Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 6 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[cherrypie]

I have it on good authority that Bailey Smith

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Bailey Smith

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

8.5

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

3.8

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

19.8

5star

K

9.6

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

3.2

4star

D

14.8

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.2

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.4

5star

CL

1.6

4star

is set to demand a trade to Hawthorn any minute now

 

[TedDougChris]

I have it on good authority that Bailey Smith is set to demand a trade to Hawthorn any minute now

The Avatar to content ratio here is unbelievable !!

 

[Mojorisin]

So with trade week done and dusted and only draft to come, I’m still pretty confident we end up with Watson all said & done.

Round 1:

Cody Marra Lobb
West Naughty Watson

Treloar Libba Williams
English Bont Baz

Dale JOD JJ
Darcy Jones Richards

Macrae, Daniel, Coffield, Harmes

That sides stacked IMO, marking power up front & down back. Speed in the fwd line with the addition of Watson & Harmes. Great midfield rotations with a harder/defensive edge in Harmes & West. Treloar & Baz for speed on the wing, with a good defensive winger in Williams on the other and some decent rotation options in Harmes, Watson, Daniel.

Intercept marking & closing speed in our talls down back and a heap of speed & skill off half back too. Balanced, no real massively weak points and the bottom end is a far cry from this year.

If that sides not making top 4 I genuinely give up

Just lacking a pressure forward otherwise looks good.
I still prefer Darcy forward, I'm happy to play the long game with him and only bring him up when his form demands it or a KPF is injured. After an interupted year some consistency and the luxury of stringing games together will do him wonders.

 

[cherrypie]

The Avatar to content ratio here is unbelievable !!

IF the avatar is representative of the poster THEN I am full of shit

 

[TedDougChris]

IF the avatar is representative of the poster THEN I am full of s**t

You are one of us, so.....

 

[doggies ftw]

Just lacking a pressure forward otherwise looks good.
I still prefer Darcy forward, I'm happy to play the long game with him and only bring him up when his form demands it or a KPF is injured. After an interupted year some consistency and the luxury of stringing games together will do him wonders.

I think there’s enough there with Cody, West, Watson & Harmes TBH, only just but enough

I think that’s the way it will go with Darcy but he’s that good if he plays 5 games in the twos he will force his way in. He just makes himself have to be picked when he’s on the park because he’s that good

 

[Doggy]

Good chance we end up with Sanders and not Watson

 

[weltschmerz]

Just lacking a pressure forward otherwise looks good.
I still prefer Darcy forward, I'm happy to play the long game with him and only bring him up when his form demands it or a KPF is injured. After an interupted year some consistency and the luxury of stringing games together will do him wonders.

Darcy would also be able to spend a bit of time forward when one of our other key forwards needs time on the bench, or English needs time on the bench and Lobb is rucking.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

So pick 5, Croft, Lual (hopefully), remnant pick, Harmes, Coffield? Am I missing something?

 

[weltschmerz]

So pick 5, Croft, Lual (hopefully), remnant pick, Harmes, Coffield? Am I missing something?

Lual or remnant pick I think, rather than both.

 

[Doggy]

There will probably be a ruckman in there somewhere maybe as a DFA

 

[badkicking]

How come he couldn't get back in the side.

 

[Libbaaaa]

So with trade week done and dusted and only draft to come, I’m still pretty confident we end up with Watson all said & done.

Round 1:

Cody Marra Lobb
West Naughty Watson

Treloar Libba Williams
English Bont Baz

Dale JOD JJ
Darcy Jones Richards

Macrae, Daniel, Coffield, Harmes

That sides stacked IMO, marking power up front & down back. Speed in the fwd line with the addition of Watson & Harmes. Great midfield rotations with a harder/defensive edge in Harmes & West. Treloar & Baz for speed on the wing, with a good defensive winger in Williams on the other and some decent rotation options in Harmes, Watson, Daniel.

Intercept marking & closing speed in our talls down back and a heap of speed & skill off half back too. Balanced, no real massively weak points and the bottom end is a far cry from this year.

If that sides not making top 4 I genuinely give up

So much of that forward setup depends on the smalls to maintain some semblance of pressure. We shouldn’t be relying on Naughton to be the main pressure applying forward.

Cody needs to watch tape all off-season on how to crumb to our talls and how to stick an effective tackle. His hangers are nice but I’d pressure him to be more Beau McCreery than a mini Modra.

 

[ScragCity]

What did we get for Smith and JUH?

 

[weltschmerz]

What did we get for Smith and JUH?

Adrian Dodoro

 

[ossie_21]

Agree on Croft, the way Power has spoken about him I reckon he walks into the defensive group day 1 of preseason

Whatever they see him as, they need to make the call on day 1.

If he’s going to be a defender, start training with the defensive group. If he’s going to be a forward, send him to the forwards group.

None of this versatility BS and be like “he’s a forward now but we see him as a defender long term”. If he’s going to be a defender, keep him at that end and don’t waste years of development.

 

[Frewy]

Darcy would also be able to spend a bit of time forward when one of our other key forwards needs time on the bench, or English needs time on the bench and Lobb is rucking.

I doubt we will see Darcy or Lobb in the same side again unless English gets injured and Lobb takes over #1 ruck. They have the same job and there is a natural progression for hand over in the years to come.

