Brownlow 2024 Brownlow Medal discussion

[geoffjennings79]

Great work by the AFL umpiring panel.

I'd imagine based on this year's performance, Cripps could have missed a game with injury, but still been awarded Brownlow votes.

Can't wait for next year when the winner polls the maximum possible 69 votes (or more!).

AFL. Always looking to improve the game...

 

[Doggstats]

Saw this before the count and didn't think much of it at the time:



But then this happened in rd2 and I went straight to the kitchen to put my tinfoil hat on.



Bont got the full 10 coaches votes while Sanders got 0....

The crazy thing is that game wasn't even close to the worst. Daicos got votes for a game he was subbed off with only 15 disposals....

Cripps got votes in a game he had only 19 touches at 45% efficiency....

Daicos got 2 votes in a loss to the Swans with just 25 touches whilst Chad Warner

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Chad Warner

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23

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185cm

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82kg

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Mid

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7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

got 0 votes on the winning team with 33 touches, 2 goals, 8 clearances and 8 score involvements(Nick had just 3)....
Daicos also had more than double Chad's clangers, 9 vs 4.

Ever since the AFL banned umps from looking at stats before they vote the count has become an absolute farce.

 

[Doggies_13]

The Brownlow is a joke and in no way am I say Cripps didn’t deserve to win but we are at a point where Cripps gets votes for his average games and he’s not a Judd or Ablett who’s average games were as good as most normal players best games.

Umpires way too often go oh Carlton lost it was close who do we throw in for a vote Cripps. They used to do the same with other big name players from big clubs.

I’ve been one that thinks leave the Brownlow as it is but it’s no longer good enough for the umpires to do the voting.

I think the fact we have an umpire who does radio betting segments (yes horse racing not footy) shows they we are happy to have umpires with questionable integrity. You can’t be a mad punter and invested in gambling and be impartial when you can literally impact a result.

 

[Freshwater]

The coverage on TV ‘jumped the shark’ many years back and make it unwatchable. Matt Priddis, Ollie Wines, Neale last season and now this means the award has become a joke and has also ‘jumped the shark’.
Coaches Award, MVP, All Australian, even club B&F’s are more relevant.
Also public voting for Mark and Goal of the Year is also a joke.
Luckily for me I watched a great movie and went to bed earlier.

 

[_Mike_]

A Disney title for this junk award would be more meaningful

 

[_Mike_]

Bont got the full 10 coaches votes while Sanders got 0....

The crazy thing is that game wasn't even close to the worst. Daicos got votes for a game he was subbed off with only 15 disposals....

Cripps got votes in a game he had only 19 touches at 45% efficiency....

This years winner was decided before the season started. Bont like many other players were never in it

 

[Cookie]

Carlton Cripps Football Club

 

[Cookie]

Don't forget Andrew Dillon's own wife talking about Bontempelli's chances (or lack of) on the red carpet. Evidence that the big boss himself was happy to spill the details of the count before it happened to those close to him? Such integrity.

Telegram, telephone, tell a woman.

 

[Hobdog]

Haven’t watched a second of the rubbish in a few years now. It’s awful viewing. Difference now is that it also sounds like the integrity of the actual award is slipping further into the toilet.


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[Dogs Rule]

The AFL decides the winner, Dillon's wife confirmed it and last night's result proved it.

Also, just to add to the utter garbage of the night we had an unintelligible count, Hamish Nepobrother made it completely unwatchable as usual, a morose musical performance, Angus Brayshaw

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Angus Brayshaw

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28

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

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D/M

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D

19.7

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

4.3

5star

MG

233.5

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

7.7

3star

HB

7.8

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

3.2

4star

MG

233.5

4star

D

11.4

3star

K

8.2

4star

HB

3.2

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

5.6

5star

's speech which is still going I think, Maddern's dumb Las Vegas comment, it was a train wreck.

Late news...the count has been over for eight hours but Cripps has just got another three votes and I hear he's already got the three for Round 1 2025.

 

[Dogs_r_barking]

The coverage on TV ‘jumped the shark’ many years back and make it unwatchable. Matt Priddis, Ollie Wines, Neale last season and now this means the award has become a joke and has also ‘jumped the shark’.
Coaches Award, MVP, All Australian, even club B&F’s are more relevant.
Also public voting for Mark and Goal of the Year is also a joke.
Luckily for me I watched a great movie and went to bed earlier.

Yeah Collingwood one goal of the year last year, and hey two Collingwood goals nominated this year

 

[Mr. Walker]

The AFL decides the winner, Dillon's wife confirmed it and last night's result proved it.

Also, just to add to the utter garbage of the night we had an unintelligible count, Hamish Nepobrother make it completely unwatchable as usual, a morose musical performance, Angus Brayshaw's speech which is still going I think, Maddern's dumb Las Vegas comment, it was a train wreck.

Late news...the count has been over for eight hours but Cripps has just got another three votes and I hear he's already got the three for Round 1 2025.

Agree with you on Hamish. As shallow as ever. What did 7 and the AFL think they would get with him. Disagree with you on Brayshaw. Thought that was the most meaningful speeches I have heard. Gave some importance to the occasion.

