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Got **** all for Dunkley in the end because he chose the team with two first round father-sons to match.
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Got **** all for Dunkley in the end because he chose the team with two first round father-sons to match.
How much can you earn with an ambassadorship role at a company like Cotton On? Asking for a friend.
Spot on this years is a glorified 2nd rounder now more then happy to forgo
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I am sure the AFL will look into this with their feather duster
Cotton On and Cats will make sure this gets done with minimal impact on their salary cap
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Some nice farmland outside of Geelong, maybe a share in a pub that can sell a new drink...
The AFL still have an integrity unit? Nah, why bother...
Any wonder why we get so angry? Joke of a competition.
Small clubs flounder, big clubs succeed and when they occasionally flounder they get back up quickly because that's what this competition does.
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The afl are to pre-occupied thinking about opening rounds, wild card rounds and other initiatives to ruin the fabric of the game.
Would be shocked if Sam Power doesn’t initially ask for their first + future first.
We will then work out what we need to send with Baz to get it done.
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We won't be 'taking unders for him' as if it's a choice.
We're victims of the system.
The system says that we either trade him to his club of choice and, in this case, likely get unders in return or we get nothing.
It's a binary choice and that's the problem.
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Smith should be worth a pick of around 10, given the values that other trades and free agency compensation have placed on players over the past few years.
Geelong or whomever Smith nominates should be told pick 10 or the equivalent is the price for Smith. It should be up to the club that wants Smith to find a way to get a pick equivalent to 10. We stood firm with Dunkley and Essendon and then caved to Brisbane. How long are we going to be a feeder club?
Unless we change our attitude to the deal that we get from the AFL and their systems we will also be an also ran, largely irrelevant club.
**** that!
Geelong or whomever Smith nominates should be told pick 10 or the equivalent is the price for Smith. It should be up to the club that wants Smith to find a way to get a pick equivalent to 10. We stood firm with Dunkley and Essendon and then caved to Brisbane. How long are we going to be a feeder club?
Unless we change our attitude to the deal that we get from the AFL and their systems we will also be an also ran, largely irrelevant club.
**** that!
OUT OF CONTRACT BULLDOGS
BAILEY SMITH
Less than 72 hours after his side’s season-ending loss to the Hawks, the superstar on-baller has officially requested a trade from The Kennel. His want to move was as far from a surprise as any player in recent memory, but there was one big catch - he didn’t nominate a club of preference. Geelong were at ultra-short odds to be named his preferred destination of choice, but Hawthorn and Collingwood had also been linked much earlier in the year for his services. Whether or not Smith (and perhaps the Bulldogs) have intentionally kept his preference undisclosed by design remains to be seen, but make no doubt that the Bulldogs will want adequate compensation for their Pick 7 in the 2018 Draft. If not Geelong, where?!
RILEY GARCIA
Garcia has been incredibly unlucky to not play more senior football in 2024, and is in rare air with his stat lines in the VFL this season. Clearly far too good to be playing reserves, the 23-year-old is the victim of the Bulldogs’ senior side midfield being so strong; stuck behind Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore and Adam Treloar – not to mention the rise of Ed Richards on-ball. Born and bred in Western Australia, Garcia will naturally be talked about as a trade target for the Dockers and Eagles to poach. But the likes of Port Adelaide could also benefit from his services, and have previously been flagged as a club with interest in him. There’s definitely a world where Garcia stays put at Whitten Oval, but as a player in high demand he is well within his rights to assess his options elsewhere.
JASON JOHANNISEN
The 2016 Norm Smith Medallist has been plagued by injury across his last three seasons, with his 11 matches last year the most of any season since 2021. His nine games to start off this season were strong, before a moderate-grade hamstring strain ruled him out until the md-season bye. A further calf injury in July at training made a late-season charge for time in the AFL far-fetched, but a strong finish to the VFL season could be enough to get him over the line for one more season at The Kennel. Keen to continue his career, if the Dogs don’t offer him a contract in 2025, will another club take his senior experience and game-breaking playing style on board?
