Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Anja_Nees]

This is the biggest issue right now.

Had to fix this but looking unlikely.

A dramatic improvement from Arty could help. He has a lot more to offer offensively but I doubt he has their running ability.

What we really need is someone who can do all the things the coaches like about those two but who takes their chances when they’re given.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

No thanks. I'm pretty sure he has familial links to Bevo and might get undeserved games over guys like Sanders.

So Beveridge has no integrity?

 

[Philthy1]

Absolutely must sign Garcia

Not if he can’t force his way into the team…

 

[Anja_Nees]

Not if he can’t force his way into the team…

I don’t know why he’s always the first omitted but you’d hope he’s been told.

If he’s clear on why he gets dropped so often and thinks he can fix it then great but otherwise he’d be mad not to just go somewhere else.

It’s similar to Lipinski - we offered him a few years but a footy career is short.

 

[King Harold]

Owies wouldn’t be a bad option.He is a natural forward and goal kicker.
Surely an upgrade on VDM and McNeil ?

 

[redmania]

Owies wouldn’t be a bad option.He is a natural forward and goal kicker.
Surely an upgrade on VDM and McNeil ?

He is

 

[Scotch N Coke Monatore]

What gets returned to sender?

 

[_Mike_]

the majority of a population don't sign contracts on a 1-9 year basis, and the purpose of most companies is to generate a profit for shareholders, not to win games of sport as a primary objective.

We’ll just have to agree that our views are not aligned and leave it there. Parties are free to contract terms, some terms will be implied by either legislation (FWA, OH&S, Discrimination Acts etc) or a registered instrument such as an EBA/CBA.

Players are not entitled to a profit share of a club unless it’s written into their agreement, which the AFL would not support as its player wages/benefits outside the cap directly associated with the club.

Players can’t sue a club for missed opportunity in earnings when they terminate. It will be required to be the club’s breach that caused the loss.
(This is when club offloads a contracted player and pays partial wages for example the case of Collingwood and the Dogs)

The club isn’t obligated to compensate Macrae for his termination of the player contract, unless there is an express term clearly included in his player contract that the club agreed that it would.

 

[RWnBluey]

Not if he can’t force his way into the team…

If we lose all of Macrae, CD and Garcia it leaves our midfield depth worryingly thin. If we’re not looking to bring in another mid we need to retain him

 

[weltschmerz]

Butters grew up in the Western Suburbs, played for the Western Jets, supported the Dogs as a kid, and was a top draft pick that ended up drafted interstate and has turned into a very good player.

Excluding the "supported the Dogs as a kid" element, there's a very short list of players that all of those factors are also true, and we typically are linked to those players ... for precisely the reason we can offer things that other clubs can't (like living close to family and the club).

That list of players, going back to the 2011-12 expansion era, is very short:

Zak Butters
Xavier O'Halloran
Cam Rayner
Daniel Venables
Liam Duggan
Will Hoskin-Elliott

We've genuinely been linked to all of those players at some stage.

The very fact that we haven't been able to get any of those seven players over the line is more just representing nuances case-by-case and a small sample size of players:

Butters: heavily involved
O'Halloran: we've been heavily linked and some in the know posters have suggested we were on the edge of recruiting him in more than one off-season recently
Rayner: we've been heavily linked
Venables: Concussion ended his career before whether he would want to move back to Melbourne or not would be relevant
Duggan: We were heavily linked early in his career. Eagles were able to keep him by basically paying him all the money they got off their books when their six or seven million dollar per year premiership players' contracts expired over the last few years
Hoskin-Elliott: He was traded in the 2016-17 offseason in the same time that he was a talented young player being pushed out of a top GWS team wanting more opportunity. Given we traded out Koby Stevens and Nathan Hrovat that same off-season we were never going to trade for a player like Hoskin-Elliott when we could have just kept one of those two players with the same vague age/ability.

Heavily linked is one thing, but zero have actually come to us. Closest we’ve had is Nick Coffield.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Owies wouldn’t be a bad option.He is a natural forward and goal kicker.
Surely an upgrade on VDM and McNeil ?

Ugh

 

[weltschmerz]

People here would choose an inanimate carbon rod over VDM and McNeil and the extent to which they’re being blamed for everything wrong with the side is getting ridiculous.

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

Owies wont offer much as far as forward pressure. We have no shortage of goalkickers

 

[Libbaaaa]

Inside Trading article

DOG WEIGHS FUTURE​

THE WESTERN Bulldogs have offered Riley Garcia a two-year extension, but the West Australian is weighing up his future after being starved of opportunities in 2024.

Garcia played a career-high 12 games for Luke Beveridge this season, proving he is over the injury issues that impacted his first few seasons at the Whitten Oval.

