Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[JTCWBFC]

Its crazy money and if you consider Griffen is actually taking a pay cut to play for us then if a trade was to happen it would take a lot more then Griffen and pick 6 for us to trade Boyd

From GWS board, lol.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

WB/GWS/Carlton

Dogs get Boyd from & pick 19 from GWS

GWS get Griff & pick 6 from Dogs plus pick 7 from Carlton.

Carlton get Jaksch, Whiley from GWS & Jones, Tutt & pick 25ish from Dogs (assuming we can get that by trading Coons + a 3rd rounder to NM or Ess).

Not sure if we're paying overs or if Carlton would be happy with that though...

Plus if we get Boyd I would like to hang onto Jones to see how he goes when not the #1 forward target.

Not a bad effort at all. So it looks like this in terms of every club's net gain/loss:

Dogs get: Boyd, pick 19
Dogs give: Griffen, Jones, Tutt, pick 6, pick ~25

GWS get: Griffen, pick 6, pick 7
GWS give: Boyd, Jaksch, Whiley, 19

Carlton get: Jaksch, Whiley, Tutt, Jones, pick ~25
Carlton give: pick 7

I'd argue that we're getting destroyed, and Carlton are getting a bunch of average players for an ~18 pick downgrade, though.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Agree Boyd is the priority, but I'm not convinced at the Griffen + 6 offer if nothing is coming back the other way.

More just an interesting exercise than anything of substance; I'm just curious.

Curtly Hampton?

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Boyd + Haynes for Griffen + 6 + fringe/steak knives. If it has to be 26 so be it.

Upgrade our compo with Minson the only real chance we get into the first round again.

Think we should trade a 2 year stopgap in anycase, I'd be fine with Merrett on the cheap until we can work out another trade in later years or acquire a Free Agent.

Otherwise its McDonald at 27.

I'm not sure we'd be able to get another best 22 player from GWS on top of Boyd; Haynes isn't steak knives imo.

 

[Scully2Folau]

What late teen or early 20s picks do GWS have? or, we also are pretty shaky with tall defenders. Is there anyone aside from Frost at FWS we might want?

Nothing at the moment unless the Jaksch deal falls over:
19 - from Hawthorn, may go to Carlton
21 - gone to Brisbane for Patfull
24 - used on Jack Steele (academy selection)

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Curtly Hampton?

Igloo 's favourite player!

Does some nice things, but a lot of horrific things. Probably not interested.

 

[BRWB]

Agree Boyd is the priority, but I'm not convinced at the Griffen + 6 offer if nothing is coming back the other way.

More just an interesting exercise than anything of substance; I'm just curious.

Just can't see how we give up P6 and Griffen its massive overs.

I suppose negotiating is about finding what the other side wants.

GWS want to be competitive. But more than anything I think GWS want to protect their young list from vultures, it has to be their greatest fear. This Boyd scenario is their greatest fear, hence their 'steadfast' refusal to deal Boyd.

Paying Griffen's salary, as much as we can by putting it on this year's contract, frees up money to help them protect their list.

Offering say Cooney, and paying his salary as well, may also help.

Offering to take Scully and his ridiculous salary may be something to consider. Its left field but is it crazy?

We offer P6, Cooney and Griffen for Boyd and Scully and do some salary shit. Hey you guys wanted lateral, is it crazy?????

It's crazy isn't it..

 

[timtamWB]

Just can't see how we give up P6 and Griffen its massive overs.

I suppose negotiating is about finding what the other side wants.

GWS want to be competitive. But more than anything I think GWS want to protect their young list from vultures, it has to be their greatest fear. This Boyd scenario is their greatest fear, hence their 'steadfast' refusal to deal Boyd.

Paying Griffen's salary, as much as we can by putting it on this year's contract, frees up money to help them protect their list.

Offering say Cooney, and paying his salary as well, may also help.

Offering to take Scully and his ridiculous salary may be something to consider. Its left field but is it crazy?

We offer P6, Cooney and Griffen for Boyd and Scully and do some salary shit. Hey you guys wanted lateral, is it crazy?????

It's crazy isn't it..

No to Scully. He's just not that good, and definitely don't want to pay anything for him.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

Igloo 's favourite player!

Does some nice things, but a lot of horrific things. Probably not interested.

Had literally the worst game I've ever seen in rd23. Everything he touched turned to shit. However I've see him play well and with some older players around him, and if he was valued in the 20s, you'd at least look at it.

 

[Dogsman16]

I'm not sure we'd be able to get another best 22 player from GWS on top of Boyd; Haynes isn't steak knives imo.

Which player would you add from the GWS list for us to achieve a fair outcome (6 + Griff). Surely 6 + Griff is a bit overs from our end.

Could we say turn Corrs career around.

 

[Gmod23]

I think it will be a straight swap between the clubs. We think Boyd is worth more but GWS have to make this trade work or they look like bunnies. Giant bunnies in fact.

 

[BRWB]

No to Scully. He's just not that good, and definitely don't want to pay anything for him.

I don't care for Scully either, but its about creating cap space for them. I doubt they'd do it anyway Scully is the 'name' recruit.

 

[Some Idiot]

Wow

Look at purely from an objective business perspective.
It's a low risk high reward play for the giants, they get someone who they know can perform at the elite level, for a player who might be something or might be nothing. From our perspective it's a huge high risk high reward play, trading away our best player for an unproven 19 year old.

