Current Trial Toyah Cordingley * Murder Trial of Rajwinder Singh

[Dockers2024]

Agree, very strange.
This brings me to the question of why police extradited Singh when they don’t even have DNA evidence on him.

Only way to get key witness back into oz- charge him on beefed up evidence, offer reward. Publicly to make charge and extradition look legitimate cops need to continue this narrative that will ultimately benefit Indian bloke as he left everything behind inc family. Cops probably don't want to make a habit of laying charges on people with little evidence. In this case he looks sus leaving the country and was in the area but had to charge him attach reward to secure key witness critical to possibly convicting 2 people. Indian govt would support this plan knowing that it is in Indian bloke's best interests. Funny how extradition process moved quickly after they found him. There is probably some sort or understanding between all of the above and reward compo attached.

 

[Dockers2024]

I think he was on a flight that day, but does he or the BF know Singh?
Will be interesting what Singh has to say about how he became a victim in a murder that according to him, he wasn’t involved in and had to leave the country/job/family and disappear.

key witness to murder then threatened by desperate, proven person/people that are willing to kill. Any threat to him or his family would have to have been taken seriously hence he fled probably to protect them. He also may of had little confidence that oz authorities would treat him fairly, given he was in the area he would have been worried that this may have been pinned on him regardless of whether he stayed or left.

 

[Dockers2024]

Yeah, it's all very strange. If the BF was involved and Singh is innocent, he must at least know who Singh is - why would he need to leave the country otherwise? Not saying this is the case, but no matter which way you look at it, there are some odd circumstances.

Singh a threatened murder witness with little confidence or trust in Oz authorities. For me the logical decision would be to hide in Indian to protect himself and family. The reward to find singh got things moving and ultimately will benefit him in the long run

 

[Underarrest_]

key witness to murder then threatened by desperate, proven person/people that are willing to kill. Any threat to him or his family would have to have been taken seriously hence he fled probably to protect them. He also may of had little confidence that oz authorities would treat him fairly, given he was in the area he would have been worried that this may have been pinned on him regardless of whether he stayed or left.

Possibly, but why go to all that trouble? Couldn’t police have just charged the real offender and called Singh as a witness?

 

[Underarrest_]

Singh a threatened murder witness with little confidence or trust in Oz authorities. For me the logical decision would be to hide in Indian to protect himself and family. The reward to find singh got things moving and ultimately will benefit him in the long run

I’m not buying the hiding to protect his family. This would mean the offenders at large and his family who are known to the public live in Innisfail.

 

[Dockers2024]

Agree, very strange.
This brings me to the question of why police extradited Singh when they don’t even have DNA evidence on him.

key witness critical to case -only way to get him back to oz was to charge him and attach reward. The cops need to maintain this singh charge narrative- to divert attention/heat away from perpetrators, keep witness singh safe and maintain credibility. Cops right from outset would have been all over it with little doubt as to who did this. To secure conviction key witness singh had to return.

 

[BFew]

I’m not buying the hiding to protect his family. This would mean the offenders at large and his family who are known to the public live in Innisfail.

Maybe some parallels with Toyah's pedo boyfriend connection to the Toyah murder case, with Police finding incriminating child sex abuse material in his possession during investigations.

Singh might have feared that Police would have uncovered things about him (nothing directly to do with the Toyah case), possibly to do with why he was on that beach, that might have incriminated him, resulted in him being booted out of Australia, or charged for whatever they might have found, destroyed his reputation, lost him his job, and/or resulted in the destruction of his marriage and possibly shame on his family (in both India and Australia).

 

[Underarrest_]

key witness critical to case -only way to get him back to oz was to charge him and attach reward. The cops need to maintain this singh charge narrative- to divert attention/heat away from perpetrators, keep witness singh safe and maintain credibility. Cops right from outset would have been all over it with little doubt as to who did this. To secure conviction key witness singh had to return.

Possibly, has this type of thing happened before that you know of?

 

[BFew]

Possibly, has this type of thing happened before that you know of?

We are talking about QLD here.
The State of foresic DNA/justice disaster.
Nothing would surprise me that involves QLD Justice system.

 

[Underarrest_]

We are talking about QLD here.
The State of foresic DNA/justice disaster.
Nothing would surprise me that involves QLD Justice system.

The two totally different opinions about the DNA from experts says it all.

 

[Dockers2024]

Possibly, but why go to all that trouble? Couldn’t police have just charged the real offender and called Singh as a witness?

more confident of conviction with all evidence also possibly 2 offenders- 1 without motive and hard to convict. Cops will always wait until all bases are covered, all lines of inquiry followed, all evidence gathered until they charge someone. How long it takes is not considered. Not sure cops could charge someone with key witness Singh nowhere to be seen- if they don't find him the trial that would follow the charge could fail and that's a risk. Given that singh looks sus by leaving oz the defence case on real offender has doubt. Singh not keen to come back unless perpetrators no longer a threat. If no charges are laid there is still a threat to him. The case is much stronger with singh back and there needed to be certainty before progressing.

