Current Trial Toyah Cordingley * Murder Trial of Rajwinder Singh

[BFew]

It’s strange that the BF lost his dog on the day of TC’s murder and spent hours into the night looking but didn’t find him, then found him two days later.

Do you have a source for Jersey the dog being found 2 days later?

 

[Underarrest_]

Do you have a source for Jersey the dog being found 2 days later?

Oh geez I thought it was an article on here. I’ll have a look but was in the pre trial.

 

[Underarrest_]

Oh geez I thought it was an article on here. I’ll have a look but was in the pre trial.

Post 359, The Cairns Post “Mr Angus grilled Mr Cuman about the trip to Spring Creek Falls, and took him to task saying he hadn’t mentioned to police that he had returned to Spring Creek Falls on October 23 and retrieved Jersey.”

 

[BFew]

Post 359, The Cairns Post “Mr Angus grilled Mr Cuman about the trip to Spring Creek Falls, and took him to task saying he hadn’t mentioned to police that he had returned to Spring Creek Falls on October 23 and retrieved Jersey.”

I misread (no joke) that quote of mine as him having retrieved his clothing (a Jersey/top) from Spring Creek Fall.

The whole Jersey episode sounds really sus.

 

[Underarrest_]

I misread (no joke) that quote of mine as him having retrieved his clothing (a Jersey/top) from Spring Creek Fall.

The whole Jersey episode sounds really sus.

Really sus. I’ve never quite got the bit about TC’s dog tied up close to her neither instead of him being loose. Just another way for them to easily find her and if they tied him up because they thought he’d be vicious I’d think they would have been too scared to go near him and tie him up. It’s all bizarre.

 

[BFew]

Really sus. I’ve never quite got the bit about TC’s dog tied up close to her neither instead of him being loose. Just another way for them to easily find her and if they tied him up because they thought he’d be vicious I’d think they would have been too scared to go near him and tie him up. It’s all bizarre.

If Jersey (Marco's dog) had been with Marco when he allegedly stopped off at the beach on the way back to Cairns from allegedly being further North of the beach that day, you'd think that with Jersey and Indie also likely being canine buddies, that Jersey would have picked up Indie's scent not long after Marco and Jersey would have got out the car at the beach car park. And shortly thereafter have ran off or led Marco to where Indie was tied up (assuming Indie was tied up at that time) and then onto where Toyah was half buried in the sand nearby to where Indie was tied up.

In this scenario, Toyah's DNA or blood might have got onto Marco's dog Jersey, and vice versa for Marco's dog Jersey's DNA have gotten onto Toyah. Unless Jersey was kept on a tight leash or left in the car or tied up in the car park/beach whilst Marco searched.

Although with the relationship between all four of them (including the 2 dogs), all of each other's DNA, hairs and possibly clothing fibres were probably on/in each others bodies, clothing, cars and other belongings to begin with as part of day to day living.

Albeit with Toyah being unclothed, (hypothetically) had Jersey's DNA or saliva been found on Toyah's naked skin on parts that were normally clothed, that might have provided good evidence of when any DNA got deposited there.

 

[madjoe]

Do you have a source for Jersey the dog being found 2 days later?

Locals described many of them as 'odd bods' who got up to 'deviant' sexual acts in the sand dunes where Ms Cordingley's body was found. Police said the young woman's murder was 'sexually motivated' and she suffered 'visible and violent injuries' in her murder.

they had locals take dna tests as they had a sample taken from her with unknown DNA Which clearly matchs singh.

 

[Underarrest_]

not sure if you are all there you quoted yourself 3 times champ and dribbling non stop each page.

Locals described many of them as 'odd bods' who got up to 'deviant' sexual acts in the sand dunes where Ms Cordingley's body was found. Police said the young woman's murder was 'sexually motivated' and she suffered 'visible and violent injuries' in her murder.

they had locals take dna tests as they had a sample taken from her with unknown DNA Which clearly matchs singh.

You’re entitled to your opinion about this case but some might like to assume innocent until found guilty, and discuss other possibilities. Why insult people? It’s the pot calling the kettle black, madjoe.

 

[Underarrest_]

If Jersey (Marco's dog) had been with Marco when he allegedly stopped off at the beach on the way back to Cairns from allegedly being further North of the beach that day, you'd think that with Jersey and Indie also likely being canine buddies, that Jersey would have picked up Indie's scent not long after Marco and Jersey would have got out the car at the beach car park. And shortly thereafter have ran off or led Marco to where Indie was tied up (assuming Indie was tied up at that time) and then onto where Toyah was half buried in the sand nearby to where Indie was tied up.

In this scenario, Toyah's DNA or blood might have got onto Marco's dog Jersey, and vice versa for Marco's dog Jersey's DNA have gotten onto Toyah. Unless Jersey was kept on a tight leash or left in the car or tied up in the car park/beach whilst Marco searched.

