Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Mojorisin]

Cameron, Grant and Darcy (and Grgic) still catch up when they can. Some of them were in each other's bridal parties, etc.

Think he's reluctant to move from Sydney with kids still at school, don't know if there was any truth to the rumour we approached him for an assistant role (was mentioned on here early days after season was over for us), so Harry might stay in the Gnats academy by default.

Can he still nominate as F/S eventually if tied to the academy up there?

They can pick which ever they like. Like Blakey did when he chose Sydney's Academy.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Cameron, Grant and Darcy (and Grgic) still catch up when they can. Some of them were in each other's bridal parties, etc.

Think he's reluctant to move from Sydney with kids still at school, don't know if there was any truth to the rumour we approached him for an assistant role (was mentioned on here early days after season was over for us), so Harry might stay in the Gnats academy by default.

Can he still nominate as F/S eventually if tied to the academy up there?

Think Nick Blakey and Bailey Scott both have had the choice in the past. Blakey chose academy, Scott chose father son

 

[flipper83]

Think Nick Blakey and Bailey Scott both have had the choice in the past. Blakey chose academy, Scott chose father son

So glad the Sydney academies are plucking these young men from obscurity and introducing them to AFL.

 

[dogwatch]

Here's another look at the trade period and what it means for 2024. I don't agree with some of it but worth a read.

It has a slight dig at Dodo and also reckons we did OK. Doesn't rate Coffield at all using the PAV rating system but I suspect that system is slightly skewed against players who have had to stand out of the game for a while due to injury etc. They do acknowledge that players like Coffield could end up being better fits at their new club than bigger name transfers, like Grundy was last year.

The winners and losers of the AFL trade period by the numbers

The trade period is almost another AFL season unto itself but now the deals are done and the dust has settled this is how the biggest transactions will impact the league, write Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Unorth]

Coffield and Harmes both play but probably aren't significant upgrades. Lifting our bottom 4 selected does help address one big problem. But we have more than enough top end talent, we didn't need to go and "win" trade week.

In the end we bring in a high draft pick for the first time in yonks, improved our depth and set up our points to where we can not only get Croft but also potentially Lual if he makes it to 40+. That's pretty good.

I would say my only real list concern is that we once again failed to improve our wing situation - Poulter, Baker, Williams is still a very shoddy setup, though improvement is possible. If we think we have the personnel and that we can move pieces about (ie Baz or Treloar), fair enough, but that's still a gamble. Gallagher looks promising but can't count on a guy yet to debut. Not worried about our backup ruck, it doesn't really matter much. Whoever it is will end up being English's punching bag for a season anyway.

Our far more pressing issues are in the coach's box, I still think we would have been within our rights to clean out harder than we have, but what we've done is still pretty significant.

We will have plenty of drama next year anyway when we likely lose one or two of Baz or Tim. Happy to have some respite from that madness.

 

[dogwatch]

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We will have plenty of drama next year anyway when we likely lose one or two of Baz or Tim. Happy to have some respite from that madness.

We could be expecting to get back into the 2024 first round by that means.

 

[weltschmerz]

I would say my only real list concern is that we once again failed to improve our wing situation - Poulter, Baker, Williams is still a very shoddy setup, though improvement is possible. If we think we have the personnel and that we can move pieces about (ie Baz or Treloar), fair enough, but that's still a gamble. Gallagher looks promising but can't count on a guy yet to debut.

Coffield could free up Dale to move to a wing, I think he’s got all the right weapons for it.

 

[Dale4captain]

Correct
Don't think Leon and the club are on good terms, so i doubt he would be part of our F/S list

Leon and the club are on great terms. He’s best friends with Luke Darcy and very, very close with Chris Grant. He’s also now got a very good job as the Swans academy director and works in development for them.

As for the NGA academies, your theory is a long way away from correct. The AFL are not transitioning to a premier league academy model. They’re moving to shift responsibility onto the AFL as a whole to run and staff the academies in a zone format to remove the club ‘relationship’ altogether. That’s their overarching goal.

So the way they envisage it would be for example a Western Victorian NGA academy exists and can utilise the bulldogs as part of that academy but it is effectively externally staffed and unaffiliated with club land. Clubs are pushing back on these changes as they believe many have invested heavily comparable to others and now they are ready to reap the rewards, the AFL is pulling the rug out from under them.

Sorry to call you out Vital, nothing personal but your info is blatantly wrong and misinformation.

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Leon and the club are on great terms. He’s best friends with Luke Darcy and very, very close with Chris Grant. He’s also now got a very good job as the Swans academy director and works in development for them.

