Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Golden_6]

JJ has been very good in the defensive small forward role, Kicks goals and shuts down oppos half backs

JJ is certainly one I’d be happy with keeping over a lot of players on the list. He had a injury ravaged season but is certainly someone that can improve our side and isn’t as easily replaceable as others.

 

[Foxman98]

JJ is certainly one I’d be happy with keeping over a lot of players on the list. He had a injury ravaged season but is certainly someone that can improve our side and isn’t as easily replaceable as others.

Kicked 1/4 of our goals in the EF too

 

[Dog 36]

Strongly disagree. Only have to look at some of the recent Brownlow medalists to see that’s not true. Wines, Neale, Mitchell…

Dunkley imo is an animal. I think he can easily be the #1 man.

He cannot be #1 man with his disposal by foot been so poor.

His action makes him even slower. One thing is to have leg speed but an action he has to kick slows his ability to dispose by foot.

 

[Chops]

Would be more than happy to address the midfield at the draft with our top pick or two. Get some elite young mids coming through. Would be absolutely thrilled if we could turn Dunkley into Payne and a good pick.
Perhaps something like:
Dunkley, 37, 65
For Payne, 15

Yuck
Payne is worth bugger all


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[Foxman98]

He cannot be #1 man with his disposal by foot been so poor.

His action makes him even slower. One thing is to have leg speed but an action he has to kick slows his ability to dispose by foot.

His disposal by foot isn't that bad he just has no zip in his kick so can't pull off the ones Bont and the superstars of the game can. Watch Oliver he's also a shocking kick

 

[Dog 36]

His disposal by foot isn't that bad he just has no zip in his kick so can't pull off the ones Bont and the superstars of the game can. Watch Oliver he's also a shocking kick

For a midfielder and the standing he wants in a midfield and $ he wants his kicking is an issue.

Cannot hit a target 30m away regularly enough and his action has not and will not improve and when ball speed is important he slows it down.

 

[LittleG]

List needs:
1. Small forward
2. Winger with leg speed and can hit a leading target
3. Intercept Defender
4. Ruck-Forward (Lobb)
5. Full Back (Liam Jones

19

Liam Jones

Age

33

Ht

199cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.4

2star

K

6.5

3star

HB

2.9

3star

M

4.3

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

134.5

2star

D

7.6

2star

K

6.1

3star

HB

1.4

1star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.4

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

9.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.2

4star

)
6. Small lockdown defender
7. Developmental KPD

It appears we have options for 4&5. We really need to draft or trade in someone for all those list spots. The only reason I haven’t put Winger x2, is that Bedendo might fit that spot. The other positions need someone added to our list.

I expect Lobb to only be traded IF Jackson goes the other way. We must avoid the Jackson trade and only offer pick 37or later for the 30 year old salary dump that is Lobb.

Jones is free.

JJ and West leaving the small forward role, makes this a big list need. Ideally a super speedy crumber and not a high flyer.

We have no fast winger who can hit leading targets.

Intercept defender is a must. We need to mark the ball and not spoil the ball.

 

[Foxman98]

For a midfielder and the standing he wants in a midfield and $ he wants his kicking is an issue.

Cannot hit a target 30m away regularly enough and his action has not and will not improve and when ball speed is important he slows it down.

He's worth what teams will pay him again he's not that bad a kick but not worth us overpaying to keep him if someone else wants to do so good luck to them

 

[Mofra]

JJ is certainly one I’d be happy with keeping over a lot of players on the list. He had a injury ravaged season but is certainly someone that can improve our side and isn’t as easily replaceable as others.

He plays ahead of VDM/McNeill/McComb, for sure.
Was excellent in the pre-season 2022 until injured. Fingers crossed he can stay on the paddock

 

[TommyD13]

Yuck
Payne is worth bugger all


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He is contracted alters his value a little bit

 

[Foxman98]

He is contracted alters his value a little bit

McComb is contracted doesn't make him worth more than a token pick

 

[Bald]

He cannot be #1 man with his disposal by foot been so poor.

His action makes him even slower. One thing is to have leg speed but an action he has to kick slows his ability to dispose by foot.

Patrick Cripps goes ok..

 

[Mofra]

Yuck
Payne is worth bugger all

We chased him last year before he turned us down.
The market for KPDs is thin.

 

[doggiesin08]

We drafted a wingman from WA last year, not a small forward.
I didn't mention race at all so not sure why you'd mention it. It's irrelevant.

I'm talking pure X-factor small forwards, often from remote communities, that Freo & West Coast seem to be able to find (and not always at the pointy end of the draft either). WA seems to be a great breeding ground for them, NT sometimes produce a few too.

