Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

Paul Roos was a bit advocate for raising the draft age. I don’t get it. I think if you’re good enough to play AFL at 18 then why should you suffer because some other kid isn’t mature enough?

But I haven’t a different view to most on here with that stuff I guess. As far as I’m concerned if Nick Daicos can balance school and footy when he’s 16 then why shouldn’t he be able to do it? Like Hannebery did? I can see why people are against this tho..

 

[Tommycash]

There's a lot to digest in the past few pages, and apologies if I have missed it, but another reason or two of continuing to draft mature players who may only get s handful of games is the importance of having a higher level at training - which in turn helps raise the bar of the young ones you do get in and the level of the team generally.

There's a reason why vfl players don't get to train with the afl list (or in another context why youth squads don't train with the senior team in the EPL) and that is because it does more harm to the top then it is worth to the bottom. If you flood a team with googy eggs then the overall standard at training is likely to decrease which will drag the team down.

Another linked matter is culture points. This seems to be the accepted reason why Tom Campbell

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3.0

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keeps getting on lists despite the fact everyone knows he isn't going to be an AA player. He apparently is an all round good guy and hard worker so helps keep standards up. In a role like the ruck where only one or two of maybe 4 get to play each week, it is important to have guys who will always give their all despite knowing they won't be getting a game on the weekend.

 

[TiAn_]

From Wiki:

Pavlich was 16 years old in 1998. The fact teams were even considering him under the ‘one 17 year old per club’ draft rule suggests he’d shown a bit already fairly early on.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Some players are very unlucky not to get drafted. It’s pretty common for the “flavour of the month” to be athletes so the footballers gets overlooked, goes the other way too.

And some are just nowhere near ready when they’re 18. Think Tom Stewart is on the record saying he would’ve gone very quickly out of the system if he was drafted when he was 18.

Dane Rampe another. Grew up in Sydney, overlooked in the draft, moved down to Melbourne to play for Willy, did a pre-season with us, overlooked again by us. Wasn't "ready" until he moved back to his home city of Sydney and was picked up by Sydney a year later.

By some respects Jack Redpath is ticks both boxes. Was a mature age recruit, but was "clogging" up the list by virtue of 0 games played the first 2 years with us. But then our decision to initially draft and then maintain him was correct, and he had a better than average career from a rookie listed plsyer

Anyway, the broad point I'm making (using recruiting new players as a similar decision to deciding to retain "clogging" players) is that

Pre-2015 ish - approximately 2/3 of "last spot on the list" players were 18 year olds. The 1/3 of delisted or mature ages were significantly better.

2015-now - approximately half of the "last spot on the list" players are 18 year olds. The 1/2 mature agents are slightly better, but the cap is closing

2024-?? Maybe approximately 1/3 of the "last list spot" players will be 18 year olds. They will be exactly as good as the 2/3 of delsited/mature agers/decision to retain players.

I'm not saying don't draft a Johannisen type 18 year old in the rookie draft. I'm just saying only do it 1/3 of the time not the 1/2 of the time that the league does it on average

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Historically - we play our midfield draftees early - we also have players coming through so I wonder what our early 23 looks like.

Let’s assume we get: Berry, Hynes or more likely Hynes Hannaford with our first two picks. We have also have show that we play our second rounders (Gallagher/Friejah etc).

Starting squad could look like:

FF: Berry JUH Darcy

HF: Weightman Naughton West

C: Richards Trelor Williams

R: English Bont Libba

HB: Dale Lobb JJ

FB: JOD Jones Duryea

Int: Friejah, Sanders, Bramble, Hynes

Emg: Garcia, Gallagher, Coffield, Khamis


Two years away we are still looking good.

I don’t think Naughton will go back but the team just feels stronger.

It also allows Khamis to play here he is really dangerous - when he plays here he kicks goals and has got better each year.

Allows Naughton to go forward when Darcy or JUH rest also - which should happen if we work them hard. Bont can swing forward more also.

West and Garcia to play large minutes in midfield. Likely to play a couple of first years next year also.

