List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2020

[Scritchyscroony]

I could go for Jack Maibum. Anyone else like Jack Maibum?

 

[Football God]

I’m not buying the “Treloar is being forced out”.

We don’t have any history of that type of treatment to any player who’s been a good citizen and exemplary both on and off the field, like AT.
That type callousness is what sends bad vibes through a list and can be destructive.

And at a time when there’s been a change since 2017 to a more empathetic environment this would be a major reversal.

So it’s very hard not to conclude the journo’s are creating click bait at AT’s expense.

If it was to be false, there would probably be a one off twitter post from one journo and wait for it to marinate until club or player comes out and stop the nonsense rumour. Yes, its been one day so probably have to wait a couple days but when multiple reporters start talking about it there must be some truth to it and Tom Browne’s made multiple posts on his twitter today.

 

[AssassinAndy]

Merrett is not worth pick 10 on his own. A 1x AA outside midfielder.

Yes he is. Is every bit the equal of Treloar in terms of trade value.

 

[JB007]

I'm the biggest Lukosius fan you'll ever find, and I love King. But GC aren't trading either of those guys for Treloar.

To get Lukosius (and he'd be the most perfect list fit imaginable) it would take at least Treloar and a 1st round pick I would have thought if Jack was open to the trade, but I'm not sure why Jack would agree to leave. He seems comfortable up there and enjoyed having a defined role this year. King would require similar currency, but he's someone where if he's moving, he'd want to join Max at the Saints as they've both very close and both grew up Saints fans.

Thoughts on his development this year at GCS Knighter?

 

[gopies123]

I don’t think 5 becoming 6 really makes a difference does it? JUH is basically out of the draft pool so you’ve got McDonald, Hollands, Phillips, DGB, Thilthorpe all potentially within those next top 5 picks. There’s a strong likelihood that one of Phillips or DGB is there at 6 imo.

Also Cambell


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[cityslick1]

I'm not against the idea of Treloar leaving if we get some quality coming back our way. But if its true we're lacking in midfield now it's going to be even worse if Treloar leaves.

If we can obtain a pick to get Will Phillips (who will be one of the best from this draft imo) and free up cap space for someone like Jeremy Cameron, then it looks okay. A fringe midfielder like Fiorini or Brodie. You add a ready made in Fiorini + young midfield depth in Phillips + Reef (so we bat deeper if not as much quality) and fix key forward.

Something like:
OUT: Treloar + his salary IN: Pick 5, Fiorini

IN: Cameron + his salary

OUT: Tom Phillips + his salary, a 2nd round pick IN: Gunston + his salary, a 3rd round pick

IN: Will Phillips, Jackson Callow, Reef McInnes, a small forward (draft), Hayden Schloithe (rookie) Marlion Pickett (DFA)

If we need more salary and picks to swing this trade Cox, aim for a 2nd rounder back.

We fix key forward (Cameron + Gunston). We add some midfielders (Fiorini + Phillips + Reef). We can release De Goey to midfield. We add depth to our small forwards on the cheap (Pickett + Schloithe). We've committed to youth including a developing key forward (Phillips, Callow, Reef + Daicos next year).

Much prefer this re gunston, but again don’t know how he fits into cap.
People willing to trade a first and second for Gunston - even just a first, are nuts imo. Guy has 2 - 3 years left in him, after playing A LOT of football over past 8 years. Physically and emotionally draining imo.

 

[Apex36]

The club might be pushing out my favourite player, the same day the membership auto renewal emails comes. Tempted to take a year off lol

I am honestly OK with trading Treloar for a top draft pick if we're keeping it, but if it's just to send over to another club for Gunston or Ben Brown or some other player around 30 years old, I'll be pretty pissed off

We can do a mini rebuild, load up on high draft picks (+ McInnes and Daicos) and push in 2-4 years, with a strong core group of players still under 30-31. Adams, Grundy, Maynard, Moore, Checkers, Stevo, De Goey, Quaynor, Josh Daics, etc

If we trade a first for Gunston etc it will be 14 (which will probably end up being 18) and keep the pick for AT.

 

[Apex36]

Also Cambell


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I deliberately left out Campbell as he’s an academy player so basically not on the open market.

 

[BEEG]

Pies want two 1st for Treloar from GC.

 

[Apex36]

Much prefer this re gunston, but again don’t know how he fits into cap.
People willing to trade a first and second for Gunston - even just a first, are nuts imo. Guy has 2 - 3 years left in him, after playing A LOT of football over past 8 years. Physically and emotionally draining imo.

...? I don’t get this, all best 22 players play a lot of football over a long period. Are you saying a few extra games per year for finals somehow diminishes his longevity? The guy is as durable as they come, he could easily play another 4-5 years at the top level imo.

 

[Apex36]

Pies want two 1st for Treloar from GC.

Wat? Has Dodoro taken over from Ned Guy as our list manager?

 

[cityslick1]

Quick note on rendell / recruiting. Reckon that while Rendell has football smarts, Hine in the relationships guy - and has nailed some talent spotting decisions - Pendles, De Goey, Beams, Steele, Maynard, Noble, Mihocek. But for Rendell to go and Hine retained, can’t help thinking that Hine’s constant Time & background work on young players will be hoped can deliver a Logan McDonald type trade one day, no matter where he originally ends up...

 

[Knightmare]

I actually think JDG is about to explode. Provided his attitude is right, and has a bit of luck. Other than his shin splints, his injuries have been slightly innocuous (read fight, finger issues), so not structural, and explosiveness is still there in spades. He has adapted so quickly when returning, and defenders can’t stop him. Our delivery and forward strategy has just been shizen, otherwise he’d be averaging 3 a game.
Think He knows all this, so is maximizing value, but is obv a bit of a rogue about it. Just hope that if he stays, it doesn’t affect output. Trav was sh*te after his protracted contract talks and deal. Def affected him and the team.

so def more dusty than caddy for mine. Give him minutes in midfield and he will get touches, get a dominant midfield... and forward line coach, and he will dominate.