As for the NGA academies, your theory is a long way away from correct. The AFL are not transitioning to a premier league academy model. They’re moving to shift responsibility onto the AFL as a whole to run and staff the academies in a zone format to remove the club ‘relationship’ altogether. That’s their overarching goal.

So the way they envisage it would be for example a Western Victorian NGA academy exists and can utilise the bulldogs as part of that academy but it is effectively externally staffed and unaffiliated with club land. Clubs are pushing back on these changes as they believe many have invested heavily comparable to others and now they are ready to reap the rewards, the AFL is pulling the rug out from under them.

Sorry to call you out Vital, nothing personal but your info is blatantly wrong and misinformation.

Thanks for the insight, d4c. Frustratingly this was what most people seemed to want from the very beginning as it was clearly the most equitable option. Instead the AFL have made clubs invest time and money into them and are now trying to pull out the rug from under them. What a head scratcher.

 

[doggies ftw]

Leon and the club are on great terms. He’s best friends with Luke Darcy and very, very close with Chris Grant. He’s also now got a very good job as the Swans academy director and works in development for them.

As for the NGA academies, your theory is a long way away from correct. The AFL are not transitioning to a premier league academy model. They’re moving to shift responsibility onto the AFL as a whole to run and staff the academies in a zone format to remove the club ‘relationship’ altogether. That’s their overarching goal.

So the way they envisage it would be for example a Western Victorian NGA academy exists and can utilise the bulldogs as part of that academy but it is effectively externally staffed and unaffiliated with club land. Clubs are pushing back on these changes as they believe many have invested heavily comparable to others and now they are ready to reap the rewards, the AFL is pulling the rug out from under them.

Sorry to call you out Vital, nothing personal but your info is blatantly wrong and misinformation.

I’d hope that includes Northern Academies, it has to be fully alligned. No doubt they’ve done a great job in growing the regions but it’s time to move past it, the GC academy this year is just a genuine mockery of the game.

Great that they’re now producing such high level talents but we can’t go on with two teams per state completely benefiting from this alone.

 

[Mojorisin]

Bullet Dodged.

 

[hatescaptcha]

Bullet Dodged.

Makes sense why he came ridiculously cheap.


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[VitalDread]

Leon and the club are on great terms. He’s best friends with Luke Darcy and very, very close with Chris Grant. He’s also now got a very good job as the Swans academy director and works in development for them.

As for the NGA academies, your theory is a long way away from correct. The AFL are not transitioning to a premier league academy model. They’re moving to shift responsibility onto the AFL as a whole to run and staff the academies in a zone format to remove the club ‘relationship’ altogether. That’s their overarching goal.

So the way they envisage it would be for example a Western Victorian NGA academy exists and can utilise the bulldogs as part of that academy but it is effectively externally staffed and unaffiliated with club land. Clubs are pushing back on these changes as they believe many have invested heavily comparable to others and now they are ready to reap the rewards, the AFL is pulling the rug out from under them.

Sorry to call you out Vital, nothing personal but your info is blatantly wrong and misinformation.

Thank you for clearing that up for me

The premier league thing was more my opinion on how I see the afl landscape then any inside info

 

[Dale4captain]

Makes sense why he came ridiculously cheap.


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Meh. Will be a $300 fine in court, non conviction.

If we judged 22 year olds on personal possession of illicit substances, by god would we be casting a dark cloud over society.

 

[Dale4captain]

I’d hope that includes Northern Academies, it has to be fully alligned. No doubt they’ve done a great job in growing the regions but it’s time to move past it, the GC academy this year is just a genuine mockery of the game.

Great that they’re now producing such high level talents but we can’t go on with two teams per state completely benefiting from this alone.

I think we have differing ideologies on this subject mate as I remember a previous discussion we’ve had but they’re not planning on changing the academies, especially in QLD. The sport needs a mega foothold up there. Just because the GC academy finally produced some decent kids doesn’t mean they have to now scrap it. I know I sound like an AFL house sycophant but in order for them to succeed they need to be nearly exclusively born and bred talent up there.

You’ll definitely see an evening out of the points system and possibly a limitation on trading points etc but the AFL will continue to try and give GC every opportunity to be Uber successful. They’ve invested a lot and expect a return. It’s a business and it’s assisting them in beating out their only direct competitor, Rugba league. Who, atm are taking a massive shit on the AFL in terms of popularity up there.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I think we have differing ideologies on this subject mate as I remember a previous discussion we’ve had but they’re not planning on changing the academies, especially in QLD. The sport needs a mega foothold up there. Just because the GC academy finally produced some decent kids doesn’t mean they have to now scrap it. I know I sound like an AFL house sycophant but in order for them to succeed they need to be nearly exclusively born and bred talent up there.

