Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Pencil case]

You'd be pretty annoyed if you're buss and signed a new contract only for us to chase another young kpd.

I’d rather see Buss getting games as I’d be confident he’d have the same output as 2024 SDK.

I’m probably alone in hoping we just take pick 15 to the draft.

 

[Redders98]

SDK is going nowhere according to Cal Twomey.

So umm, what now

 

[Doggies7]

Yeah it seems crazy to turn down a talent like SDK (not that he is even available apparently) but I would rather say pick 15 and a future 2nd rounder plus back in Buss / JOD / Khamis to be the third tall, rather than just SDK.

Buss looked really good down the stretch in the VFL, should be bigger, fitter and stronger after another pre-season and ready for regular AFL games. JOD is still young in his development and should be better also.

 

[Northernsoul74]

I’m assuming Collingwood ridiculous band 1 triggering offer to Perryman is to sweeten a Peatling to Collingwood deal as well?

 

[PocketRocket08]

Isn’t juh on the trade table?

im hearing it’s a possibility and a potential suitor could offer two first round picks for this years draft. If so surely we then offer those two picks for butters.

 

[DiamondDogs8]

SDK is going nowhere according to Cal Twomey.

So umm, what now

A real bonfire-pisser.

Faith in Buss.

 

[RWnBluey]

SDK is going nowhere according to Cal Twomey.

So umm, what now

The ol’ ‘He’s contracted and a required player’ stance ‘ey. Never heard that one before

 

[dergert]

SDK is going nowhere according to Cal Twomey.

So umm, what now

I'm sure Geelong have some slow inside midfielder we can use as a small pressure forward.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I'm sure Geelong have some slow inside midfielder we can use as a small pressure forward.

Have heard Cats have offered Gary Cowton AND John Moylan, AND will throw in tall ex-Tasmanian defender Mark Williams (on one leg) for free!
(Sorry, still got PTSD from that 1978 North 'swap' for Dempsey. Luckily Smith is nowhere near his level.)

 

[Marencis12]

AFL industry needs to start to think like EPL in many ways.
EPL it’s the squad that is vital not the players who take to the field in the big games

AFL should increase list sizes and play 34 round season and limit the games each player can play in a home and away season
Eg Bont can only play in 28 games therefore he misses 6 games and it is the squad that wins the season

I’ve wanted to say this so much but have always been shut down because of the sport being different. I’ve brought it up in discussions and always get pushed back. I come from a soccer background (I do call it football, but for reasons to not confuse people on here, I’ll stick to the differential for now) and have always seen that there is so much that footy can grab from the premier league and the other bigger European leagues too.

Postecoglou has a group chat with Bevo and other coaches I’ve heard.

I would love to ask Bevo if he’s ever watched the All or Nothing doco’s - they’re powerful when it comes to the coaching side of things etc.

 

[BeMoreBont]

Anyone else slightly concerned that Lobb got so far down the track with another club mid year, that we still see him request a trade?

I understand he's contracted. And our asking price trade wise has probably gone from a 4th rounder mid year to a 1st rounder now. Still a slight concern for mine.

Pick wise, what would we be willing to give him up for?

 

[hujsh]

Anyone else slightly concerned that Lobb got so far down the track with another club mid year, that we still see him request a trade?

I understand he's contracted. And our asking price trade wise has probably gone from a 4th rounder mid year to a 1st rounder now. Still a slight concern for mine.

Pick wise, what would we be willing to give him up for?

Lobb is contracted so only reason we'd trade him is if we wanted to. If he asks for a trade, well that's what he did before being Freo's leading goal kicker so doubt he'll sook

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

at this point Lobb is our best defender, so if he's happy to stay in the role there's no reason to think either party would be keen to do anything this year.

 

[Pugz89]

Have been told Oliver to Geelong is very likely, with Geelong paying 700k of his yearly salary. It'd leave what will range between 300-500k for Melbourne to pay per year for the rest of his deal. Geelong have offered pick 35.