Willie Rioli was pick 56, Zac Langdon pick 56, Liam Ryan a pick 26 but was drafted mature age, Isah Winder pick 57, Walters a pick 53, Frederick pick 61

All WA small forwards just on Freo & West Coasts list. I really do believe that later in the draft we should be taking into account needs rather than just 'best available full stop'

My comment on Arthur Jones was in response to the suggestion we avoid drafting certain players from WA because they “aren't nice white bread APS kids.” I assumed this sentiment was not limited to small forwards.

You’re really not sure why I mentioned a players race in response to that comment? You didn’t say “from remote communities” the first time. How else am I to interpret “nice white bread” in your post?

 

[Mofra]

He cannot be #1 man with his disposal by foot been so poor.

His action makes him even slower. One thing is to have leg speed but an action he has to kick slows his ability to dispose by foot.

He wouldn't be the no 1 man at Port (Wines) or Brisbane (Neale) though

 

[Foxman98]

He wouldn't be the no 1 man at Port (Wines) or Brisbane (Neale) though

Port he's a decent shout Wines isn't that good despite stealing Bonts brownlow

 

[TommyD13]

McComb is contracted doesn't make him worth more than a token pick

That’s because McComb is shit

 

[Foxman98]

That’s because McComb is s**t

And Payne isn't? He's an average player at best

 

[Norm De Guerre]

He plays ahead of VDM/McNeill/McComb, for sure.
Was excellent in the pre-season 2022 until injured. Fingers crossed he can stay on the paddock

As a forward the distance between JJ and every other mids masquerading as a forwards in our side is galaxy wide. Id even include West and Garcia in this list.

The only other player with the same forward nous is Wallis and he is way too limited a player to play in the same side as 2-3 talls. When not injured JJ would be a lock at hf in my side with his genuine pace and reliable kicking for goal. I'd be very happy to see him re-up for 2 more years. However I'd understand if he jumped at 3 elsewhere.

Personally, I think it would be folly if Gold Coast or any other teams interest in him was to play across half back. Those years are behind him.

 

[Mofra]

My comment on Arthur Jones was in response to the suggestion we avoid drafting certain players from WA because they “aren't nice white bread APS kids.” I assumed this sentiment was not limited to small forwards.

You’re really not sure why I mentioned a players race in response to that comment? You didn’t say “from remote communities” the first time. How else am I to interpret “nice white bread” in your post?

White bread is the equivalent to bland, vanilla, boring (and in a demographic sense - firmly middle class). It's common vernacular. Again, I didn't mention race nor what that what I implied.

TBH I had Butler in mind when I made that comment - late pick, 'neat' kick, okish footballer, not really an outstanding type but a 'safe' pick when late in the draft it is exactly when we should be taking risks (and he wasn't in a desperate position of need either).
We currently have a list imbalance and we haven't even tried to address it with late picks which is what I'd prefer we do.

 

[Mofra]

And Payne isn't? He's an average player at best

He'd be a walkup start to our best 22. Old school solid FB

 

[Hoges64]

Logue vs Lobb
Logue was sent forward this season as he could not get a game down back, played more of a defensive forward role. At 22yo, he has yet to have a consistent season down back therefore he is still unproven. At 193cms, I am not convinced that he can play on the monster forwards ie Hawkins and Cameron. If you want him to play certain talls and smalls, $650k is way overs.

Lobb was the main focal point up forward and was rewarded with a 35 goal season. With Naughton to take the number one backmen, Lobb would take number 2 which will hopefully allow Marra to get off the leash as the number 3 forward. Paying 500k for a ready to go forward who can pinch hit in the ruck will improve the balance of our team. Darcy is a few years away from being able to kick goals regularly, let him settle down back for a few years which will help his development as a forward long term.

Not that it's overly important, but Logue was same draft year as English, so he'll be 25 next season.

VIA HS:
The Suns believe he has real upside at only 25, while Jason Johannisen was asking for a three-year deal at Gold Coast and at 30 might have played his best football.

The Dogs are understood to have offered Johannisen a two-season contract, so it is now unlikely but not impossible he will still move to the Suns.

I know the main point of your post is the JJ part, but who is this referring to?

 

[Mofra]

I know the main point of your post is the JJ part, but who is this referring to?

I assume Ben Long who requested a trade to the Suns yesterday

 

[Dog 36]

He wouldn't be the no 1 man at Port (Wines) or Brisbane (Neale) though

The original reply was he could not be the #1 midfielder in any team because of leg speed and his kicking which I agree I don't think he could.

Some believe Dunks wants to move to be that the number 1 midfielder at the club he chooses I don't subscribe to that either.

Dunks moving (if he does) we may never know the real reason.

 

[Foxman98]

He'd be a walkup start to our best 22. Old school solid FB

Think you are vastly overrating him here current squad sure but Jones, Darcy, Gards no chance