt the need to respond means you take this internet stuff just a little too seriously and perhaps it's about time to do something constructive by clicking Start -----> Shut Down and go mow the lawns as Mum or the Mrs asked 3 months ago now.
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If you don't like it, don't post. You are here doing the exact same thing. If these sort of things aren't what you want to read, don't read them. No one is forcing you to.
Forums are meant for discussion, and different opinions. That is what is going on here.
 
Bundy_28 said:
These threads are absolutely ridiculous!

You have computer nerds (who's only worry on a daily basis it to think of what to do when you wake up each and every morning) judging the careers of men who went through blood sweat and tears to make a name for themselves on the footy field and have it questioned by today's desktop hard-men.
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welcome to the internet!!


Oliver09 said:
One of the things I admired him for was his attitude to taggers, mess with me & i'll belt you. Williams on the whole was a ball player who belted blokes that were belting him, nothing wrong with that, should be more of it.
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disagree dude. I saw him go after players off the ball on more than a couple of occasions. that was fine in the 80's but he was doing it into the 90's. I'm not talking a cheeky bump or hip'n'shoulder with the ball in play. downright dirty off camera stuff like Libba. I won't elaborate, but if you ever get the chance, ask Sean Denham what he thinks of Diesel.
 
Monkey King said:
You can keep your opinion. I watched a hell of a lot of Diesel and your comments just don't match the player at all. Ten metre handball? The guy could fire them off 25m pack deep on to a running blokes chest and was actually a superb kick early on as well.
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*sigh*

I'll try and sum it up in a nifty sentence that you can't pick apart and take literally:

Diesel was a great player, but was overrated. he got a lot of the ball, had alot of disposals, but many of those disposals weren't bullet handballs travelling 25 metres with the drift of play. over the course of his career he didn't impact the games he played in as much as his reputation would suggest; in fact there are many players who played a larger part in their teams success than he did. for that reason I think he was overrated.
he was the beginning of the 'possession' era, in which getting the ball 30 times was seen by the likes of the TV statisticians as just as, or more important, than kicking 3 goals in the 3rd quarter that changes the momentum of the game. do you get the point I'm trying to make?

But I look at your team and it makes a lot more sense. No love lost for Diesel from Dons fans.
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well that's more to do with the fact that he was a dirty sniper, but whatever.... we're not talking about the character of the man in this thread; it's about someone's reputation exceeding their actual skills. and Diesel is that man. now Kouta on the other hand......
 

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Coldacre said:
*sigh*

I'll try and sum it up in a nifty sentence that you can't pick apart and take literally:
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You don't need to sum it up mate. I saw a lot of Williams and I'm just never going to agree with you. Read Oliver09's post to get my drift. You're entitled to your opinion, but some of the things you've said about the player are just not true IMO.

Coldacre said:
he was the beginning of the 'possession' era, in which getting the ball 30 times was seen by the likes of the TV statisticians as just as, or more important, than kicking 3 goals in the 3rd quarter that changes the momentum of the game. do you get the point I'm trying to make?
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I don't get it at all. He'd won an MVP (peer recognition) and amazed his more senior teammates in a way they still talk about today well before the media caught on. Seems you're dealing mainly in concepts, whereas I'm just dealing with the player I saw compared to all the other players I've seen.

FWIW disposals in the 80's were hard fought and Diesel got plenty of his the hard way and usually disposed of them really well; sometimes as creatively as you'd ever wish to see. He'd get 30+ touches and kick 3+ goals often enough and once he got 50+ disposals and 6 goals, not to mention those he'd set up. So yeah ... I don't get your point at all. You're trying to sell some concept about Williams' that just doesn't correlate with the player I so often watched.
 
Smell The Glove said:
Current/recent players (ie. not of all time)

Matthew Richardson
Matthew Lloyd (without Hird, Lloyd would have been an OK FF at best)
Brendan Fevola
Mark Riccuito
Nick Riewoldt (although this year I've been impressed)
Glen Jakovich (wasnt even the best Jakovich and his match ups with Carey were overhyped)
Jonathan Brown
Jason Akermanis
Adam Goodes
Warren Tredrea

and some more I've probably missed.

All good players, but all have been hyped up beyond their actual performances at some stage.
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Extraordinary list/ claims.. :rolleyes: Your opinion has bruised your credibility for having much understanding about AFL. Some of fools who listed Daisy Thomas & Boomer Harvey are muppets. Clueless. :rolleyes:
 
Bundy_28 said:
These threads are absolutely ridiculous!

