He can't rebound and kick like Moore or mcgovern etc. He can intercept and then what? He's better suited forward
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Still not fully sold on Watson, not dismissing the the fact he is good, nor would I complain if we got him. But I think the cult around him is pumping him up more than he really is. He had a big national championships. But also has only 8 goals from 6 Coates league games so far, and in the bests just once.
Cameron and Papley, the two best smalls in the game were both rookie draft picks. Bolton went pick 29.
Smalls picked higher up in the draft rarely go on to the consistent level you need of high end picks. Pickett does stuff all most weeks, and then pulls the odd big one out of his ass, or snipes someone with a shoulder to the head. Weightman has long periods where he does nothing, before he hits his hot patches. Both were picked in the first rounds of their drafts. Clarke and Konstanty the two highest rated smalls last draft did not even debut at all this year and look like they have areas they need to improve on a bit. Jack Higgins went pick 17 and only kicked 3 or more goals three times this season, he has been a decent player but not pick 17 levels.
My concern is, is it worth trading up two first round picks, for a small forward who could get found out at AFL level size wise, and could be an inconsistent player like most smalls, when we have two bigger positions of need in MID and DEF? Just feels risky, then again all picks come with risks. But some positions seem to hold more so than others. If we are giving up a bit for pick 4, I'd be wanting someone who consistently lives up to playing like one.
Cameron and Papley, the two best smalls in the game were both rookie draft picks. Bolton went pick 29.
Smalls picked higher up in the draft rarely go on to the consistent level you need of high end picks. Pickett does stuff all most weeks, and then pulls the odd big one out of his ass, or snipes someone with a shoulder to the head. Weightman has long periods where he does nothing, before he hits his hot patches. Both were picked in the first rounds of their drafts. Clarke and Konstanty the two highest rated smalls last draft did not even debut at all this year and look like they have areas they need to improve on a bit. Jack Higgins went pick 17 and only kicked 3 or more goals three times this season, he has been a decent player but not pick 17 levels.
My concern is, is it worth trading up two first round picks, for a small forward who could get found out at AFL level size wise, and could be an inconsistent player like most smalls, when we have two bigger positions of need in MID and DEF? Just feels risky, then again all picks come with risks. But some positions seem to hold more so than others. If we are giving up a bit for pick 4, I'd be wanting someone who consistently lives up to playing like one.
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Would pick 4 end up as 5 if North gets 3 for McKay and someone bids on Walter.
Does that matter ?
Does that matter ?
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The raw goals are irrelevant in the Coates league because he largely was playing midfield. The rest of the year he was kicking bags at school footy or at Vic Metro.
Round 1: 17 touches and 2 goals
Round 2: 27 touches and 1 goal
Round 3: 34 touches and 2 goals
Round 16: 20 touches and 1 goal (3 behinds)
Round 17: 22 touches
Watson is not just a pure small forward. The kid is going to be an absolute star.
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Outside of Reid and Walter. Duursma, McKercher, Watson and Curtain are considered the next best group. One of those will slip to pick 4/6 regardless. It just means we will have one less to choose from if North get Pick 3. Where if they do not get pick 3, then two of that group would be available around the Suns pick instead of the one.
It will be a matter of trying to guess which one will be the one to slide to the Suns pick. If the Dogs trade up to target someone specific, we will be hoping for sure that they will be there.
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Agree , if we end with 4 or thereabouts, surely we don’t draft Watson.
Has to be best mid available.
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Without having any idea who is who in this years draft, my preference would be to try to get 17 up to before the expected bid for Croft, and take 10/11 into the draft, rather than upgrade those picks for one player.
Get two high end talents in if we can.
May not be possible, which I get, but this would be my preference (somehow)
Get two high end talents in if we can.
May not be possible, which I get, but this would be my preference (somehow)
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Yeah but will he be a MID or FWD at AFL level? At 170cm, you wouldn't think he would be used on the inside game, would be more an outside type.
What is his contested ball ratio and kicking efficiency like? Tackling? As a MID.
And my point was more, if he is drafted with the intention of being a pure small forward and not a MID/FWD. You'd want him to produce every week if he is going to be the highest picked small forward in recent history at pick 4. Just pointing out that every first round picked small in recent years has not lived up to their high pick status. All of them were guns at under 18s as well. If I am using pick 4, I'd want to be sure they will produce most weeks. You'd want to hope he turns into a Papley or Cameron.
Will give him heaps of credit for his ability to find a lot of the ball though. Something even most smalls struggle to do if played higher up the ground.
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If we did this the only option would be Sanders providing North don't get to pre select him.
Duursma and Watson are the other two options both being forwards with midfield potential.
Because Gardner and Keath are just unbelievable field kicks and rebounders aren’t they. I’d say Liam Jones isn’t the most spectacular field kick but far superior than the other options. This bloke is a physical beast who would rarely get beaten one on one down back. Let him fly for his marks down back and actually turn our big weakness into a potential point of difference. The argument about his rebounding and field kicking are interesting because in his 2018 season they were rarely highlighted as unfixable flaws. I understand he may have deficiencies there but it’s worth a try. Watching Melbourne and Collingwood it is clear finals are won on the ability to defend, I think we have enough weapons up front to kick a winning score- would like to see them give it a crack for at least a few games.
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I’d hope so. Would be negligent not to.
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Everyone has lamented Gardner and Keath’s kicking most of the year. And Naughton’s kicking has been a weakness ever since he was drafted
So given it cost us multiple games this year as a forward why does it not count against him there and only down back?
They are all better kicks than Aaron is. I don't think we can carry more than 1 bad kick and neither does the club with both JoD and Buss far better users of the ball. He's just not suited to that role in the modern game he's a better CHF
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That's the hard thing. Croft could go anywhere from 10 to 30. And we can't rely on being told anyone will bid. Think it's either get rid of 17 or accept that we'll miss Croft if bid on before then. Best case scenario Bris go out in straight sets (please footy gods).
Can’t see either the saints or giants beating them up there
Gee depending on the money left on his contract and what picks he'd cost, I'd consider Dougal Howard.
The same Dougal Howard that Zaine Cordy is keeping out of the 22? No thanks
He’s an expensive Gardner
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I was keen when he moved to the Saints, but he doesn't seem to have developed at all since then, he seems to have regressed....
Have to agree the prospect of Watson at pick 4 is a concern. That at the higher level of athleticism that his bag of tricks just isn't going to translate.
I would prefer to take a chance on Duursma someone who can start on a wing or HHF with scope to develop into an inside mid. And can hit the scoreboard while doing it.
Would be interesting to know who the club would be targeting at pick 4 if we are thinking of pulling the trigger on doing a deal for the pick
Cordy has kept him out of the Saints side. Any player who is ranked below Cordy, shouldn’t be a target for us. Particularly one as well paid as Dougal Howard.
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I hear what you say but then I look at someone like Markov who has blossomed at the Pies and plays a role.
Sometimes clubs need to be good at identifying players to play specific roles and backing their development system to be able to assist that player to play that role.
Pies are a good example with players like Markov, McStay, etc etc
Something I think the Digs need to get better at
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Most years I would agree, this year the high end of the draft appears to offer much more of a premium compared to 2 in the teens.
The funny thing is both of those sides would pay a ransom for Naughton and it would be to play forward.
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