Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 4 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

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Mofra said:
The 'bad influence' is moving to Melbourne (Aidyn Johnston) which is why he's open to a move to Victoria.
I'd rather chase a genuine first ruck without the off-field dramas.
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Give me a spell. Not many people in life have lived perfectly. I think our aim is to get any player that we need and trust that our process as a club will change the behaviours. We took Barry Hall and he was far from a cleanskin on and off the field right back to his St Kilda days and he was a great recruit. It's not up to us to be moral arbiters on the qualities of young men.
It irritates me that we have people on here that suggest we have a no d1ckhead policy.... Give me a break.
 
Chalky White said:
Give me a spell. Not many people in life have lived perfectly. I think our aim is to get any player that we need and trust that our process as a club will change the behaviours. We took Barry Hall and he was far from a cleanskin on and off the field right back to his St Kilda days and he was a great recruit. It's not up to us to be moral arbiters on the qualities of young men.
It irritates me that we have people on here that suggest we have a no d1ckhead policy.... Give me a break.
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So you draw no line at all in off field behaviour? Where in my post did I speak of a no DH policy?
You raise Barry Hall - what off field behaviour issues were there in his time at Sydney? I don't recall any.

I think there are far better options for multiple reasons, including he's hardly play an R1 role and seems 'more of the same re: English'.
And yes, off field behaviour is absolutely a consideration for trade time.
 
Chalky White said:
Give me a spell. Not many people in life have lived perfectly. I think our aim is to get any player that we need and trust that our process as a club will change the behaviours. We took Barry Hall and he was far from a cleanskin on and off the field right back to his St Kilda days and he was a great recruit. It's not up to us to be moral arbiters on the qualities of young men.
It irritates me that we have people on here that suggest we have a no d1ckhead policy.... Give me a break.
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How did you feel about Hunter's indiscretion? Or Stringer's? Or what Stengle was doing the last couple of years? The concern isn't that he might be a little naughty off field, it's that it could result in creating rifts in the playing group, damaging the reputation of the club or jeopardizing his chances of being selected in any given week.
 
Chalky White said:
Give me a spell. Not many people in life have lived perfectly. I think our aim is to get any player that we need and trust that our process as a club will change the behaviours. We took Barry Hall and he was far from a cleanskin on and off the field right back to his St Kilda days and he was a great recruit. It's not up to us to be moral arbiters on the qualities of young men.
It irritates me that we have people on here that suggest we have a no d1ckhead policy.... Give me a break.
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I have no idea on what the Ladhams story is so I'm not making any judgement on him, but it is important to have a distinction between some players who go too hard on a weekend and others who are toxic characters to have around your group. I don't think Barry Hall fell into that latter category.

Our recruiting has generally been based around a no-dickhead policy - it's a lot easier to get buy in to a cause when there's not a voice or character there constantly undermining what you're trying to achieve or the standards you're trying to set, either openly or behind the scenes.

Having been at sporting clubs where I've seen how one selfish, d1ckhead can have serious negative effect on an entire team's culture (even when half the team "really likes him"), I'd have no issue with the club continuing on with a try to avoid recruiting d1ckheads outlook.
 
Mofra said:
So you draw no line at all in off field behaviour? Where in my post did I speak of a no DH policy?
You raise Barry Hall - what off field behaviour issues were there in his time at Sydney? I don't recall any.

I think there are far better options for multiple reasons, including he's hardly play an R1 role and seems 'more of the same re: English'.
And yes, off field behaviour is absolutely a consideration for trade time.
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Agree to disagree, he had many indiscretions off field at St Kilda. That was when he was at a similar age.
I do not give a flying f**k about past indiscretions, short of extreme racist issues or extreme drug issues. Having a few froths midweek is hardly a reason to 5hitcan a bloke. Toby Greene, Michael Talia, Taylor Walker, Sydney Stack, Willie Rioli. I would take any one of them.
I'm certainly not bothered about indiscretions.
I want success and I back our leadership to fix any potential issues.
 
