Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 5 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[The Inbetweener]

Might be alone on this but I would have preferred to give up pick 21 on its own, if it was ever a possibility, than 30 + F2 for Lobb.

It’s about the same I reckon if we finish similar next year.

If you were traded and wanted to move up from 30 to 21, you’d have to include another 30s pick.

Who know maybe this was Freo’s preference rather than 21

 

[W W Biscuit]

I get it, it's a risk, but grinders with poor disposal like Dunkley and Hunter weren't moving us forward. Neither were Schache and Cordy.

I understand your concern, but the criticism of our midfield was it was too slow and Dunkley and Hunter contributed to that.

Schache and Cordy, just weren't that good. Let's be honest here.

We've freed up a chunk of cap space (Callaghan or a free agent next year) and got two good draft hands. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Things can turn around very quickly. Only a couple of years ago, Collingwood was the basket case of trade week when they offloaded Treloar et al. If we use our draft picks well, we can be back contending within no time.

 

[GreatSouthWest]

So was Hunter having some issues with booze, bets or both?


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My bet is that it's both. If i lose I'll owe you a slab.

 

[yebach]

Do you want to challenge next season or hope someone develops?

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Both

 

[doggies ftw]

The fact we gave back 2 x F3s washes out all the backend stuff in my opinion - essentially it was 21 and F1 for Dunkley. Unders but not dramatic

I disagree on this, for mine it’s pretty much 21 + F1 + F2. You only generally take 3 live picks to the draft most years with maybe a rookie upgrade later etc

We got the highest pick which could be anywhere from 19 to 36 (obviously probably closer to 36) while dropping back 2 picks in the 37-54 range to the 55-72 range

So looking at smack back in the middle it’s essentially something like 27 + 63 for 44 + 44, where obviously the team that gets the highest pick is the big winner. Plus once you start getting into the 3rd round it really doesn’t even matter, recruiters boards would look so different by then most of our 3rd round picks weren’t even on the radar of draft watchers etc most years

Dunno what the academy players are like next year but after bidding all our F4s next year will push up high enough to be probably mid 3rds anyway.

Let’s pray that Croft comes on in a huge way next year as it would be VERY beneficial to be able to trade out our multiple first rounders next years for players & points, to go along with our haul of late picks to match on a highly rated F/S

 

[Sentinel]

B: Richards Jones Gardner
HB: Daniel Keath Dale
C: Treloar Libba Smith
HF: JJ Naughton West
F: Lobb JUH Weightman
Foll: English Bontempelli Macrae
Int: Darcy Williams McLean Garcia Duryea

Depth: Wallis, Khamis, McNeil, Roarke, Crozier, Cleary, Sweet, Bruce, Vandermeer, Hannan, P11, P21

That's a very decent team on paper, which should be competing with the right gameplan and defensive structure.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Are we? We are stronger at both ends and already had great midfield depth

We’re not better for losing Dunkley no, but Jones and Lobb should walk into the 22 and play solid roles (I’m not a big Lobb guy, think he is a massive front runner but we’d have been a better team this year with him in it).

Our wings suck, so Hunter will be a bigger void to fill than is given credit. Maybe with a full preseason training in that position we’ll get more out of Bailey Williams there and hopefully Bedendo gets opportunities and takes them. I will be disappointed if they believe Scott and McComb are the answers.

Another good thing is we have some decent picks to replenish after not having much of a draft hand the last few seasons while we accumulated points for JUH and Darcy

 

[weltschmerz]

21 would be great for a player like Weddle. We'd miss out if we took in 11 and 30.

 

[Anja_Nees]

Things can turn around very quickly. Only a couple of years ago, Collingwood was the basket case of trade week when they offloaded Treloar et al. If we use our draft picks well, we can be back contending within no time.

Dunkley is the only one that hurts in the short term, and there’s cover as long as Bont, Macrae, Treloar, Smith and Libba keep healthy.

Plenty of opportunity for guys like West, Garcia, Bedendo etc to step up. Removed some fringe players too which was necessary and bolstered weak areas. Have no concerns about this trade period.

 

[Scottish Bob]

Don't know, but am guessing that whatever the issues, the club saw it as a huge risk to our younger players.

I think it’s a lot of things and I only have heard things through second hand accounts but he’s lost a lot of friends, lot of people helped him out when he was in a dark place, but he’s let them down badly. Genuinely needs a fresh start.

 

[Anja_Nees]

We’re not better for losing Dunkley no, but Jones and Lobb should walk into the 22 and play solid roles (I’m not a big Lobb guy, think he is a massive front runner but we’d have been a better team this year with him in it).

Our wings suck, so Hunter will be a bigger void to fill than is given credit. Maybe with a full preseason training in that position we’ll get more out of Bailey Williams there and hopefully Bedendo gets opportunities and takes them. I will be disappointed if they believe Scott and McComb are the answers.