You’ll definitely see an evening out of the points system and possibly a limitation on trading points etc but the AFL will continue to try and give GC every opportunity to be Uber successful. They’ve invested a lot and expect a return. It’s a business and it’s assisting them in beating out their only direct competitor, Rugba league. Who, atm are taking a massive s**t on the AFL in terms of popularity up there.

I kinda accept it as a balance that GC and GWS can't realistically have father sons.

 

[Doggy]

Meh. Will be a $300 fine in court, non conviction.

If we judged 22 year olds on personal possession of illicit substances, by god would we be casting a dark cloud over society.

Exactly.

Slap on the wrist... nothing in it.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

I dunno man, I hear Marra, Weightman and O'Donnell are going to have some incredible kids coming through around 2050, better start collecting some picks!

Not sure this is fair. It's only 2 years away, so comes into consideration at next draft. 5 (?) potential in one year is certainly unusual, even if none eventuate.

 

[Frewy]

Coffield could free up Dale to move to a wing, I think he’s got all the right weapons for it.

I'd be genuinely shocked if this did not happen at some stage next year either full time or as a tactical strategy as required.

 

[Frewy]

I think we have differing ideologies on this subject mate as I remember a previous discussion we’ve had but they’re not planning on changing the academies, especially in QLD. The sport needs a mega foothold up there. Just because the GC academy finally produced some decent kids doesn’t mean they have to now scrap it. I know I sound like an AFL house sycophant but in order for them to succeed they need to be nearly exclusively born and bred talent up there.

You’ll definitely see an evening out of the points system and possibly a limitation on trading points etc but the AFL will continue to try and give GC every opportunity to be Uber successful. They’ve invested a lot and expect a return. It’s a business and it’s assisting them in beating out their only direct competitor, Rugba league. Who, atm are taking a massive s**t on the AFL in terms of popularity up there.

I did some analysis early this year below as Dew got the sack in response to them copping it for not backing in their own talent and just getting Vic players who will want home. To be honest they have either been very poor in development or very unlucky with their homegrown talent.

Not surprised they have a pile on of top liners all of a sudden, to be honest their probably due statistically speaking. Until things are in order longer term I agree that you wouldn't be turning any taps of yet going by their history.

'Less than 40% of list (19/48) is Vic and half of those are from outside Melbourne, plus 18 are WA, SA, NSW. Unfortunately only one of the Qld / NT or Academy players (11/48) is even a B grader - Weller. All of there 4 AA players have been from interstate.'

 

[adogsfan5]

Baz annoying anyone else atm?

It could be nothing, could be me being too anal.

Dunno what it is, maybe the shirt off, the vodka business, the news report, the insta stories with his manager after a shit year and constant off season rumours.

Just grinding my gears atm.

 

[dergert]

Some serious underrating of Coffield in here.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Baz annoying anyone else atm?

It could be nothing, could be me being too anal.

Dunno what it is, maybe the shirt off, the vodka business, the news report, the insta stories with his manager after a s**t year and constant off season rumours.

Just grinding my gears atm.

If he has a poor season next year it'll grind my gears.

 

[doggie dog]

I have seen Watson as high as five, but I think he will go in that 7-10 mark unless he was the Dogs target all along. My money is we will take Sanders or McKercher if he slides.

I think we will start to stock quality mids again in preparation for the end of Libba, Macrae or Baz leaving etc. For comparison we took Weightman at Pick#15 and traditionally small forwards slide a little due to the risk.

Either way a pick in the top handful is generally ready to play and I would expect them in either our best 22 or adding to our quality role player depth as a minimum. Before the trade period I thought we needed at least three quality role players and that Pick 5 got us there.

With natural development and some strategy adjustment, we have on paper I think a team capable of probably 3-6 on the ladder. Injuries as always is the elephant in the room, you can have them but not crippling across one line like the Swans and Dogs experienced in defence this year.

I honestly thought we had a top 4 finish with the 2023 list, how wrong was I?
I would be surprised given the form of this last season if we even make the 8, I cannot ever forget we lost to 2 teams that were actively tanking and the dog's had to come from behind to win against Norf who were also tanking.
The tactics and structure that caused us to be so shite in 2023, will be the same unless there is some sort of change with Bevo.

 

[doggie dog]

If he has a poor season next year it'll grind my gears.

I just wanna see Smithy lower his eyes and regularly hit up target's in the fwd line, instead of just slamming it on his boot to no one, that's what grinds my gears. Also, wouldn't hurt to get the ball between the big sticks...or any sticks. 4 goals 8 behinds is not cutting it.