FF: Berry Darcy Khamis

HF: Weightman JUH West

C: Friejah Richards Gallagher

R: English Bont Sanders

HB: Dale Naughton Bramble

FB: JOD Busslinger Coffield

int: Garcia, Hynes, Eagleton, New?

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Historically - we play our midfield draftees early - we also have players coming through so I wonder what our early 23 looks like.

Let’s assume we get: Berry, Hynes or more likely Hynes Hannaford with our first two picks. We have also have show that we play our second rounders (Gallagher/Friejah etc).

Starting squad could look like:

FF: Berry JUH Darcy

HF: Weightman Naughton West

C: Richards Trelor Williams

R: English Bont Libba

HB: Dale Lobb JJ

FB: JOD Jones Duryea

Int: Friejah, Sanders, Bramble, Hynes

Emg: Garcia, Gallagher, Coffield, Khamis


Two years away we are still looking good.

I don’t think Naughton will go back but the team just feels stronger.

It also allows Khamis to play here he is really dangerous - when he plays here he kicks goals and has got better each year.

Allows Naughton to go forward when Darcy or JUH rest also - which should happen if we work them hard. Bont can swing forward more also.

West and Garcia to play large minutes in midfield. Likely to play a couple of first years next year also.

FF: Berry Darcy Khamis

HF: Weightman JUH West

C: Friejah Richards Gallagher

R: English Bont Sanders

HB: Dale Naughton Bramble

FB: JOD Busslinger Coffield

int: Garcia, Hynes, Eagleton, New?

assume Croft also plays.

 

[Royale]

Update to bobble head collection. It's not looking good. I've been angling for a Libba bobblehead for years but fear his inclusion may get him traded.

Only Wood as the retiree in this cohort.

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[Bulldogs85]

Update to bobble head collection. It's not looking good. I've been angling for a Libba bobblehead for years but fear his inclusion may get him traded.

Only Wood as the retiree in this cohort. View attachment 2163317

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Just started my little collection only have naughton and English but have kept them in the box I will be getting the Bont

 

[my plums]

Update to bobble head collection. It's not looking good. I've been angling for a Libba bobblehead for years but fear his inclusion may get him traded.

Only Wood as the retiree in this cohort. View attachment 2163317

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Tim English looks like Luke Breust and Bont on the left looks more like Tom Boyd! ha

 

[W W Biscuit]

Tim English looks like Luke Breust and Bont on the left looks more like Tom Boyd! ha

Bailey Smith is giving me Pablo Escobar vibes.

 

[House_of_Dahl]

Bailey Smith is giving me Pablo Escobar vibes.

The Baz one is weird looking. One of my kids found one in an Op Shop. Baz signed it at a game even. Fell off his shelf about a year ago and broke.... Hmm maybe it was a voodoo bobble head!

We also have a Bont one signed - not broken!

 

[Doggies7]

 

[Doggy]

Can you post it

 

[Wizard17]

Can you post it

DARCY DOMINO SET TO FALL​

Emerging star Sam Darcy shapes as being the likely first contract domino to fall for the Western Bulldogs as the club works on locking away three of its most important players beyond 2025.

The Herald Sun understands there have already been some early positive discussions surrounding a new deal for 21-year-old Darcy which could be finalised by Christmas.

His current deal runs out at the end of next year, and the forward-ruck could potentially become one of the competition’s best players during the course of his next contract.

He made it clear to this masthead he intends to recommit his future to the club where he is a third generation player, following on from his father Luke and his grandfather David.

“I leave that all to my manager, but I am really passionate about the club,” Darcy said.

“I can’t see there will be any problems with it (a new contract). I’m in no rush; we will see how it unfolds. But this club means so much to me. I’ve got a rich family history here.

“I grew up supporting this club and I’m very grateful to be living out my dreams playing here.”

Darcy is one of three key Bulldog contract priorities heading into next season, with six-time best and fairest winner and skipper Marcus Bontempelli and rising midfield star Ed Richards also about to enter the final year of their current deals.