 

[Hoges64]

Late news...the count has been over for eight hours but Cripps has just got another three votes and I hear he's already got the three for Round 1 2025.

Don't you mean Opening Round?

 

[Dogs Rule]

Agree with you on Hamish. As shallow as ever. What did 7 and the AFL think they would get with him. Disagree with you on Brayshaw. Thought that was the most meaningful speeches I have heard. Gave some importance to the occasion.

Yeah, I was being a bit facetious about Brayshaw. Good speech, just the wrong forum I thought, but then again, the coverage was a total mish mash so why not?

 

[Mojorisin]

Don't you mean Opening Round?

I wonder if they'll award points in the wildcard round.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I wonder if they'll award points in the wildcard round.

Double if Cripps or Daicos are playing.

 

[Libbaaaa]

I was dying when before rounds 8 and 9 when Bec Madden had a 30 second monologue about Daicos having started slow so far but we all expect he’ll poll here, basically cheering him on. They cut to Daicos and even he was embarrassed.

 

[Anja_Nees]

At least it’s the consensus now that the award and the ceremony have become a joke.

I hope they get absolutely punished on viewership in the next few years and change the whole thing.

No one wants lame segments with kids interviewing players, meaningless audience voted awards and inane “banter” in player interviews.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I was dying when before rounds 8 and 9 when Bec Madden had a 30 second monologue about Daicos having started slow so far but we all expect he’ll poll here, basically cheering him on. They cut to Daicos and even he was embarrassed.

Every year it just gets more and more elaborate, more meaningless guff, more nonsense, more gushing, more unnecessary, over produced garbage. A genuine case of too many cooks. YouTube has clips of entire counts from the 80s and 90s and it's simple, basic, no frills, but it works and it has Peter Landy or Bruce.

 

[Libbaaaa]

Also for a 45 vote season can anyone name 3 stand out Cripps moments from the season? He had that epic last quarter against Port, mainly remember it because he kicked two goals from the boundary, but a lot of his other games we were just constantly being told how amazing his performances were. Daicos is in the same boat don't get me wrong, albeit he has more moments that pop for the umpires.

Also the umps sure picked the wrong year to get off their knees for Lachie Neale

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Lachie Neale

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31

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178cm

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84kg

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Mid

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27.0

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

15.5

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

3.7

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

28.3

5star

K

13.9

5star

HB

14.4

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

7.4

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

CL

0.4

3star

. Couldn't have done it last year you flogs.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Who actually watches, let alone pays attention to the Brownlow Medal?

It one of the most turgid viewing experiences one could imagine. It's insane to me that people attribute any value to an award based on the votes of people that most spend their time, be it at home or at a game abusing for their ineptitude. Yet happily attribute those same views as the high water mark of virtue when it comes to adjudging the games best player.

The Brownlow is and always will be a joke.

Congrats to Crippa for his win in this most prestigious of awards.

 

[cakewalk_1]

Also for a 45 vote season can anyone name 3 stand out Cripps moments from the season? He had that epic last quarter against Port, mainly remember it because he kicked two goals from the boundary, but a lot of his other games we were just constantly being told how amazing his performances were. Daicos is in the same boat don't get me wrong, albeit he has more moments that pop for the umpires.

Also the umps sure picked the wrong year to get off their knees for Lachie Neale. Couldn't have done it last year you flogs.

If I may, How is Cripps' 2024 a "26 more" BL votes than the Bont? I can't fathom that one.
Cripps got 5 votes in against the pies and we won both games. 3 Votes in that last game they lost and they were 32 points down. So he must have got 3 votes in the last 20 minutes of the game when they came back.
On the Daicos one, Yes he shouldn't have voted for that 15 possession game but he also got 0 votes in a game he got 34 touches and 1 goal.
I don't understand the votes anymore than most these days.

 

[dogwatch]

Here's a profile of Cripps' season from Cody Atkinson & Sean Lawson (ABC). As usual they use stats in a more creative way than some of their lazier and less intelligent colleagues in the germo industry.

However I mainly include it here because the charts show some interesting aspects of the Bulldogs season (eg Libba leading Hard Ball Gets, WB with second most team Brownlow votes in 2024, etc). FYI.

How Carlton's Patrick Cripps smashed the Brownlow Medal record

Patrick Cripps wins his second Brownlow Medal with the highest vote-count of all time. Here's how the Carlton midfielder did it.

www.abc.net.au

One observation I have is that the writers point out how Cripps has improved his game again in 2024 and that's fair enough. But the average game stats don't show a massive improvement on his first Brownlow year. Well not enough to suggest a 55% increase in his votes anyway.

I guess we need to wait a bit longer for someone to publish a more insightful analysis of what the Brownlow has really become.


Waiting.

Waiting.



Waiting.











Waiting ...

 

[Fossie 32]

Mike Sheahan on 3AW said the last forward to win the Brownlow was Chris Grant

 

[dogwatch]

Mike Sheahan on 3AW said the last forward to win the Brownlow was Chris Grant

Ah yes, I remember that one.

Some Carlton establishment bloke rubbed him out even after the umpires reviewed the footage and refused to report him.

Where was that establishment bloke in 2022, I wonder?