 

[Dockers2024]

The two totally different opinions about the DNA from experts says it all.

Singh has been in India so I doubt they have cross checked DNA- They charged him then attached a reward as strategy to get him back to oz.

 

[Underarrest_]

more confident of conviction with all evidence also possibly 2 offenders- 1 without motive and hard to convict. Cops will always wait until all bases are covered, all lines of inquiry followed, all evidence gathered until they charge someone. How long it takes is not considered. Not sure cops could charge someone with key witness Singh nowhere to be seen- if they don't find him the trial that would follow the charge could fail and that's a risk. Given that singh looks sus by leaving oz the defence case on real offender has doubt. Singh not keen to come back unless perpetrators no longer a threat. If no charges are laid there is still a threat to him. The case is much stronger with singh back and there needed to be certainty before progressing.

Ok I’ll keep an open mind. Anything’s possible after this stage.

Singh has been in India so I doubt they have cross checked DNA- They charged him then attached a reward as strategy to get him back to oz.

Couldn’t they test his DNA through family members or if his DNA was already in the system.

 

[BFew]

Couldn’t they test his DNA through family members or if his DNA was already in the system.

And through any hairs left behind in his QLD home and/or his clothing or razor
Or from his toothbrush.

 

[Dockers2024]

Maybe some parallels with Toyah's pedo boyfriend connection to the Toyah murder case, with Police finding incriminating child sex abuse material in his possession during investigations.

Singh might have feared that Police would have uncovered things about him (nothing directly to do with the Toyah case), possibly to do with why he was on that beach, that might have incriminated him, resulted in him being booted out of Australia, or charged for whatever they might have found, destroyed his reputation, lost him his job, and/or resulted in the destruction of his marriage and possibly shame on his family (in both India and Australia).

Singh probably had little trust in oz authorities to protect him and investigate the case fully.
He probably had more trust in the threats from the perpetrators given what they had done in his presence.
Perpetrators have no interest in singh family if he's in india looking like sus guilty man. As long as singh is away then all is sweet- Singh used by perpectrators to deflect blame, by threatening him to leave and in doing so making him look sus, Perpetrators counting on singh not coming back. Oz cops had other ideas, they got singh back and now truth will come out. .

 

[Dockers2024]

Ok I’ll keep an open mind. Anything’s possible after this stage.

Couldn’t they test his DNA through family members or if his DNA was already in the system.

From the outset cops know who it was, the DNA in regards to him is unnecessary as other suspects known are tested- what they need is all the evidence and that includes singh statement. If 2 perpetrators are present as singh said then potentially DNA cross checking with unwilling or unknown suspects can be done and legally. Singh statement critical to progress case

 

[Dockers2024]

The two totally different opinions about the DNA from experts says it all.

This may have something to do with giving credibility to a fake extradition You hear a lot of contradictory stuff on this case in the media and there would be reasons for this. Very little if any any media on bombshell stuff in 1st court appearance that strongly suggests the case is heading in a completely different direction.

 

[Dockers2024]

Possibly, has this type of thing happened before that you know of?

no unprecedented - he looks as sus as, wasn't helping so cops took adopted brilliant strategy that could be justified and that THey knew would have a positive result for singh. The reward gave police links to Singh in India and police then gained trust through associates interested in money. Some sort of deal may have been made between police and singh to ensure justice and also protect police image. This murder charge used to get him back needs to play out and process needs to be followed. Charging someone for murder and then successfully extraditing them to another country would be an extremely difficult, lengthy process that would need strong evidence. In this case there now appears to be little on him and more on others. The extradition of singh is clearly in everyone's best interests including himself which is why things have moved quickly since they found him.

their key witness critical to case -only way to get him back to oz was to charge him and attach reward. The cops need to maintain this singh charge narrative- to divert attention/heat away from perpetrators, keep witness singh safe and maintain credibility. Cops right from outset would have been all over it with little doubt as to who did this. To secure conviction key witness singh had to return.

indian govt supported extradition, even singh not interested in fighting extradition.

key witness to murder then threatened by desperate, proven person/people that are willing to kill. Any threat to him or his family would have to have been taken seriously hence he fled probably to protect them. He also may of had little confidence that oz authorities would treat him fairly, given he was in the area he would have been worried that this may have been pinned on him regardless of whether he stayed or left.