Another good thing is we have some decent picks to replenish after not having much of a draft hand the last few seasons while we accumulated points for JUH and Darcy

Hunter’s long absences for personal issues were a bit of a liability anyway. He had a good 2021, but was bland or absent all this year and 2020. Time to look elsewhere (maybe lower leagues if not current players).

 

[Doggy]

When your B and F who values professionalism leaves for a team with Zorko as captain and a racist coach

 

[Shacf501]

B: Richards Jones Gardner
HB: Daniel Keath Dale
C: Treloar Libba Smith
HF: JJ Naughton West
F: Lobb JUH Weightman
Foll: English Bontempelli Macrae
Int: Darcy Williams McLean Garcia Duryea

Depth: Wallis, Khamis, McNeil, Roarke, Crozier, Cleary, Sweet, Bruce, Vandermeer, Hannan, P11, P21

That's a very decent team on paper, which should be competing with the right gameplan and defensive structure.

we had a very decent team all year but unless defensively as a team we pull our heads in it will be the same old same.

starts with our mids and wings wanting to put defensive pressure on the opposition.

If that doesn't happen it will be the same as what we seen this year

 

[Dogs Rule]

We’re not better for losing Dunkley no, but Jones and Lobb should walk into the 22 and play solid roles (I’m not a big Lobb guy, think he is a massive front runner but we’d have been a better team this year with him in it).

Our wings suck, so Hunter will be a bigger void to fill than is given credit. Maybe with a full preseason training in that position we’ll get more out of Bailey Williams there and hopefully Bedendo gets opportunities and takes them. I will be disappointed if they believe Scott and McComb are the answers.

Another good thing is we have some decent picks to replenish after not having much of a draft hand the last few seasons while we accumulated points for JUH and Darcy

Course it would have been good to keep Hunter, but clearly the cultural and behavioural issues got too much and I don't blame the club. Sometimes you can offer all the help and support in the world, but there comes a time when people have to help themselves.

 

[BrisDog]

Gotta be honest - our list of worse after this trade period than before.

Not the end of the world though. I don’t think our list was our problem to start with.

I think if we can transform the coaches box and get rid of Bevo’s weird cronyism and some intensity like Collingwood we are still good enough.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Hunter’s long absences for personal issues were a bit of a liability anyway. He had a good 2021, but was bland or absent all this year and 2020. Time to look elsewhere (maybe lower leagues if not current players).

I don’t disagree but it is likely to hurt onfield in the short term.

I think the game is slightly moving past small accumulating wingers anyway, so I’d be happy if Bedendo gets chances to take that role

Course it would have been good to keep Hunter, but clearly the cultural and behavioural issues got too much and I don't blame the club. Sometimes you can offer all the help and support in the world, but there comes a time when people have to help themselves.

I agree completely, but it will probably hurt onfield in the short term

 

[Ant_]

Shows how much I venture on other team boards. Melbourne supporters have a thread dedicated to us? How pathetic

 

[Dogs Rule]

When your B and F who values professionalism leaves for a team with Zorko as captain and a racist coach

Zorko's ex's Instagram post is one of the best of all time. Anyway, good luck Dunkley. Real class acts up there.

 

[Sentinel]

we had a very decent team all year but unless defensively as a team we pull our heads in it will be the same old same.

starts with our mids and wings wanting to put defensive pressure on the opposition.

If that doesn't happen it will be the same as what we seen this year

Yep, heavily qualified by the last part of my post.

 

[doggies ftw]

Don’t think you are right. Without factoring Lobb in would you prefer 15, F1 giving back 30 and 39 or 21, F1, F2 giving back 2 x F3rd rounders

You have to factor Lobb in… we wouldn’t have got him done without 30 & 39.

It’s 12, 15, F1, F1, F2 vs 12, 21, 39, F1, F1, F2, Lobb

So essentially would you rather 15 or 21, 39 & Lobb.

I know what I would rather

 

[geoffjennings79]

Good work everyone, we got those trades over the line. Sam P never would have folded if it wasn't for all the support and advice on here. Now we just all need to get Beveridge to listen to us. Or maybe Lade? He's new, we need to get in his ear early doors.

 

[BrisDog]

When your B and F who values professionalism leaves for a team with Zorko as captain and a racist coach

What is you point?

 

[Doggies7]

With 3 future 4th rounders next year, I wonder if we can do one or two of them plus pick 69 for a pick in the 40s this year?

 

[Anja_Nees]

I don’t disagree but it is likely to hurt onfield in the short term.

I think the game is slightly moving past small accumulating wingers anyway, so I’d be happy if Bedendo gets chances to take that role



I agree completely, but it will probably hurt onfield in the short term

Oh an available Hunter is better than the other current options for a wing spot. I think (aside from the fact he burned his bridges) the likelihood of another long absence for personal reasons next year with us was not low.

 

[Doggy]

Zorko's ex's Instagram post is one of the best of all time. Anyway, good luck Dunkley. Real class acts up there.

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