Although with the relationship between all four of them (including the 2 dogs), all of each other's DNA, hairs and possibly clothing fibres were probably on/in each others bodies, clothing, cars and other belongings to begin with as part of day to day living.

Albeit with Toyah being unclothed, (hypothetically) had Jersey's DNA or saliva been found on Toyah's naked skin on parts that were normally clothed, that might have provided good evidence of when any DNA got deposited there.

BF wasn’t able to find TC even though he knew she must have been there if her car was. TC’s family soon found the dog and then TC. If the BF’s story of allegedly losing the dog, finding TC’s deserted car, not being able to find TC then her being found murdered, then finding a text that she was picking up some guy from the airport, is genuine the BF had a very bad day.

 

[BFew]

BF wasn’t able to find TC even though he knew she must have been there if her car was.

Maybe he thought Toyah and Indie had been taken out to sea by Crocs lurking in the shallows.

I wonder how extensively Police secured the crime scene and then took evidence of all the foot/footwear prints on the beach to attempt to verify the witness statements from all the POI and potential witnesses.

Particularly prints near to Toyah's body, and where Indie the dog was tied up.

And whether there was any evidence of anyone attempting to remove the foot/footwear prints.

 

[BFew]

... they had a sample taken from her with unknown DNA ...

Do you have a source or link for the above?

How wide is your definition of "her"?

Did you mean to write "her" dog (Indie) or "her" dog's lead?

Or was/is there a news article, news video or Police media conference that said that there was unknown DNA found on Toyah's body or clothing (she was reported to have been found naked)?

 

[BFew]

I read somewhere that they're hoping to find Toyah's mobile phone, keys and items of clothing.

Just came across a specific reference to Toyah's missing purse and phone, that have never been specifically reported to have been found.

Residents undergo DNA testing as hunt for Toyah Cordingley's killer continues

Residents of a small beachside community in far north Queensland are being swabbed for DNA as police continue to search for a young woman's killer.

www.abc.net.au

'Toyah Cordingley's killer still unknown as police carry out DNA testing on Wangetti residents'​

'Posted Wed 24 Oct 2018 at 4:00pmWednesday 24 Oct 2018 at 4:00pm, updated Wed 24 Oct 2018 at 10:01pm

Residents of a small beachside community in far north Queensland are undergoing DNA testing as police search for a young woman's killer.
...
A police spokesman confirmed the testing was "standard procedure".
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Police divers have been searching the ocean and forensics officers from Brisbane have been scouring the crime scene, looking for any personal items belonging to Ms Cordingley, including a purse and a phone, the ABC understands.
...'

 

[craffles]

This is getting really interesting. For the police to pay out the reward already they must be extremely confident of a conviction but we all know how reliable QPOL are with DNA.

Looking forward to more coming out as the trial goes on and hopefully being able to give TC family so peace. Can’t imagine how traumatising it is to hear defence lawyers drag every skeleton out of your lost family member, particurlarly child’s closet.

 

[BomberManU]

This is getting really interesting. For the police to pay out the reward already they must be extremely confident of a conviction but we all know how reliable QPOL are with DNA.

Looking forward to more coming out as the trial goes on and hopefully being able to give TC family so peace. Can’t imagine how traumatising it is to hear defence lawyers drag every skeleton out of your lost family member, particurlarly child’s closet.

I think the reward was specific to Singh, wasn't it?

 

[craffles]

I think the reward was specific to Singh, wasn't it?

Not sure. Usually it’s linked to a conviction. Would look it up but cbf

 

[faible]

I think the reward was specific to Singh, wasn't it?

Not sure. Usually it’s linked to a conviction. Would look it up but cbf

$1m reward paid in full following arrest of Toyah Cordingley's alleged killer, police say

Queensland police have confirmed that the largest reward in the state's history has been paid out after the apprehension of Rajwinder Singh, who is accused of the 2018 murder of Toyah Cordingley.

www.abc.net.au

in November 2022, the Queensland Police Service (QPS) and the Australian High Commissioner to India announced a $1 million reward for information leading to the location and arrest of Rajwinder Singh, 39.

Doesn't seem like it was related to a conviction, just the arrest.

 

[Pamcake1]

If Jersey (Marco's dog) had been with Marco when he allegedly stopped off at the beach on the way back to Cairns from allegedly being further North of the beach that day, you'd think that with Jersey and Indie also likely being canine buddies, that Jersey would have picked up Indie's scent not long after Marco and Jersey would have got out the car at the beach car park. And shortly thereafter have ran off or led Marco to where Indie was tied up (assuming Indie was tied up at that time) and then onto where Toyah was half buried in the sand nearby to where Indie was tied up.

In this scenario, Toyah's DNA or blood might have got onto Marco's dog Jersey, and vice versa for Marco's dog Jersey's DNA have gotten onto Toyah. Unless Jersey was kept on a tight leash or left in the car or tied up in the car park/beach whilst Marco searched.