All three are managed by Tom Petroro, which makes the collective negotiations smoother, with the Bulldogs extremely confident the trio will recommit long-term to the club.

After two injury-challenged seasons, Darcy came of age this year, playing 21 games and kicking 38 goals – just five goals fewer than club leading goalkicker Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

Bulldogs chief executive Ameet Bains said the club had three playing contracts “of particular significance” to focus on, but stressed he was confident in the outcome of all.

“We’ve got Marcus Bontempelli, Ed Richards and Sam Darcy … we are confident all three will get done,” Bains said. “All three of them want to sign.”

“There is the lineage of Sam and his father and his grandfather. The club means a lot to him and he means a lot to us.”

The Bulldogs are open to different outcomes for a potential Darcy deal, either locking in a two-year contract or pushing it out over four years.

“There are a lot of different variables which can determine the length of a contract,” Bains said. “Sam obviously has a lot of talent. With a young key position player, it is hard to forecast exactly how good they will be (by the end of a deal).

“You could do a longer contract and build in protections, or do a shorter contract and reassess it.

“ (List and recruiting manager) Sam Power is a very capable man and he will take care of all those three players, who have the same manager, which makes it easier.”

Darcy has returned from several weeks in Europe with some teammates and is looking forward to getting back into pre-season training next week.

“We strung together some good patches of form and hope we can carry that through to next year,” he said. “I just want to keep building on the foundations I set up last year and put in a big pre-season to hopefully set myself up for success in 2025.”

 

[Hoges64]

On phone, please forgive formatting...

Western Bulldogs to play Collingwood in their 100th year anniversary game as Sam Darcy moves closer to signing new deal
The Western Bulldogs will celebrate their 100th anniversary since joining the VFL-AFL competition with an MCG clash against a big Vic club. Plus the contract domino of a star set to fall.

Glenn McFarlane
@MaccaHeraldSun
November 12, 2024 - 6:45PM


The Western Bulldogs are targeting their highest home and away crowd in a one-off MCG home game against Collingwood in round 2 next year to mark the 100th anniversary of the club joining the VFL-AFL competition.

The Herald Sun can confirm Luke Beveridge’s Bulldogs will take on the Magpies in a prime-time clash on Friday, March 21, with chief executive Ameet Bains saying the game would give members a chance to honour the past while looking expectantly to the future.

The Bulldogs are hopeful this round 2 clash could smash the club’s previous home and away crowd record, with the aim to surpass their biggest away crowd of 68,447 against Richmond in 1974, and their biggest home crowd of 58,997 against Collingwood in 1993.

It comes as Bains expressed the club’s strong faith in Beveridge as the senior coach as he prepares to enter the last year of his current contract.

In a wide-ranging interview with this masthead, Bains also confirmed the Bulldogs:

• Were expecting a round 1 home clash at Marvel Stadium to commence the 2025 season

• Recently secured a new deal to play two AFL games and one AFLW game per season in Ballarat, replacing the recently-expired arrangement

• Were targeting 70,000 members for the first time in the club’s history, having had a third consecutive season of records this year, with 62,000 members.

• Planned a year-long celebration of its 1925 entry to the competition along with Hawthorn and North Melbourne, which included key events involving past players, members and even a book to commemorate the occasion.

THE CENTENARY BULLDOGS
ROUND: 2
OPPONENT: Collingwood
VENUE: MCG
DATE: Friday 21 March
TIME: 7.40pm AEDT

Bains said: “As an entire club, we are very excited to celebrate our 100-year anniversary next year with our fans, members, staff and players.”

“While we absolutely love playing our Melbourne home games at Marvel Stadium and remain committed to doing so, this one-off MCG home game provides a unique opportunity to acknowledge a significant milestone for our club.

“Being on footy’s biggest stage in a premier timeslot is something we all relish and it gives us a wonderful opportunity to surpass our largest home-and-away crowd figure (68,447) from 1974.

