Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[jdz101]

I think I'm watching a different player. I really want to keep him.
Old school full back vibes, Liam Jones style

I know what you mean but despite Liam's lack of initial tank, he was lightning fast compared to jed.

Edit: I'd add to this even croft has far better cover across the ground...just has no idea how to control his body or where to be yet.

 

[goodcop badcop]

I know what you mean but despite Liam's lack of initial tank, he was lightning fast compared to jed.

Edit: I'd add to this even croft has far better cover across the ground...just has no idea how to control his body or where to be yet.

I'm indifferent with Busslinger and I agree he's not like Jones. His attack on the ball, intensity and speed is nothing like Jones at the moment. A Weitering type is the hope, really not sure he gets there though.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Still would have felt much better if he signed for four. Sounds like he wants to see how we go over the next few years

 

[lachy]

Still would have felt much better if he signed for four. Sounds like he wants to see how we go over the next few years

Or maybe wants to be comfortable within himself to sign a long term contract

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[The Inbetweener]

Or maybe wants to be comfortable within himself to sign a long term contract

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4 years is hardly a long term contract

 

[lachy]

4 years is hardly a long term contract

He recognises where he is. Shows potential but has some way to go. 2 years was always the best for him and the club if possible

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[Dog 36]

I'm indifferent with Busslinger and I agree he's not like Jones. His attack on the ball, intensity and speed is nothing like Jones at the moment. A Weitering type is the hope, really not sure he gets there though.

One thing with Buss is he is very confident and capable by foot

 

[adogsfan5]

MUST keep Buss. Must.

 

[out of finals]

MUST keep Buss. Must.

Absolutely. Will fill the void when Bones retires. Fingers crossed, our track record for keeping interstate draftees is very good.

 

[Mofra]

One thing with Buss is he is very confident and capable by foot

He's "old school". Marks the ball and this year he's added running past for the occasional one-two.
I like his positioning and he seems to get to the fall of the ball at the right time.
Considering how much football he's missed in the past two years I think he's developing nicely.

 

[Snarls Barkley]

Still would have felt much better if he signed for four. Sounds like he wants to see how we go over the next few years

I read it more as a bet on himself. Maybe he wasn't getting the $$ amount based on potential alone. Thinks he can reach his best footy by 2026 and then get the biggest contract possible.

Could easily be that he wants to see how the team is shaping up and not ready to sign long term, but my reading on it would be that he and his team see it as the best way to get the biggest bag.

 

[jdz101]

Still would have felt much better if he signed for four. Sounds like he wants to see how we go over the next few years

We need to see how he goes too really. Right now, on that money, he's obscenely overpaid.

Early last year he looked a worldbeater though. Wait and see.

 

[lachy]

He's "old school". Marks the ball and this year he's added running past for the occasional one-two.
I like his positioning and he seems to get to the fall of the ball at the right time.
Considering how much football he's missed in the past two years I think he's developing nicely.

Yep, anyone not thinking he is progressing well after coming to the club after a full shoulder reconstruction has not been watching the VFL.

Expect his debut in the next 3 to 5 weeks

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[CDBulldog]

In terms of list build we are much closer to a refresh of the midfield than I thought we were only a few weeks ago. This is how I see it. Firstly, there is the Bont. Sanders will in short time be elite. With the emergence of Richards and if we can keep Baz (a big if) then all of a sudden we have a youthful, speedy and tough mix of quality inside and outside mids and this doesn’t include Libba who is probably the most underrated player in the comp as well as Trelor. Rotations can include Garcia, gallagher and Harmes. Overall a great mix of speed, youth, experience, mongrel and quality. I think we can even cover the loss of Baz, particularly if we use whatever picks we get for him on a quality mid.
This all means we can focus on KPD as CC will take one of the small forward roles based on his VFL output, leaving us with CC, West and Weightman as small forwards.

 

[lachy]

We need to see how he goes too really. Right now, on that money, he's obscenely overpaid.

Early last year he looked a worldbeater though. Wait and see.

Overpaid in what context??

He has attributes other clubs envy so they put obscene offers to him. We do have to recognise those offers are there, don't and he is no longer our player and we never replace him as we are not a club that brings his type of player in.

2 years is ideal for both parties. He either develops and then is paid for more years, or he moves on for the dollars as he has not developed as expected so we get something for him.

Every club receives the funds for the salary cap from AFL distributions. The list managers role is to keep all players you want to keep under the cap, which is increasing rapidly. What was obscene is the new normal

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[CDBulldog]

MUST keep Buss. Must.