Why would we be the ones to throw in a sweetener when we're the ones taking all the risk?

 

[BRWB]

Look at purely from an objective business perspective.
It's a low risk high reward play for the giants, they get someone who they know can perform at the elite level, for a player who might be something or might be nothing. From our perspective it's a huge high risk high reward play, trading away our best player for an unproven 19 year old.

Why would we be the ones to throw in a sweetener when we're the ones taking all the risk?

Yeah I tend to agree. Still think us forward paying Griffen's salary could be very good negotiating angle.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Just can't see how we give up P6 and Griffen its massive overs.

I suppose negotiating is about finding what the other side wants.

GWS want to be competitive. But more than anything I think GWS want to protect their young list from vultures, it has to be their greatest fear. This Boyd scenario is their greatest fear, hence their 'steadfast' refusal to deal Boyd.

Paying Griffen's salary, as much as we can by putting it on this year's contract, frees up money to help them protect their list.

Offering say Cooney, and paying his salary as well, may also help.

Offering to take Scully and his ridiculous salary may be something to consider. Its left field but is it crazy?

We offer P6, Cooney and Griffen for Boyd and Scully and do some salary shit. Hey you guys wanted lateral, is it crazy?????

It's crazy isn't it..

Yes, it is.

Which player would you add from the GWS list for us to achieve a fair outcome (6 + Griff). Surely 6 + Griff is a bit overs from our end.

Yeah, that's my point. I don't think we get out of this without using pick 6, but I don't think I'm prepared to part with Griff + 6 if we're only getting Boyd back. I'm honestly not sure what GWS could add to make it more equitable as I get nowhere fast whenever I try to look at it (academy-committed picks make it tougher) - hence trying to get some ideas on a three-way trade where a nice little pick is coming back our way.

 

[wian]

Yes, it is.




Yeah, that's my point. I don't think we get out of this without using pick 6, but I don't think I'm prepared to part with Griff + 6 if we're only getting Boyd back. I'm honestly not sure what GWS could add to make it more equitable as I get nowhere fast whenever I try to look at it (academy-committed picks make it tougher) - hence trying to get some ideas on a three-way trade where a nice little pick is coming back our way.

In the presser they released on Boyd, GWS said that they hope to get some very good picks ( Presumably pick 7) , so thats why we take picks 4 and 7 and make like arse bandits and run !!

Much better in the long run i reckon, especially if we are patient and have a real crack at free agents etc next off season

 

[immortalmike]

I'm glad nobody on this board is negotiating for us. Blinking far too quickly.
Straight swap is the offer...and we await the response.

 

[BRWB]

Yes, it is.




Yeah, that's my point. I don't think we get out of this without using pick 6, but I don't think I'm prepared to part with Griff + 6 if we're only getting Boyd back. I'm honestly not sure what GWS could add to make it more equitable as I get nowhere fast whenever I try to look at it (academy-committed picks make it tougher) - hence trying to get some ideas on a three-way trade where a nice little pick is coming back our way.

Some sort of deal involving Minson P27, P26 to Geelong for P14, GWS give us Giles and get P6. Geelong may also give us their 2nd rounder. Hasn't Wells been keen on these sort of deals before?

 

[BRWB]

I'm glad nobody on this board is negotiating for us. Blinking far too quickly.
Straight swap is the offer...and we await the response.

I hear you but if the answer is yeah but we want P6, how can we make that work for us??

 

[Dry Rot]

Nothing at the moment unless the Jaksch deal falls over:
19 - from Hawthorn, may go to Carlton
21 - gone to Brisbane for Patfull
24 - used on Jack Steele (academy selection)

Thanks.

 

[Igloo]

Igloo 's favourite player!

Does some nice things, but a lot of horrific things. Probably not interested.

Booooooooo. So shit.

 

[Dogsman16]

Yes, it is.




Yeah, that's my point. I don't think we get out of this without using pick 6, but I don't think I'm prepared to part with Griff + 6 if we're only getting Boyd back. I'm honestly not sure what GWS could add to make it more equitable as I get nowhere fast whenever I try to look at it (academy-committed picks make it tougher) - hence trying to get some ideas on a three-way trade where a nice little pick is coming back our way.

I think we just try and turn our 2nd rounders somehow into say pick 15 and offer that plus griff for Boyd.

 

[Some Idiot]

I'm glad nobody on this board is negotiating for us. Blinking far too quickly.
Straight swap is the offer...and we await the response.

Preach it.

 

[_M_16_]

Surely the Giants would prefer the Number 1 draft pick to Griffen!

Yeah they probably would, but this is where Pick 6 comes in. Dog's offer a big contract and Griffen, Saints follow suit, and offer a big contract, plus Pick 1. They now have the advantage on paper, but Boyd will still have to agree to any deal. And even if he said he is not fussed which of the two teams he wants to play for, all we have to do is throw in Pick 6, and we will have more value again. I know many will think it is overs, but sometimes you have to pay the price for a key position player with heaps of potential to man your forward line for the next decade.

 

[immortalmike]

I hear you but if the answer is yeah but we want P6, how can we make that work for us??

In that case we'll take Hoskin-Elliott too on $700,000 a year for 4 years.