Although with the relationship between all four of them (including the 2 dogs), all of each other's DNA, hairs and possibly clothing fibres were probably on/in each others bodies, clothing, cars and other belongings to begin with as part of day to day living.

Albeit with Toyah being unclothed, (hypothetically) had Jersey's DNA or saliva been found on Toyah's naked skin on parts that were normally clothed, that might have provided good evidence of when any DNA got deposited there.

Hard to imagine how any of that could possibly happen, if the dog Jersey wasn't retrived until 2 days afterwards.

 

[craffles]

$1m reward paid in full following arrest of Toyah Cordingley's alleged killer, police say

Queensland police have confirmed that the largest reward in the state's history has been paid out after the apprehension of Rajwinder Singh, who is accused of the 2018 murder of Toyah Cordingley.

www.abc.net.au

Doesn't seem like it was related to a conviction, just the arrest.

Thank you sir, doing gods work.

Up the dons.

 

[BFew]

Over in another BF thread/Sydney Court today, we have Day one of the trial defence's case being based around the accused murderer claiming that he only disposed of the body, and naming his fiancé (the mother of the murdered 9yo) as being the murderer.

Looks like this Justin Stein (accused) case will give us a good indication of some of the order/process for Singh doing likewise (naming a different murderer) in a QLD court in a few months time.

Current Trial - The Murder of 9yo Charlise Mutten - Blue Mountains * Justin Stein Sentenced to Life in Prison

UPDATE: Justin Stein has been arrested and charged with the murder of Charlise. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/major-search-for-young-girl-missing-in-blue-mountains/news-story/6d2f8979852cd21652b9fbde77af6863 Only just heard about this.

www.bigfooty.com

 

[BFew]

This case is back in Court today for a pre-trial hearing. With cross examination of the Prosecution's DNA expert.

The Cairns Post

The Cairns Post

www.cairnspost.com.au

Scientist Jayshree Patel gives evidence in relation to Toyah Cordingley’s upcoming murder trial​

A senior forensic scientist has testified she was confident her report on eight DNA samples taken from the body of slain Cairns woman Toyah Cordingley and from wood nearby was accurate.

Bronwyn Farr

June 3, 2024 - 1:04PM
The Cairns Post
'...
DNA samples taken from Toyah’s hands, feet, a sports shoe and a branch and a stick.
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DNA was analysed in 2018 and in 2023 at her laboratory.

there was a degradation index and DNA from Toyah’s fingernails, tested in 2018 and 2019, had an index value of 8.35.

“Anything greater than 10 in our laboratory implies poor quality, so it was just on borderline, anything less than 10 is acceptable,” she said.

She said the DNA was tested twice independently.

“I am confident the result we got at the end is good to use because of all the checks,” Dr Patel said.

Mr Edwards asked her if the results were infallible.

“If there had been a problem I would have said that in my report, I have trust in the results we’ve reported,” she responded.

“I am asking if there is no room for error and it is infallible,” Mr Edwards persisted.

“I don’t think I would go that far, in this particular case I think the results are fine, I’m confident.”

Mr Singh, dressed in a blue suit and white turban, sat attentively in the dock, taking extensive notes in a black folder.

He is yet to enter a plea but a trial date of July 22 has been set.

Ms Patel described that extracts from two finger nails had “red brown staining”.
...'

 

[BomberManU]

DNA found under Toyah's fingernails NOT a match to Singh.

DNA of 'unknown' person found under murdered woman's fingernails, court hears

A forensic scientist says the DNA of two people — Toyah Cordingley and an unknown person — was found on the young woman's fingernail clippings.

www.abc.net.au

 

[craffles]

DNA found under Toyah's fingernails NOT a match to Singh.

DNA of 'unknown' person found under murdered woman's fingernails, court hears

A forensic scientist says the DNA of two people — Toyah Cordingley and an unknown person — was found on the young woman's fingernail clippings.

www.abc.net.au

Wow. This is absolutely massive.

 

[BomberManU]

There is a hell of a lot of doubt around this case. We need to see the evidence on Singh first, of course.

 

[BFew]

DNA found under Toyah's fingernails NOT a match to Singh.

DNA of 'unknown' person found under murdered woman's fingernails, court hears

A forensic scientist says the DNA of two people — Toyah Cordingley and an unknown person — was found on the young woman's fingernail clippings.

www.abc.net.au

'Ms Patel said some results were "just on the borderline" of degradation but that she was able to "clean" some of the samples that a Queensland laboratory had found to be too degraded.

"What you can do is do some clean-up steps which can improve the quality of the sample," she told the court.

She said she was confident in her results but was unable to explain why the samples were of a low quality.'

I recall the recent Royal Commission findings into the QLD DNA lab revealed how some of the crime DNA samples were rendered unusable by what the lab did.

Someone can dig up this part of the findings and media reporting on the evidence/findings for this at the Royal Commission.

 

[Kurve]

Singh said he saw two men ....