You have computer nerds (who's only worry on a daily basis it to think of what to do when you wake up each and every morning) judging the careers of men who went through blood sweat and tears to make a name for themselves on the footy field and have it questioned by today's desktop hard-men.
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:thumbsu: Great call.. keyboard warriors who are buffoons in the real world! :)
 
muttley45 said:
wayne carey,over rated hardly,the best ever CHF,with rules regarding holding,blocking,and arm chopping as they are today he would have kicked 200 goals in a season,

dont agree with gazza being here either,

your credibility is zilch
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Royce Hart, Alex Jesaulenko, Darrel Baldock, all played in tougher eras when there was less hype and no Bwooce to drool over them. Sure, different eras, but each has a case for being the best CHF of all time.
 
terryo said:
Royce Hart, Alex Jesaulenko, Darrel Baldock, all played in tougher eras when there was less hype and no Bwooce to drool over them. Sure, different eras, but each has a case for being the best CHF of all time.
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Icould add ron Clegg, and Bob Pratt who DID kick 150 goals frm CHF, a record equalled by Peter Hudson, AFF.
 
The most overrated player of all time that I can think of would probably be Simon Madden.

Yes he was a great player but as someone who saw him play most of the time, he had a tendency to only play well when the rest of the team was playing well. He was never the type of player who you could rely on when the chips were down. Tim Watson and Leon Baker were the match winners who could turn a game. Madden tended to follow the trend of the team.

Mike Fitzpatrick/Peter Moore were inspirational ruckmen/leaders who could lead their team out of trouble.

Another interesting fact. Madden won the Norm Smith in 85. Does anyone remember who is opponent was that day? A young Chris Langford who the Hawks were experimenting with by using him in the ruck. If he had been playing on a quality opponent then it would have been a different story.

Madden also had a tendency to pick up Brownlow votes when he played mediocre.

I think the best thing Sheedy did was strip him of the captaincy. I also think that he could have kicked 100 goals in a season if he was played as a permanent full forward.

Overall Simon Madden was a great player but not quite as great as he was made out to be. To compare him to Tim Watson or Terry Daniher would be very unfair.
 
eliminator28 said:
Heres my list

1. Dale Thomas
2. Brad Johnson
3. Chris Tarrant
4. Matthew Lloyd
5. Gary Ablett Jnr.

Gary Ablett being on the list will probably be a bit controversial but he is over hyped because of Gary Snr. but after all its opinion. Ok i took wayne carey off i admit i made a mistake
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What a shocker. However I always thought Sandilands was overrated. Always injured, never shown brilliant prowess on another part of the ground, and he's being toted as one of the best players in the comp. Ridiculous. Mike Sheahean strikes again.
 
1. Brad Johnson- Did he ever play a good game in game that counted?
2. Robert Harvey- Bit harsh, but never really impacted the result of a game. (except final v crows in '05)
3. Mark Bickley- HOF, please.....
4. Kevin Bartlett- cheat, squib, can't play 400+ games if you win your own ball)
5. Leigh Matthews - best ever? please... not in the same class as Carey, Ablett, Lockett
 

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Watson_my_mind said:
4) James Podsiadly
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Yeah I thought about putting Pods in there but picking 2 big forwards already is enough.
Plus he's nowhere near as overrated as Gumbleton.
 
Stephen Silvagni Kelvin Moore would crap on him given his record
Wayne Carey Dermott Brereton 5 night and 5 day premirships and one with four busted ribs.
Michael Voss plenty ahead of him including his coach
Gary Ablett Snr Freakish but didn't sustain efforts. Thug also just ask Dipper 89 GF
James Hird was beaten by Shane Crawford at Waverley one day and Crawf was 6 inches shorter.
 
hawkeye52 said:
Stephen Silvagni Kelvin Moore would crap on him given his record
Wayne Carey Dermott Brereton 5 night and 5 day premirships and one with four busted ribs.
Michael Voss plenty ahead of him including his coach
Gary Ablett Snr Freakish but didn't sustain efforts. Thug also just ask Dipper 89 GF
James Hird was beaten by Shane Crawford at Waverley one day and Crawf was 6 inches shorter.
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I laughed at this a little too hard. So almost every example you use, a hawthorn player is better? Righto mate.
 
is it just me or is Leigh Matthews considered overrated?

I never saw him play so I can't say he is or he isn't but I seen quite a few old VHS matches and he just didn't dominate games as much as what I thought he'd do considering his tag as the best of them all.
I know he was a pocket/ruck rover specialist but he seemed to play more at full-forward than ruck roving and given it was VFL, he only had to contend with 11 different teams every week whereas other notable greats such as Carey had to compete (and beat) the best players from interstate squads.
 
footscore said:
is it just me or is Leigh Matthews considered overrated?

I never saw him play so I can't say he is or he isn't but I seen quite a few old VHS matches and he just didn't dominate games as much as what I thought he'd do considering his tag as the best of them all.
I know he was a pocket/ruck rover specialist but he seemed to play more at full-forward than ruck roving and given it was VFL, he only had to contend with 11 different teams every week whereas other notable greats such as Carey had to compete (and beat) the best players from interstate squads.
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great player but a thug so it's hard to rate him as high as he should be
 

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