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Would you dare say a... SUPER draft?From what I’ve been told by a Scout, the top 30 is going to be very special. Gotta hold onto our picks.
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Would you dare say a... SUPER draft?From what I’ve been told by a Scout, the top 30 is going to be very special. Gotta hold onto our picks.
That assumes that pick 1 will be a star, and picks in the teens will be just ok.I’d be inclined to do it if this guy is rated as highly as what a Daicos or Ashcroft is and can have an immediate impact.
IMO I’d take 1 superstar mid ahead of 3 good players. With picks from about 8-20 they usually end up as good players, it is very hard to find a superstar. While the pick 1 as a mid in uncompromised highly rated draft should be a game changer (I’d say this is to risky if it were a key forward).
In addition, you really do need star players to win premierships and unfortunately the bulldogs aren’t a destination club so we need to draft these players.
We can afford to be more creative with how we recruit role players (via trade, free agency and later draft picks) as we are actually a chance to bring in good role players like doedee.
The other factor to consider is you can get a player in their first year like Ashcroft or Daicos that is on min chips that can be top 5 on list standard almost immediately. This gives you more opportunity from a cash perspective with free agency and player retention etc.
Saying all this I imagine that the club won’t offer up the 3 first round picks as they will want to re energise the list profile while we have spent a lot of draft capital in recent years on Darcy JUH which has probably been to our short term detriment.
Also doubt Hawthorn do it unless 1 of the first rounders was min top 5 as they are smart enough to look at Premiership Teams primarily built in the draft like Melbourne and see it was won off the back of their midfield superstars Oliver and Petraca that went top 5 (Richmond the same with Cotchin and Martin). These players are very hard to get access to without those top picks.
To use Melbourne as an example again pick 1 could be the difference between picking up a Oliver compared with 3 later first rounders like Salem, Pickett and Jake Bowey (That would be absolute best case to get 3 really good players that are unlikely to be starting mids - chances are you get one dud that plays a handful of games and none would be as good as what Pickett is).
Still I know which option I’m taking and that would be picking up the star mid bull as they get it done when it matters.
We also have Brisbane's secondI just realised, we have Brisbane’s 1st and 2nd, have traded out our 2nd, but also have Melbourne’s and Geelong’s 4th round pick. Not a bad haul in a reputed superdraft.
Would you dare say a... SUPER draft?
That assumes that pick 1 will be a star, and picks in the teens will be just ok.
In 2009 Nat Fyfe was pick 20, Tom Scully was pick 1.
In 2013 we resisted the temptation to try and package up pick 4 for pick 1. We ended up with Bontempelli, while GWS took Tom Boyd.
Drafting being an inexact science means I'd much rather not play around with picks and just take what we get to the draft.
Your right no one knows if number 1 is going to be a star. I’m not a draft watcher so I have no idea how good the proposed 1 is.That assumes that pick 1 will be a star, and picks in the teens will be just ok.
In 2009 Nat Fyfe was pick 20, Tom Scully was pick 1.
In 2013 we resisted the temptation to try and package up pick 4 for pick 1. We ended up with Bontempelli, while GWS took Tom Boyd.
Drafting being an inexact science means I'd much rather not play around with picks and just take what we get to the draft.
That’s a good write up. The counter argument would be:Your right no one knows if number 1 is going to be a star. I’m not a draft watcher so I have no idea how good the proposed 1 is.
My point is more that at top end of the draft 1-5 you are much more likely to get star player than you are with a pick in the teens. Teens you are likely to be pretty happy just obtaining a role player. Which admittedly we do need particular on the wings.
And personally I rate the one star player (especially a mid over the 3 role players). I also think there is other ways of obtaining role players by free agency, trading late first round/ second round draft collateral for the finished product or developing later picks.
I really think those late first round draft picks are severely overrated. As for every Fyfe (which is a once in a lifetime pick) there has probably been 100 examples of a Nathan Hrovat, Jackson Hatley, Ned McHenry, Ben Lennon etc.
Subsequently if the recruiters thought this number 1 was a midfielder that was going to make and immediate impact on a club like Sam Walsh, Nick Daicos or Will Ashcroft I’d back them in. One of these guys in the right set up could be an absolute game changer in just year 1 or 2. While I believe a bold move could be the spark that takes us to another flag.
