Strategy Trade and List Management Thread Part 7 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[Dogs_r_barking]

Quote from the Dee’s board:

Had to look it up to refresh, so Carlton traded this year's first for pick 14 which they used with their pick 12 in that three way trade with West coast and Richmond so they could land pick 3 which was Jagga Smith.
So let's say they traded 8, 12, 14 and 28 for pick 3. I hope that's right it's early in the morning and I just woke up.

Still think getting Croft, Sanders and Freijh was a bad draft.

 

[doggie dog]

Nope….most punchable head in footy. Some blokes I just can’t support and he is one of them

I have Toby Greene as my number 1, and Fritch as 2.

 

[BallaratBulldog]

That is an awful trade for all involved

I think we were right to take on Coffield. He is not a bad player but just a bit injury prone.

 

[X_box_X]

On Butters, it would be magnificent to land an elite player in their prime who doesn't come with baggage or injury concerns.

Treloar the closest to that but he had started to get soft tissue injuries and that has unfortunately worsened since we got him. Aker and Hall had a couple of very good seasons with us but that was at the end of their careers and we were only able to get them because they arrived with plenty of baggage. Different situation altogether.

I laughed at the end of 2003 when some supporters thought we had landed a big fish in Jade Rawlings. How did that turn out?

I reckon we have to go back to the end of 1996 when we landed Paul Hudson. He was awesome for us, instrumental in helping us to three consecutive top four finishes.

 

[Testekill]

Would you ask the question of Sam Walsh?

If his back injuries are chronic then that's pretty limiting for a footballer.

 

[Testekill]

I think we were right to take on Coffield. He is not a bad player but just a bit injury prone.

Yeah it was a moneyball trade that hasn't worked out because of injury, unfortunately that's just sometimes what happens. If he stayed fit and firing then it would be a different story.

 

[Mofra]

On Butters, it would be magnificent to land an elite player in their prime who doesn't come with baggage or injury concerns.

Treloar the closest to that but he had started to get soft tissue injuries and that has unfortunately worsened since we got him. Aker and Hall had a couple of very good seasons with us but that was at the end of their careers and we were only able to get them because they arrived with plenty of baggage. Different situation altogether.

I laughed at the end of 2003 when some supporters thought we had landed a big fish in Jade Rawlings. How did that turn out?

I reckon we have to go back to the end of 1996 when we landed Paul Hudson. He was awesome for us, instrumental in helping us to three consecutive top four finishes.

A bloke from GWS named Tom ended up ok for us.

 

[Bald]

On Butters, it would be magnificent to land an elite player in their prime who doesn't come with baggage or injury concerns.

Treloar the closest to that but he had started to get soft tissue injuries and that has unfortunately worsened since we got him. Aker and Hall had a couple of very good seasons with us but that was at the end of their careers and we were only able to get them because they arrived with plenty of baggage. Different situation altogether.

I laughed at the end of 2003 when some supporters thought we had landed a big fish in Jade Rawlings. How did that turn out?

I reckon we have to go back to the end of 1996 when we landed Paul Hudson. He was awesome for us, instrumental in helping us to three consecutive top four finishes.

Not many "elite" players really change clubs.

I'd say Bruce and Keath were incredible for us, had Bruce not done his knee he would've finished very high up in the Coleman, and who knows what may have happened on grand final day had he been there.

 

[bobs head soup]

That is an awful trade for all involved

Coffield effectively cost us less than a future 4th. He's only played 8 games but is still only 25.

Not sure he will ever be seen as an awful trade.

 

[dogwatch]

We probably felt stiffed at the time (Cameron was only 27 years old) but given who we were able to draft with those late picks I reckon this one turned out pretty well for us. Check out the expected games vs actual games.

Average trading but good drafting!

244: 1999 Trade for Leon Cameron
Richmond	Cameron (84 games)	expected 39	actual 84
Western Bulldogs	#37 (Hahn - 181 games) + #66 (Hargrave - 203 games)	expected 50	actual 384

 

[Unorth]

I doubt it happens.

However getting Butters out of the inevitable Marra trade request would be one of the few ways we draw even or come out ahead from that whole situation.

Maybe we’re waiting for the official request but it could be worth setting up early, if Port has any interest in JUH or creating a three team scenario.

We definitely will need to be proactive, this Bevo thing of not talking to players mid season is weird and puts us behind everyone else that does, like the Hawks.

 

[Dogs Rule]

With all the supposedly ITK media hacks giving us the usual garbage about Butters and that if he's going it'll be 'Collingwood, Hawthorn, blah blah...' I would love him to come out at some stage and say 'I'm off to the Dogs, off to win a flag with Bont.'

Hawthorn it seems are throwing themselves around and at anything that moves, so it would be good for us to just fly under the radar do the business and land a gun.

 

[Sentinel]

We probably felt stiffed at the time (Cameron was only 27 years old) but given who we were able to draft with those late picks I reckon this one turned out pretty well for us. Check out the expected games vs actual games.

Average trading but good drafting!

244: 1999 Trade for Leon Cameron
Richmond	Cameron (84 games)	expected 39	actual 84
Western Bulldogs	#37 (Hahn - 181 games) + #66 (Hargrave - 203 games)	expected 50	actual 384

OK but not amazing value for a player that some rate as the 2nd best Bulldog of all time, still in his prime.

 

[Angak]

If given a choice would you take Rowell or Butters?

 

[Chalky White]

Lazy/Selfish and puts no pressure on hard pass

I couldn’t deal with barracking for that hairstyle

 

[Chalky White]

If given a choice would you take Rowell or Butters?

Butters everyday of the week

 

[Foxman98]

If given a choice would you take Rowell or Butters?

Rowell

 

[lachy]

If given a choice would you take Rowell or Butters?

Definitely Rowell without hesitation

 

[Chalky White]

Pretty sure he just signed for 2 years

It means nothing these days

 

[Chalky White]

Definitely Rowell without hesitation

I’m Butters without hesitation but I would be not needing viagra if we got either.

 

[Foxman98]

Definitely Rowell without hesitation

Butters is no doubt a very good player and albeit it Rowell is yet to play in finals however when you look at Butters finals games you’d be pressed to find 2 good ones in here for the last 5 years and it’s a fairly large sample size

 

[Angak]

I would much rather we went for Butters next year when he's out of contract instead of giving up two first rounders for him this year.

 

[weltschmerz]

I would much rather we went for Butters next year when he's out of contract instead of giving up two first rounders for him this year.

I don’t think he’d cost much less next year.

 

[maddog37]

OK but not amazing value for a player that some rate as the 2nd best Bulldog of all time, still in his prime.


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[Golden_6]

If given a choice would you take Rowell or Butters?

Butters without hesitation. I think he fits what we need from a midfielder to absolute perfection with Treloar getting older.

A longer term group of Butters, Richards, Freijah & Sanders for the next 6-8 years is absolutely elite with the Bont still floating in and out. If we could turn JUH + change into Butters then it could rocket us into contention really quickly.