 

[Underarrest_]

no unprecedented - he looks as sus as, wasn't helping so cops took adopted brilliant strategy that could be justified and that THey knew would have a positive result for singh. The reward gave police links to Singh in India and police then gained trust through associates interested in money. Some sort of deal may have been made between police and singh to ensure justice and also protect police image. This murder charge used to get him back needs to play out and process needs to be followed. Charging someone for murder and then successfully extraditing them to another country would be an extremely difficult, lengthy process that would need strong evidence. In this case there now appears to be little on him and more on others. The extradition of singh is clearly in everyone's best interests including himself which is why things have moved quickly since they found him.

indian govt supported extradition, even singh not interested in fighting extradition.

The only problem with that is that when police first released the information and images of Singh leaving the airport, the media were on his families doorstep, showing his family and where they lived to the world. Innisfail is not a very big place. There’s no where to hide. There was no protection at all.
Surely he wasn’t going to risk his families protection and would have taken them with him or shipped them interstate.

 

[Underarrest_]

no unprecedented - he looks as sus as, wasn't helping so cops took adopted brilliant strategy that could be justified and that THey knew would have a positive result for singh. The reward gave police links to Singh in India and police then gained trust through associates interested in money. Some sort of deal may have been made between police and singh to ensure justice and also protect police image. This murder charge used to get him back needs to play out and process needs to be followed. Charging someone for murder and then successfully extraditing them to another country would be an extremely difficult, lengthy process that would need strong evidence. In this case there now appears to be little on him and more on others. The extradition of singh is clearly in everyone's best interests including himself which is why things have moved quickly since they found him.

indian govt supported extradition, even singh not interested in fighting extradition.

Could he possibly have had part but not all involvement but made a deal with authorities?

 

[Underarrest_]

Maybe some parallels with Toyah's pedo boyfriend connection to the Toyah murder case, with Police finding incriminating child sex abuse material in his possession during investigations.

Singh might have feared that Police would have uncovered things about him (nothing directly to do with the Toyah case), possibly to do with why he was on that beach, that might have incriminated him, resulted in him being booted out of Australia, or charged for whatever they might have found, destroyed his reputation, lost him his job, and/or resulted in the destruction of his marriage and possibly shame on his family (in both India and Australia).

Or could it be directly related to T’s case?

 

[BFew]

Or could it be directly related to T’s case?

Yes. It's possible Singh stalked her to the beach, but did not kill her from Cairns or somewhere along the route he'd seen her.

 

[Underarrest_]

Yes. It's possible Singh stalked her to the beach, but did not kill her from Cairns or somewhere along the route he'd seen her.

Possibly, police found several of her belongings at Lake Placid. Singh would probably go that way to get home. Could the police know he went that way or that he stopped at Lake Placid from CTV?

 

[Golden_6]

IF Singh had nothing to do with it, any theories on why he would leave the country?
Apart from the DNA in question, they also made vague reference to phone evidence - their phones were 'in proximity' of each other. They haven't elaborated on that, that I can see, but I wonder how close 'in proximity' is?

A simple explanation could be panic. We have no idea how individuals react to certain situations.

There’s also the possibility of him witnessing the murder, the culprits seeing/catching him and then attempting to plant his DNA on the victims body.

 

[BFew]

He said the defence was still working to proceed to trial on the set date of July 22.

Crown prosecutor Nathan Crane said he consented to the Basha.

Justice Henry set the date for a further pre-trial hearing for July 18 at 1.30pm.'

The next pre-trial hearing starts this afternoon.
This is going to be interesting.
Not sure if the trial is still scheduled to start on Monday.

The Cairns Post

The Cairns Post

www.cairnspost.com.au

'Police to be cross-examined at Rajwinder Singh pre-trial hearing​

Police officers are likely to be grilled by accused murderer Rajwinder Singh’s legal counsel over potential statements connected to Toyah Cordingley’s death.

Bronwyn Farr
July 18, 2024 - 10:54AM

Three police officers are expected to be cross-examined in an eleventh hour-pre-trial hearing for murder accused Rajwinder Singh in Cairns Supreme Court on Thursday.
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Defence barrister Angus Edwards KC said his instructing solicitors found out from a member of the media there was apparently a statement made by someone who was possibly the last person to see Ms Cordingley alive.
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“We found out there was a statement we had not been provided with, had not seen and were not told about it,” Mr Edwards previously told the court.

He said it did not form part of the brief of evidence the prosecution had provided Mr Singh’s legal team.

“We have concerns there may be additional material we have not been provided with … we have subpoenaed the media person in relation to the document they may have,” Mr Edwards said.

He said there was allegedly a statement from a person who saw Ms Cordingley walking on the beach with a man walking behind her, at 2.30pm, not long before she sent what would be her final text message, to her boyfriend Marco Heidenreich, at 3.17pm.

Mr Edwards said he wanted a further pre-trial hearing – known as a Basha inquiry – to cross-examine three police officers.

“We want to know what material is outstanding, we don’t want to be left in the dark until matters are disclosed by the media to us,” he said.

Justice Henry stated the Basha hearing was to properly test if there existed any further material.

The hearing is set for 1.30pm today.'