That's worse than the Pies/Treloar deal. Melbourne really got caught out with the contract and Oliver's form since signing.

If pick 35 is all they give up, they can bring Smith in without losing SDK.

 

[ArNcHiSe]

AFL industry needs to start to think like EPL in many ways.
EPL it’s the squad that is vital not the players who take to the field in the big games

AFL should increase list sizes and play 34 round season and limit the games each player can play in a home and away season
Eg Bont can only play in 28 games therefore he misses 6 games and it is the squad that wins the season

So your solution is that the AFL should introduce more rounds so players play more games to fix fatigue?

 

[adogsfan5]

I have so much faith in Sammy Power that I’m not concerned at all at this point. We also draft very very well.
He’s so good at what he does.
We are in good hands whatever route we go.

 

[Doggy]

Really have to bring in some trade targets.

Can't br losing all that experience and bring in a few middling draft picks

 

[SweatOnMySkin]

Not really feeling like we're going to land much. Maybe XOH if we cough up enough. Peatling seems to have had a meeting with half the league, so not holding my breath on him.

 

[Doggy]

Not really feeling like we're going to land much. Maybe XOH if we cough up enough. Peatling seems to have had a meeting with half the league, so not holding my breath on him.

Just losing players for middling draft picks... ugh

 

[bobs head soup]

Really have to bring in some trade targets.

Can't br losing all that experience and bring in a few middling draft picks

I look at it the opposite way. We have plenty of experience, need the best quality draft picks we can get.

Losing non-core 2023 players (B.Smith, Macrae, one of Daniel/Garcia) is;

• freeing up salary cap for the next couple of years to go for a Butters-like high quality target,
• giving more opportunity to the likes of Sanders, West, Jones
• giving us more looks in a deep draft.

To my way of thinking, that is sounder long term than grabbing an average player or 2 for the sake of adding experience.

 

[bobs head soup]

I have so much faith in Sammy Power that I’m not concerned at all at this point. We also draft very very well.
He’s so good at what he does.
We are in good hands whatever route we go.

Me too. The bloke is so good at what he does.

Looking over last year's trade/draft period, one (at the time) seemingly minor trade could go down as an an absolute masterstroke.

In a 4 way trade with Carlton, StKilda and Essendon, we ultimately traded out pick 40 and a future 4th for Coffield, 53 and 56.

Come draft night, 40 would've been swallowed up by matching with Croft, whilst 53 and 56 ended up being 45 and 48, with which we took Joel Freijah and Lachie Smith.

Coffield, Freijah and Smith for bugger all.

That's being a few moves ahead.

 

[doggy_dog]

I’d rather see Buss getting games as I’d be confident he’d have the same output as 2024 SDK.

I’m probably alone in hoping we just take pick 15 to the draft.

If we drafted a player at 15 who showed SDK’s form over the first few years of his career we’d be ecstatic, regardless of us needing to beef up some other positions. Still reckon there would be room for Buss games as well.

Sounds like it’s not going to happen anyway, which we really shouldn’t be surprised about. This is a club that wouldnt budge on Esava Ratugolea

 

[Dogs Rule]

The next couple of weeks round here...

 

[adogsfan5]

Edmund says SDK is absolutely not going anywhere.

 

[Dog 36]

So your solution is that the AFL should introduce more rounds so players play more games to fix fatigue?

Not a solution and mute argument as AFL
won’t do it or even consider it

I am an advocate each team plays each other twice.

So as to minimise player fatigue you cap the games each player can play in a season.

Increase your lists and have coaches manage their lists better and be tactically better in picking sides to play games by relying on a squad rather than best 22.

As a follower of EPL there are some big games played such as cup ties where best players are left out because of scheduling etc but managers plan game style and opposition to fit with the players playing that game.

The integrity of the AFL is lost when they decide the draw.