Agree. Very composed. He has a relaxed style (similar to Weitering as per comment earlier in this thread) although he is taller, faster and better by foot. He will become a quality defender, just hope it’s with us… Must keep

 

[VitalDread]

Still would have felt much better if he signed for four. Sounds like he wants to see how we go over the next few years

Dogs Salary and the CBA means hes in for big big coin to stay at the Dogs

 

[Struggle]

Agree. Very composed. He has a relaxed style (similar to Weitering as per comment earlier in this thread) although he is taller, faster and better by foot. He will become a quality defender, just hope it’s with us… Must keep

Is he faster? I thought the main worry was his athleticism
Not that it's a huge deal, great positioning can hide athletic limitations in a defender anyway

 

[CDBulldog]

Is he faster? I thought the main worry was his athleticism
Not that it's a huge deal, great positioning can hide athletic limitations in a defender anyway

Yes he is. He’s not fast but Weitering is treacle slow. Would be one of the slowest players in the AFL.

 

[CDBulldog]

Yes he is. He’s not fast but Weitering is treacle slow. Would be one of the slowest players in the AFL.

Also depends on how you define athleticism. He’s got a good leap and times his jumps well. Just not rapid, but quick enough for a FB if that’s where he plays.

 

[Mofra]

Yes he is. He’s not fast but Weitering is treacle slow. Would be one of the slowest players in the AFL.

Weirdly, the FB we chased really hard (Sam Collins) is probably even slower than Weitering.

 

[jdz101]

Overpaid in what context??

He has attributes other clubs envy so they put obscene offers to him. We do have to recognise those offers are there, don't and he is no longer our player and we never replace him as we are not a club that brings his type of player in.

2 years is ideal for both parties. He either develops and then is paid for more years, or he moves on for the dollars as he has not developed as expected so we get something for him.

Every club receives the funds for the salary cap from AFL distributions. The list managers role is to keep all players you want to keep under the cap, which is increasing rapidly. What was obscene is the new normal

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He's overpaid vs his peers' production who are on the same money currently. Not to say he couldn't perform up to the level. He has the athletic tools.

I'm the biggest advocate of basically forking out the cash for elite players and worrying about the cap later. No issue with naughton's deal for example.

Despite the cap increases we are still looking like spending a huge portion of said cap on the forward line and looking like paupers when it comes to the backline. Funnily enough the backline is where we actually need the most help, and urgently.

The forward line is also going to be horrendously expensive considering the lack of any discernible plan for forward 50 entries against a half decent side.

As I said in last week's autopsy, we seemingly have a lot of millionaire players or players due million dollar deals for a team who is woefully inconsistent when it comes to actual performance.

 

[Mofra]

He's overpaid vs his peers' production who are on the same money currently. Not to say he couldn't perform up to the level. He has the athletic tools.

I'm the biggest advocate of basically forking out the cash for elite players and worrying about the cap later. No issue with naughton's deal for example.

Despite the cap increases we are still looking like spending a huge portion of said cap on the forward line and looking like paupers when it comes to the backline. Funnily enough the backline is where we actually need the most help, and urgently.

The forward line is also going to be horrendously expensive considering the lack of any discernible plan for forward 50 entries against a half decent side.

As I said in last week's autopsy, we seemingly have a lot of millionaire players or players due million dollar deals for a team who is woefully inconsistent when it comes to actual performance.

He mentioned after the game he signed with us for unders. Reported $1.2m pa on the table from two other clubs.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The short-term memory is incredible. Jamarra had top 10 shots and top 10 marks inside 50 for any player last year at the grand old age of 21.

All of the players ranked higher than Jamarra were also older than him. Even if there's no necessary expectation of Jamarra improving despite his age (which he should), the young age itself lends itself to a longer career and greater total output for the respective careers.

In other words, if you were to project the total career shots on goal for any player in the league from now until they retire, there's not many players that you would nominate ahead of Jamarra. He'd be in the top 3-5.

Presumably many people think that the goalkicking inaccuracy is either a random blip, or a skill that is relatively easy to improve relative to other skills (you can't just magic up a player to improve their pack marking inside 50).

I agree that some of the pre-season media praise of Jamarra was a bit over the top, but downplaying the idea of Jamarra not being a player that demands a lot of money or is highly valuable and will be in the future is a bit silly. Don't let two games in the immediate aftermath of personal leave cloud judgement.

 

[TiAn_]

Marra missed two weeks and has come back out of form, but he’s still third in the comp for average marks inside 50 and sixth for average contested marks. Plus he’s averaging 1.7 goals per game. His form before the time off was really good. I feel like that’s been forgotten really quickly.