“We got a taste of it with almost 98,000 fans (at the MCG) this year for the elimination final (against Hawthorn), notwithstanding it was a disappointing result for us.”

Bains said there had not yet been a discussion on a possible new deal for Beveridge, who will enter his 11th season as Bulldogs coach next year.

“Everyone has been on leave, whether they were overseas or interstate, including the coach, but the football program is back on November 18, and we will look to pick up a range of different discussions at that point,” Bains said.

“Clearly, he has been the club’s most successful coach in our history. Even looking at last year, when things were a bit awry at 3-5, under his leadership and the other coaches, and the playing group, we managed to turn the season around.

“There is definitely confidence in him going forward and he is contracted until the end of next year. We will turn our mind to everything at that point in time.”

Bains was buoyant about the club’s 2025 prospects, which he hopes can result in strong on-field performances, but also a fourth straight year of record membership.

“Whether it’s 1924, 2024 or 100 years from now, our club always strives to inspire our members and fans to feel a genuine sense of belonging and pride in being an integral part of our Bulldogs family,” he said.

“After another record-breaking membership year in 2024 we’re aiming to hit 70,000 members in 2025, which would be an appropriately historic achievement.”

DARCY DOMINO SET TO FALL
Emerging star Sam Darcy shapes as being the likely first contract domino to fall for the Western Bulldogs as the club works on locking away three of its most important players beyond 2025.

The Herald Sun understands there have already been some early positive discussions surrounding a new deal for 21-year-old Darcy which could be finalised by Christmas.

His current deal runs out at the end of next year, and the forward-ruck could potentially become one of the competition’s best players during the course of his next contract.

He made it clear to this masthead he intends to recommit his future to the club where he is a third generation player, following on from his father Luke and his grandfather David.

“I leave that all to my manager, but I am really passionate about the club,” Darcy said.

“I can’t see there will be any problems with it (a new contract). I’m in no rush; we will see how it unfolds. But this club means so much to me. I’ve got a rich family history here.

“I grew up supporting this club and I’m very grateful to be living out my dreams playing here.”

Darcy is one of three key Bulldog contract priorities heading into next season, with six-time best and fairest winner and skipper Marcus Bontempelli and rising midfield star Ed Richards also about to enter the final year of their current deals.

All three are managed by Tom Petroro, which makes the collective negotiations smoother, with the Bulldogs extremely confident the trio will recommit long-term to the club.

After two injury-challenged seasons, Darcy came of age this year, playing 21 games and kicking 38 goals – just five goals fewer than club leading goalkicker Jamarra Ugle-Hagan.

Bulldogs chief executive Ameet Bains said the club had three playing contracts “of particular significance” to focus on, but stressed he was confident in the outcome of all.

“We’ve got Marcus Bontempelli, Ed Richards and Sam Darcy … we are confident all three will get done,” Bains said. “All three of them want to sign.”

“There is the lineage of Sam and his father and his grandfather. The club means a lot to him and he means a lot to us.”

The Bulldogs are open to different outcomes for a potential Darcy deal, either locking in a two-year contract or pushing it out over four years.

“There are a lot of different variables which can determine the length of a contract,” Bains said. “Sam obviously has a lot of talent. With a young key position player, it is hard to forecast exactly how good they will be (by the end of a deal).

“You could do a longer contract and build in protections, or do a shorter contract and reassess it.

“ (List and recruiting manager) Sam Power is a very capable man and he will take care of all those three players, who have the same manager, which makes it easier.”

Darcy has returned from several weeks in Europe with some teammates and is looking forward to getting back into pre-season training next week.

“We strung together some good patches of form and hope we can carry that through to next year,” he said. “I just want to keep building on the foundations I set up last year and put in a big pre-season to hopefully set myself up for success in 2025.”

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Nice to have 3 topliners up for contract renewals and just need details to be sorted out and no chance they will not sign.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Nice to have 3 topliners up for contract renewals and just need details to be sorted out and no chance they will not sign.

Petroro seems to have less controversy than Connors with his clients.