The 23-year-old starred for Footscray this year, averaging 29.8 disposals and 7.5 tackles from 11 appearances in the VFL to finish equal seventh in the J.J. Liston Trophy.
Port Adelaide, West Coast, St Kilda and North Melbourne are all understood to have expressed varying levels of interest in the out-of-contract midfielder.

But with Jack Macrae and Bailey Smithboth requesting trades this month, Garcia could stay at the Bulldogs and fight for a spot in a deep midfield again in 2025.

Garcia has had his exit interview and will return to Perth later this week before making a decision about his future. – Josh Gabelich

Was starved of opportunities yet in the next paragraph mention made that he played a career high 12 games.

Looks up who we picked to pass on Butters

Going by this we also passed on Nat Fyfe, James Hird, Buddy etc… 10 teams passed on Butters.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

The club isn’t obligated to compensate Macrae for his termination of the player contract, unless there is an express term clearly included in his player contract that the club agreed that it would

I think you're missing the point a bit here. A trade request by the player isn't a request for a contract termination. Macrae would only seek to terminate his contract with the Dogs as as the final, simultaneous action to him signing a new contract with another club and those two clubs coming to a trade decision, not before.

The Dogs further have no right to terminate Macrae's contract merely on the basis of a trade request.

 

[Ash1337]

Jemaine Jones? Had some good years at eagles before this season.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Jemaine Jones? Had some good years at eagles before this season.

He was on our VFL list and training as part of the pre-season (with good reports) until he was picked up by the Eagles in the late pre-season.

I think any players any of the explicitly three bad teams delist this player are a million miles off getting onto the list of any of the teams that made finals this year, in any case, just on the basis of those ladder positions alone.

 

[W W Biscuit]

Was starved of opportunities yet in the next paragraph mention made that he played a career high 12 games.


Going by this we also passed on Nat Fyfe, James Hird, Buddy etc… 10 teams passed on Butters.

I'm furious that we passed on Chris Grant 8 times in the 1988 VFL draft before selecting him with pick 105. Club has never really recovered.

 

[dergert]

At least we will get Rory Atkins

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Rory Atkins

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.9

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

7.9

5star

M

4.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

367.4

5star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

0.3

1star

T

2.7

4star

MG

147.7

3star

D

14.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

5.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.2

3star

MG

217.8

4star

!

 

[Ash1337]

He was on our VFL list and training as part of the pre-season (with good reports) until he was picked up by the Eagles in the late pre-season.

I think any players any of the explicitly three bad teams delist this player are a million miles off getting onto the list of any of the teams that made finals this year, in any case, just on the basis of those ladder positions alone.

With Eagles players OoC I feel he was cut for list spots and just unlucky. He has the tools to be a good wing hbf etc (not sure about his tank though) and is a better option than other delisted players like Bonner & Hind who have horrible disposal.

 

[lachy]

Hard to see us making top 4 at the moment. Maybe in the 8 is a stetch. Let's hope we can improve with some ins.

So we miss top 4 by a game with a lot of our better players still developing, some possible elite players, some moving to very good,and a couple at least in the VFL ready to step up. We saw significant improvement from round 8, as we started to adjust to our new game plan and 2 key position changes also made a difference.

We are only losing 2 players, one who did not play a single game and the other moving as his role was insignificant yet we are going backwards!!!!

This board has some of the most negative supporters I have seen outside of Facebook.

Yes our finish was poor but overall we moved forward

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[lachy]

Owies wont offer much as far as forward pressure. We have no shortage of goalkickers

Won't offer much is a bit of an understatement. If he was any good at his role he would not have been told to look elsewhere. The ultimate front runner

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[lachy]

With Eagles players OoC I feel he was cut for list spots and just unlucky. He has the tools to be a good wing hbf etc (not sure about his tank though) and is a better option than other delisted players like Bonner & Hind who have horrible disposal.

Comparing him to these 2 VFL level players does not make him any more attractive.

Unless we move on more of our role and depth players we should simply look at trading up to get as many picks in the top 30 as possible looking for speed, clean hands and good disposal. As Freijah showed this year young players can hit the ground running

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[Ash1337]

Comparing him to these 2 VFL level players does not make him any more attractive.

Unless we move on more of our role and depth players we should simply look at trading up to get as many picks in the top 30 as possible looking for speed, clean hands and good disposal. As Freijah showed this year young players can hit the ground running

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Yeah true. I wouldn't bother asking the question if didn't have those attributes though.

 

[DannyB4]

So Beveridge has no integrity?

Not saying that. But teacher's (coaches) pets exist. Don't want him turning out to be one of those like VDM.