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All our rucks are injury prone


Obviously not as well but he got them and he kicked them.

I'm surprised by the vitriol for Smith and Kreuzer, given the whole board, almost to a man (or woman), concedes our ruck stocks are poor.

Put it this way, if I was offered Smith for 2 3rd rounders over Hickey for a pick between 15 and 30, I'm taking Smith every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
So your solution to our rucks being injury prone is to bring in Kreuzer or Smith? That's like complaining your girlfriend's boobs are too big and then cheating on her with Kate Upton.
Also I have never conceded that our ruck stocks aren't any good and I won't neither. Just haven't felt like getting into a shit-slinging match with all the people who've suddenly decided Roughead and Campbell aren't any good.
 

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Campbells so much more than a lumbering ruckman, youll all see what hes capable of soon enough.

Thought it was interesting reading a north fans post on another board the other day saying how only 2 years ago he thought Goldstein was soft and not good enough but it clicked for him. Ruckman take time. Lots of ******* time too.
I'll be amazed if you're right, but let's hope. He'll never be athletic though, so he'll never be the absolute answer. But he may end up being all we have.
 
So your solution to our rucks being injury prone is to bring in Kreuzer or Smith? That's like complaining your girlfriend's boobs are too big and then cheating on her with Kate Upton.
Also I have never conceded that our ruck stocks aren't any good and I won't neither. Just haven't felt like getting into a shit-slinging match with all the people who've suddenly decided Roughead and Campbell aren't any good.
I've never said Roughead is no good but I'm happy to admit that I'll be surprised if Campbell makes it. And, no, it is not "the" answer, but it is "an" answer. And please, Kreuzer is 10 times the player any of our rucks are.
 
2 parts of faark all - Geelong fit him in. And no, I wouldn't, but unfortunately that's a crazy argument. Would you trade him for Declan Hamilton?
Not a crazy argument when that is a third round pick. You're right, as is Declan Hamilton. So if you wouldn't trade Daniel for Smith, then you shouldn't be prepared to trade 2 potential Daniels for him surely? We've drafted very well in recent years and I wouldn't be prepared to waste the talents of our drafters by bringing in a player that will most likely play <14 games.
 
I've never said Roughead is no good but I'm happy to admit that I'll be surprised if Campbell makes it. And, no, it is not "the" answer, but it is "an" answer. And please, Kreuzer is 10 times the player any of our rucks are.
Except whether Kreuzer is better or worse than our rucks isn't the argument. It's the fact that he's as injury prone, well actually more injury prone, than all of our rucks combined.
 
I've never said Roughead is no good but I'm happy to admit that I'll be surprised if Campbell makes it. And, no, it is not "the" answer, but it is "an" answer. And please, Kreuzer is 10 times the player any of our rucks are.

You are actually compounding a problem by advocating recruiting more injury prone players.

And there is always a cost - salary plus opportunity cost of of a list spot that could be better used.

I think you are going early writing off Campbell. Time will tell.
 
Not a crazy argument when that is a third round pick. You're right, as is Declan Hamilton. So if you wouldn't trade Daniel for Smith, then you shouldn't be prepared to trade 2 potential Daniels for him surely? We've drafted very well in recent years and I wouldn't be prepared to waste the talents of our drafters by bringing in a player that will most likely play <14 games.
Using Daniel as the standard bearer for all our 3rd Rd picks is opportunistic at best. Would you trade 2 X Declan Hamiltons or 2 X Matthew Fullers to get someone like Smith?

Except whether Kreuzer is better or worse than our rucks isn't the argument. It's the fact that he's as injury prone, well actually more injury prone, than all of our rucks combined.

Every player has a risk associated with them. Kreuzer has been injured, yes, and may continue to be, but the upside of a player like him, IMO, outweighs the risks.

You are actually compounding a problem by advocating recruiting more injury prone players.

And there is always a cost - salary plus opportunity cost of of a list spot that could be better used.

I think you are going early writing off Campbell. Time will tell.