TAYLOR DURYEA
The former Hawk has been a staple in Luke Beveridge’s side for the best part of six years, despite being delisted and re-rookied last off-season. Despite this, it just makes sense for Duryea to get another one-year deal at the Western Bulldogs, despite being 33 years of age. He played every game after Round 2 at Whitten Oval, and holds an important role for the side down in defence. Evidently the preferred player off half-back compared to Cale Daniel, it really would be a surprise for Duryea to not be playing in 2025 – but he may have to wait until after the trade period to officially put pen to paper.
BUKU KHAMIS
Interestingly, Khamis is still out of contract despite playing 17 games this season for Luke Beveridge’s side. A utility who can be swung both forward and down back, the 24-year-old has plenty of upside and would be a welcome asset to anyone who came knocking. Having signed a one-year deal in October last year – historically a very late time to put pen to paper – it looks like a similar scenario looming here. And despite playing significantly more senior football this year than last, Khamis may be better moving elsewhere. The Bulldogs would be silly to not keep him on board, but would that be in his own best interests if other clubs are willing to promise him more game time?
ALEX KEATH
The out-of-favour key defender faces an uphill battle for a contract extension at The Kennel, having only played five games in 2024 despite a shortage of talls in the back half throughout the season. With Rory Lobb now a preferred option down back, Luke Beveridge may move the former Crow on after 79 games as a Bulldog. At 32 years of age, Keath may not have heaps of time on his side – but he could definitely be suited to a club such as Richmond or North Melbourne as someone who can help keep a younger brigade in order amid rebuilds.
LACHIE MCNEIL
The South Australian product played a dozen games of AFL in 2024, and honourably fought his way back into the senior side after nine games during the early and middle part of the season in the reserves. After being delisted and picked up in the rookie draft last season alongside Taylor Duryea, his future is less certain at The Kennel, despite his time at the top level. Perhaps his fate depends on the trade period of the Bulldogs, but still only 23 years old, McNeil should have plenty of footy left in him at the top level regardless of whether the Dogs keep him on their books or not.
DOMINIC BEDENDO, CHARLIE CLARKE & KELSEY RYPSTRA
The final trio of Bulldogs currently left uncontracted in 2025 are all at varying stages of their time at The Kennel. Bedendo has played just two games in four seasons since being drafted, and despite a solid year in the reserves, may have left his run for another senior contract slightly too late. Clarke has been up and down in the same VFL side this year, and after one game in the senior side, may also be on the outer. Rypstra was taken in this year’s mid-season draft, but his season ended in Round 21 of the VFL season thanks to a high-grade hamstring injury. His future is a little more uncertain given his very short time at the club, and his future may oddly depend on the future of teammates in the coming weeks.
AND A WORD FOR A PAIR OF CONTRACTED DOGS...
JACK MACRAE
The out-of-favour midfielder, alongside Bailey Smith, seems one of the likeliest Bulldogs to call it quits at The Kennel this off-season. The 30-year-old played 19 senior games in 2024 but received limited opportunities — including being handed substitute duties for the fourth time this season in last Friday’s elimination final loss. In a midfield boasting superstar skipper Marcus Bontempelli, maiden All-Australian Adam Treloar, perennial hard nut Tom Liberatore and breakout onballer Ed Richards, Macrae has fallen down the pecking order since earning three consecutive All-Australian gongs between 2019 and 2021. If the former Oakleigh Charger does depart, he is expected to remain in Victoria, as recently put by Herald Sunjournalist Jay Clark. “Macrae’s going to have a really frank discussion with Luke Beveridge and the Dogs officials at season’s end,” Clark told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tackle early in the month. “This is going to be the question: ‘do you see me in your senior plans for next year?’ And if it’s a bit of a ‘not sure’, well then, he’s going to assess his options elsewhere. The issue is, with his family setup at the moment, he’s not particularly interested in leaving Melbourne … If he’s going to play in new colours next year, he wants to play at a Melbourne club.” The idea of a move to Geelong was floated — potentially with Smith — to bolster the Cats’ depth between the arcs, but there remains plenty to play out in this space. In reduced minutes around the ball this year, Macrae’s 18.4 disposals (11-year low), 2.6 inside-50s (11-year low) and 2.5 clearances (10-year low) per game have paled in comparison to his numbers and influence across the past decade.