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Virgin Dog said:
How did you feel about Hunter's indiscretion? Or Stringer's? Or what Stengle was doing the last couple of years? The concern isn't that he might be a little naughty off field, it's that it could result in creating rifts in the playing group, damaging the reputation of the club or jeopardizing his chances of being selected in any given week.
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I have no issue with any of them. Hunter has proven to be a fantastic player for us. Personally i think Stengle is a spud so he's one that has never crossed my mind.
I draw the line at someone like Ben Cousins who when he went to Richmond had serious ongoing issues. But in general minor indiscretions that overall embarrass the player in their private lives don't bother me.
They are humans, young humans with far too much money and very few brains. I just think of us forget what we were like in our 20s
 
Chalky White said:
Agree to disagree, he had many indiscretions off field at St Kilda. That was when he was at a similar age.
I do not give a flying f**k about past indiscretions, short of extreme racist issues or extreme drug issues. Having a few frogs midweek is hardly a reason to 5hitcan a bloke. Toby Greene, Michael Talia, Taylor Walker, Sydney Stack, Willie Rioli. I would take any one of them.
I'm certainly not bothered about indiscretions.
I want success and I back our leadership to fix any potential issues.
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We didn't trade them in at a similar age though - we knew what we were getting with Hall and he had no off-field issues in his time at Sydney from what I'm aware.
Even if Ladhams was a complete cleanskin I don't think he's the type of ruckman we should be looking at, and his off-field issues are rumoured to be more than just a few drinks mid-week (which a number of our players already do anyway).

Also worth noting Lachie Hunter was welcomed back into the fold pretty quickly, as was Libba back in the day. The club are nowhere near the absolutists on this issue but due diligence just has to be undertaken with any potential trade in.
 

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Mofra said:
So you draw no line at all in off field behaviour? Where in my post did I speak of a no DH policy?
You raise Barry Hall - what off field behaviour issues were there in his time at Sydney? I don't recall any.

I think there are far better options for multiple reasons, including he's hardly play an R1 role and seems 'more of the same re: English'.
And yes, off field behaviour is absolutely a consideration for trade time.
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I never said you said a no DH policy on this occasion. I said it irritates me when posters say it.
I have seen you say it in the past though.
 
Mofra said:
We didn't trade them in at a similar age though - we knew what we were getting with Hall and he had no off-field issues in his time at Sydney from what I'm aware.
Even if Ladhams was a complete cleanskin I don't think he's the type of ruckman we should be looking at, and his off-field issues are rumoured to be more than just a few drinks mid-week (which a number of our players already do anyway).

Also worth noting Lachie Hunter was welcomed back into the fold pretty quickly, as was Libba back in the day. The club are nowhere near the absolutists on this issue but due diligence just has to be undertaken with any potential trade in.
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I agree with your last paragraph. What I am saying is it's NOT up to us here to say who is or isn't suitable for recruitment.
I also agree hall off field at Sydney was pretty good. He wasn't at St Kilda....I know this for certain.
Sydney with good leadership and direction turned Baz around into a super reliable player. He had a few misdemeanours onfield but generally in his case it was retaliation for niggling tactics.
What I don't agree with is casting aspersions on Ladhams on rumours. He had an incident last year in lockdown, big deal. I believe he is EXACTLY the type of player we need.
 
Northernsoul74 said:
If it was a few beers in the week he wouldn’t have the reputation he has in Adelaide. He likes to party apparently so I take that as being more drug related.
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To me that is muckraking, maybe he has dabbled. 5hit Libba is hardly a poster boy is he? We know Libba was a party boy but you are suggesting that something you don't know for sure is a reason not to recruit someone.
Amazes me the people on here
 
Out of finals rules out blokes like Lycett, Ladhams, Briggs, Flynn. The full list of rucks from teams outside finals is:

Nic Nat
Grundy
Goldstein
O'Brien
Darcy
McEvoy
Marshall
Hickey
Nankervis
Ryder
Pittonet
Ceglar
Witts
Draper
Wright
Sinclair
Burgess
Soldo
De Koning
Graham
Phillips
Smith
Reeves
Meek
Campbell
Vardy
Williams
Hunter
Strachan
Lynch
Bryan
Brooksby
 
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Virgin Dog said:
Out of finals rules out blokes like Lycett, Ladhams, Briggs, Flynn. The full list of rucks who have played this year from teams outside finals is:

Nic Nat
Grundy
Goldstein
O'Brien
Darcy
McEvoy
Marshall
Hickey
Nankervis
Ryder
Pittonet
Ceglar
Witts
Draper
Wright
Sinclair
Burgess
Soldo
De Koning
Graham
Phillips
Smith
Reeves
Meek
Campbell
Vardy
Williams
Hunter
Strachan
Lynch
Bryan
Brooksby
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Well that narrows it down. RWB you bloody tease

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