Even if we weren’t flush for talls I’d only take this risk for a mid. I think there’s too much risk with a talls that they don’t adapt to playing with men. Also from a philosophical point of view I believe that mids are impacting games more than ever whilst the influence of tall forwards is diminishing.
Put it like this.
Geelong lost Gary Ablett Jnr and won the 2011 premiership - If they lost any three of Scarlett, Ling, Enright, Bartel etc would they have won the 2011 premiership?
Hawthorn lost Buddy and won the next two premierships. If they lost any three of Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead etc would they have won those premierships?
A good system with multiple good players will always be better than a good system with a single generational player.
I get your point but Hodge, Roughy & Lewis were pick 1, 2 & 7 so not really comparable to the standard of players we’d be picking up. Looking at our own team/history, would we have won the flag without Bont? I’d say no.Geelong lost Gary Ablett Jnr and won the 2011 premiership - If they lost any three of Scarlett, Ling, Enright, Bartel etc would they have won the 2011 premiership?
Hawthorn lost Buddy and won the next two premierships. If they lost any three of Hodge, Lewis, Mitchell, Roughead etc would they have won those premierships?
A good system with multiple good players will always be better than a good system with a single generational player.
We've nailed our first rounders for a fair while now (although Marra and Darcy were free hits).Valid point, and I’d personally prefer to keep the picks, but geez you’re taking the piss if you expect us to draft that well
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I dont think anybody can argue about our early selections in recent memory and the sky's the limit with these two in particular.We've nailed our first rounders for a fair while now (although Marra and Darcy were free hits).
I'd be happy to grab a youngish running type with our 'lower' first rounder - someone in their early 20s had a lot of football left in them.I dont think anybody can argue about our early selections in recent memory and the sky's the limit with these two in particular.
The reality is though that we've pretty much mortgaged our future by paying the price of hollowing out the upper end of our list to do so.
This is why Id rather take any potential haul of 3 first rounders to the draft than package them into a potential play for Reid.
The bones are still there but we really need to refresh this list and as it stands we seem well placed to do just that. its a list that is as deep as one of my posts and one win over a flaky team that travels as well as a toddler with colic on a long haul trip doesn't paper over this fact.
IMO For an immediate impact you’re likely to get more out of 1 top end pick than 3 late first picks.That’s a good write up. The counter argument would be:
Our first 2 games were very bad. One superstar 18 year old mid won’t push us to a flag.
Our bottom 5 are some of the worst in the league to get games every week. All of them mid-agers that are unlikely to get better as well.
I think we have the oldest list in the competition with more list cloggers than I’ve ever seen during Bev’s tenure. There’s probably 10 players who we could cut from the list that no one would be overly concerned about.
In terms of up and coming talent not already in the team, we have Buss, Clarke, Darcy and Khamis. The rest have big question marks over.
Roarke seas rated above average for disposal efficiency last year. I’m better not many others would be.Imo:
-It's fair to describe Roarke as a list clogger. Good defensive efforts from the wing, however extremely nervy/suspect with ball in hand, particularly when given time and space to make decisions. Would he be picked up and played by any other club?
-It's also fair to say that Roarke is one of our best wing options atm. His competition includes Baker, Scott and McComb.
So my belief is that both opinions hold merit and in conclusion we are quite simply ****ed on the wings.
I’d move McLean behind the ball and see what he can offer us there as a Doc replacement. I think he’s a bit lost up front at the moment, he’s obviously lost a touch of pace and he’s struggling to get involved forward and whilst he’s capable in front of goal he’s probably not what we need there right now as we just need speed around the talls.
He’s also not really gonna crack it in our midfield, and isn’t suited to the wing. Defence for me makes sense and I think he has all the right attributes to make it there. He’s super competitive and hates to beaten and I think he’d take to the role really well and compete hard one on one. He’s also a really smart footy brain, quite experienced now and usually composed. Good in the air, smart user by foot that would be aided by being behind the ball.
I could see him playing the Matty Boyd/Doc anchor role to support the other flashier smalls like Dale & JJ.
Let’s try it for a few weeks at VFL level
I love what Fremantle has done with their midfield. Transitioned from Sandilands, Mundy and Fyfe to Darcy, Brayshaw and Serong. They have quietly built one of the strongest midfields in the competition over the last 5 yearsFor me this trade period, i would like to see us bridge the gap between our A and B tier midfielders
Bring in some extra talent to take over in a few years