Lobb had a great last few games, one of the few and I think he now understands his role a lot better than being the main target at Fremantle. He was only slightly under career form playing the same role when all was said and done.

I'd expect more or less the same stats from Rory next year somewhere between 1.0 - 1.5 goals and 10 HO a game. What he does without the ball will be more important in terms to team strategy, setup and lock in defence.

 

[flipper83]

So with trade week done and dusted and only draft to come, I’m still pretty confident we end up with Watson all said & done.

Round 1:

Cody Marra Lobb
West Naughty Watson

Treloar Libba Williams
English Bont Baz

Dale JOD JJ
Darcy Jones Richards

Macrae, Daniel, Coffield, Harmes

That sides stacked IMO, marking power up front & down back. Speed in the fwd line with the addition of Watson & Harmes. Great midfield rotations with a harder/defensive edge in Harmes & West. Treloar & Baz for speed on the wing, with a good defensive winger in Williams on the other and some decent rotation options in Harmes, Watson, Daniel.

Intercept marking & closing speed in our talls down back and a heap of speed & skill off half back too. Balanced, no real massively weak points and the bottom end is a far cry from this year.

If that sides not making top 4 I genuinely give up

My concern with that side is that I feel like small forwards could get a hold of us. Richards is the only one there remotely capable of defending small.
With Durea looking past it maybe Gallagher could pay that role?

Good chance we end up with Sanders and not Watson

I heard someone in the media, pretty sure it was Twomey, say North were likely to go Duursma and Curtin at 2 and 3 if they kept them which would leave us whoever Hawks don't take out of Watson and McKercher.

 

[weltschmerz]

I heard someone in the media, pretty sure it was Twomey, say North were likely to go Duursma and Curtin at 2 and 3 if they kept them which would leave us whoever Hawks don't take out of Watson and McKercher.

Ideal.

 

[AJARWA]

I would try Darcy on the Gorillas and see how he goes. Free Jones and JOD up

Darcy is no where near ready to take on key forwards. Couldn't even get through a game against Sydney as second ruck. He's a few years off yet.

I think he'll come good in 2025 when Lobb will be just about done.

 

[WAbulldog]

Geelong "won" the Ratugolea trade.
They got power to add 76 & 94 on top of their offer of 25. Lucky they held out an extra week.

I actually think they were a bit stiff to not get pick 112 as well.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Did we miss Essendon lifting the Trade Week Cup? Damn.

Guess I'll just console myself when Goldstein barely plays, they realise McKay played in defence for the team that's won half a dozen games in two years and Gresham and Duursma go missing and the joint implodes mid year before they win Trade Week again.

 

[doggies ftw]

So much of that forward setup depends on the smalls to maintain some semblance of pressure. We shouldn’t be relying on Naughton to be the main pressure applying forward.

Cody needs to watch tape all off-season on how to crumb to our talls and how to stick an effective tackle. His hangers are nice but I’d pressure him to be more Beau McCreery than a mini Modra.

Yeah definitely but there’s enough to work with there with Cody, West, Harmes and potentially Watson who’s a bit of a terrier too. I think Cody gets a bad wrap here tbh in regards to his pressure. He definitely needs to learn to stay down and crumb more but he gives his all chasing and tackling - it’s just left to too few to do it so the ones who are look worse.

We just can’t carry Daniel & Macrae as mostly forwards with the talls as well, they need to be utilised elsewhere on the ground.

 

[Here we go dogs]

Darcy is no where near ready to take on key forwards. Couldn't even get through a game against Sydney as second ruck. He's a few years off yet.

I think he'll come good in 2025 when Lobb will be just about done.

Won’t know unless you try it. I’d rather him play on a gorilla and get beaten by strength than burnt on a lead. Easier to provide support 1v1 than relying on players to cut off leading lanes.

Also not sure Darcy and Lobb are as like for like as people think. Darcy is much more of a focal point imo.

 

[doggies ftw]

My concern with that side is that I feel like small forwards could get a hold of us. Richards is the only one there remotely capable of defending small.
With Durea looking past it maybe Gallagher could pay that role?

I heard someone in the media, pretty sure it was Twomey, say North were likely to go Duursma and Curtin at 2 and 3 if they kept them which would leave us whoever Hawks don't take out of Watson and McKercher.

Richards & Coffield too can defend smalls IMO. JJ is underrated defensively too, yeah he’s attack first but he holds up pretty well on the quicks when he needs to. Agreed Gallagher looks good for this soon too - I’m really keen to get him into the side.

It’s an interesting one because I don’t think you can really afford to play negative small defenders these days or one at the absolute most.

It’s probably why small forwards seem to be taking over games more and more these days - but for the most part the ones that are going to trouble you and really take over games usually do it aerially like Cameron, Greene, even Cody etc so that’s why I think Ed is perfect for that, can go with them for pace and in the air and doesn’t like to get beaten defensively.

Other than that I think it’s just system, you need to mop up the contest at ground level to stop the crumbers and you don’t want to get caught out the back too badly. But I don’t think you need genuine stoppers in defence for that, it’s really a team effort to stop those sort of opportunistic scorers.

So tldr I’m fine with a couple of guys like Richards & hopefully Coffield who can play short or tall and offer a bit the other way. I don’t think we really need any old school back pockets but a better system across the whole defense and I’d cop not having one for the extra drive you get out of defence from extta ball users.