CALEB DANIEL
The 2020 All-Australian played 16 senior matches this season; his lowest tally since his 2015 rookie season. Prior to this season, the 28-year-old had never started as the substitute — but he played the cameo role seven times this year as Beveridge’s match committee sought a different direction with eyes to the future. He did, however, play in six consecutive games between Round 20 and last Friday’s elimination final to close the year. While Daniel is slated to hit unrestricted free agency in 2026, reports indicate a mutual parting of ways could come as early as this off-season. “I don’t think he’ll be at the Kennel next year, to be honest,” Herald Sun journalist Jay Clark told Fox Footy’s Midweek Tacklein July. “(He’s on) $700,000; you can’t have him sitting in the twos, particularly when you’ve got Jack Macrae in the (reserves) as well … There are multiple clubs interested at the moment … He’s as popular at the Kennel as anyone, but it seems his cards are marked.” If a departure is ultimately in the cards, the South Adelaide product would appear more likely to return to his home state than anywhere else outside of Victoria.
Incredible to think they’d have the audacity to ask for a third rounder in return.
16 + 36 is valuing Smith around pick 8 which I think most would consider as being fair value (hello Josh Battle). Sending back a future third drops it to picks 12-14 at best guess depending on results next year.
BulldogMuscle
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Hawks had pick 4 on the table for a contracted Smith last year, we said no.
Dogs have ****ed this up royally. Could of had Watson and Sanders.
Two first is probably over, their first this year isn't enough, they won't want to part with their F1.
So it'll be something like their first + 2nd or F2, or maybe both the F2 and this year's 2nd on top of their first IF we drive a hard bargain.
No need to stress over it, is is what it is. If you lose a player you want to keep, you've already lost and draft picks are never really a fair compensation. Hard to say we have tried hard to keep Bailey given our two year offer, so no hard feelings.
"Winning" trade week is actually about retaining guys you want to keep and attracting the missing pieces you need IMO. So much energy goes into debating draft picks that don't matter much in the end. Always frustrating to lose a guy like Dunkley who we wanted to keep for what felt like unders, but we were already the losers when he requested out.
We've been great at retention in recent years (Dunkley aside). We've been comparatively poor at attracting talent, although Lobb/Jones/Keath/Bruce/Treloar is a huge improvement on the decade or so previous.
So it'll be something like their first + 2nd or F2, or maybe both the F2 and this year's 2nd on top of their first IF we drive a hard bargain.
No need to stress over it, is is what it is. If you lose a player you want to keep, you've already lost and draft picks are never really a fair compensation. Hard to say we have tried hard to keep Bailey given our two year offer, so no hard feelings.
"Winning" trade week is actually about retaining guys you want to keep and attracting the missing pieces you need IMO. So much energy goes into debating draft picks that don't matter much in the end. Always frustrating to lose a guy like Dunkley who we wanted to keep for what felt like unders, but we were already the losers when he requested out.
We've been great at retention in recent years (Dunkley aside). We've been comparatively poor at attracting talent, although Lobb/Jones/Keath/Bruce/Treloar is a huge improvement on the decade or so previous.
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I think I heard or read somewhere that B.Smith had his reconstruction done by his own doctor not the club surgeon D.Young?
If this is correct I would not have sent him to his European holiday
If this is correct I would not have sent him to his European holiday
In fairness, that was pre his ACL which absolutely has an affect.
Two firsts is over if they are top 10 two firsts isn't if they're 18-22
BulldogMuscle
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Yeah, hindsight and all.
Just frustrating.
Yes Bevo mentioned it in one of the press conferences it wasn’t D.Young that did the surgery
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