I may be, but I've seen an awful lot of him and I'd be surprised, albeit pleasantly surprised, if he becomes anything more than an average ruckman. Roughead can be better than that IMO.
 
I've never said Roughead is no good but I'm happy to admit that I'll be surprised if Campbell makes it. And, no, it is not "the" answer, but it is "an" answer. And please, Kreuzer is 10 times the player any of our rucks are.
You really aren't getting what I'm saying are you? Kreuzer's ability isn't what I'm questioning here, his durability is. You want to replace easily injured players with more easily injured players. I'm questioning the wisdom of that solution.
 
You really aren't getting what I'm saying are you? Kreuzer's ability isn't what I'm questioning here, his durability is. You want to replace easily injured players with more easily injured players. I'm questioning the wisdom of that solution.
Well that first line was nice and patronising, wasn't it? It may not be wise, but that's not my argument here; we are trying to win a flag. If recruiting someone who has ability, who we think can better our chance to win a flag, but who comes with an inherent risk, but a risk that is manageable, I'm all for taking that risk. Smith or Kreuzer may have risks associated with them, but they aren't cultural, and if we can get 14 games and 3/4 finals out of them and they contribute better than what we have already to winning that flag, it's a calculated risk. As was taking Stringer with a leg he couldn't walk on.
 

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Well that first line was nice and patronising, wasn't it? It may not be wise, but that's not my argument here; we are trying to win a flag. If recruiting someone who has ability, who we think can better our chance to win a flag, but who comes with an inherent risk, but a risk that is manageable, I'm all for taking that risk. Smith or Kreuzer may have risks associated with them, but they aren't cultural, and if we can get 14 games and 3/4 finals out of them and they contribute better than what we have already to winning that flag, it's a calculated risk. As was taking Stringer with a leg he couldn't walk on.
No more patronizing than someone going back 700 pages to make sure to let everyone know they were right after one quarter of football against a debutant. Too bad the rest of the game happened. It's also frustrating when you've written several posts saying "hey those guys are more fragile" and you get back "I think they're good players".

Once again I'm not convinced either of them could give us that much but I was all for a punt on Kreuzer, I'm sure it's somewhere earlier in this thread . I just think it's funny that your big argument against Roughy is that he's injury prone when you advocate for those players. I'm sorry you can't have it both ways.
 
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No more patronizing than someone going back 700 pages to make sure to let everyone know they were right after one quarter of football against a debutant. Too bad the rest of the game happened.

Once again I'm not convinced either of them could give us that much but I was all for a punt on Kreuzer, I'm sure it's somewhere earlier in this thread . I just think it's funny that your big argument against Roughy is that he's injury prone when you advocate for those players. I'm sorry you can't have it both ways.
Going back 700 pages was pure self serving and self interest, hardly patronising.

I don't have an argument against Roughy, he is, IMO, our best option - and by quite some way. However I concede his fundamental weakness is his ability to stay on the park, but I'm happy to take an injury prone Roughead over the other 2 who, IMO, are fundamentally limited by the modern game and their inability to run.
 
I'm a big Grundy fan but I hear he's very left of centre culturally.
Yes he is, but not a bad cat. Just different. Obviously I don't know exactly how he'd fit into the group, but he's not a bad dude or a bad influence in any way.

heck me the kid can play though.
 
Going back 700 pages was pure self serving and self interest, hardly patronising.

I don't have an argument against Roughy, he is, IMO, our best option - and by quite some way. However I concede his fundamental weakness is his ability to stay on the park, but I'm happy to take an injury prone Roughead over the other 2 who, IMO, are fundamentally limited by the modern game and their inability to run.
It's a little patronizing. And I think plenty took it that way.

That's a fair opinion. And I think Roughy might just prove us all wrong.
 
OMG not a discussion on ruck-men again! that S**T needs it's own thread! can someone create a new thread called "Their ruck stocks are better than our ruck stocks and it's not fair:cry:"
 
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