Carlton are seriously morons if they have chosen Saad - and even Martin to an extent - over the opportunity to have JDG, if numbers reported are to be believed.

If Treloar is leaving and sufficient salary cap space is retained to sign other key players while having the flexibility to freely add players this offseason and next, absolutely keeping De Goey is a good outcome.

I agree the delivery forward has been atrocious. I'm not seeing De Goey as a 60 goal a year forward though. I see his upside as being his 2018 play. Maybe eventually he's forced to play more midfield and his numbers can rise that way. That may be the best way to use him if he develops his endurance and let him rest forward when he's hot and feeling it.

Statistically as previously analysed, to date, De Goey is statistically significantly more similar to Josh Caddy than Dusty. Even in his best season, Caddy's best was on parr. Someone needs to get in his grill and let him know his best is no better than Josh Caddy's best. He needs that kind of rocket, because factually, it's correct. De Goey will have to improve radically to become Dusty great. If as a hypothetical De Goey was to become more a midfield as Dusty is, I don't see De Goey being as good even as Petracca who was a beast this year. The contested side to his game isn't nearly on that level to have that kind of upside.

On probability, De Goey is more likely to be a Jake Stringer kind of disappointment who never fulfils his potential than his chances of becoming Dusty level great. I fully expect he remains something more like who he is now, but I'm not seeing the ceiling many are speculating.

On Carlton, I like their plans to add Saad and Williams this offseason. They're both big time footballers and will improve them greatly. Jack Martin isn't a bad get for them at all by any means. Papley was a miss last offseason, not going out and giving up enough to bring him aboard. What Carlton need isn't so much a marking medium like De Goey, but they need a genuine crumber/ground level type to complement their talls. Carlton should be asking Essendon for AMT and Saad. McDonald-Tipungwuti is that ideal list fit for Carlton, just as he is for Collingwood, with both clubs deficient up front and lacking that crumber who can apply forward pressure to a high level.

 

[Knightmare]

Thoughts on his development this year at GCS Knighter?

Suns big improvers this year. Development for the first time impressed me from the Suns. Big leap forward and across a lot of players. So they're now moving in the right direction, maybe for the first time since their inception.

Lukosius has become the best kick in the competition and was either first or second in the competition for metres gained across the H+A season. Rankine looked great. Rowell before injury looked great. Anderson improved and looked good. Collins took another step and frankly deserved AA selection. Greenwood fit in seamlessly and while excellent for Adelaide was even better for GC. Bowes MUCH improved and was a piece in defence. King improved further this year. Powell improved further. So the improvement this year from the Suns was very easily distinguishable. They were great to watch this year and I hardly missed a game as their youth at AFL level I found among the most fascinating to keep track of this year.

 

[Quicky]

Much prefer this re gunston, but again don’t know how he fits into cap.
People willing to trade a first and second for Gunston - even just a first, are nuts imo. Guy has 2 - 3 years left in him, after playing A LOT of football over past 8 years. Physically and emotionally draining imo.

In the scenario I posted we shed Phillips salary, and if that isn't enough we trade Cox.

Definite no to trading a 1st rounder for Gunston. I feel Phillips + a pick upgrade Hawks way is fair. If not we're paying too much imo.

 

[Roverjg]

Shaw to take a break from the game, coaching future in doubt

Paul Roos has spoken to North about taking a role with the club but sources say the Kangaroos have not offered him the senior coaching role on a contingency basis.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Crazy Tails]

Shaw to take a break from the game, coaching future in doubt

Paul Roos has spoken to North about taking a role with the club but sources say the Kangaroos have not offered him the senior coaching role on a contingency basis.

www.theage.com.au

Wishing Rhyce all the best. Hope he gets the support & help he needs to get through this.


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[Quicky]

Absolutely! Unless someone here has a direct connection to Cameron, they don’t know what he’s thinking or how he feels. Is the likelihood that he’ll end up in Geelong? Looks that way, and that’s fine, but don’t blow smoke up our collective arses by making statements about what he wants or what he loves etc, because it’s all bullshit. We know nothing about what he wants.

I still reckon Cameron may end up at Sydney.

 

[JLC]

Correct. That gives us

Lacking comprehension?
I said it was a post in here yesterday.

Is there any objective evidence to provide assurance that such a quota system exists?

 

[Quicky]

I'd like Phillips as well, but pick 5 becomes 6. And heaven forbid crouch gets a band one it could be 7. I really like the look of Phillips and Granger Barras but picking 6th we likely don't get access to either. Maybe once there we could find a way to move up further.

Yeah that'd throw a spanner in the works.

 

[Drought Break]

You’re not really serious are you?

That’s why I asked what it would take. What are you implying?

 

[Quicky]

Jarrod Cameron is young, still trade 2021 first for a first this year theres another then plus Reef. Couple of other fringe players traded off for another couple of decent picks

I think you're undervaluing our 2021 1st rounder. While it's in our interests to lose it to beat a bid on Nick Daicos, I reckon we can turn it into something better than Jarrod Cameron.

 

[cityslick1]

...? I don’t get this, all best 22 players play a lot of football over a long period. Are you saying a few extra games per year for finals somehow diminishes his longevity? The guy is as durable as they come, he could easily play another 4-5 years at the top level imo.

Yes, finals, and his position. Isn’t quick or tall. Has nous and skills, but 2 years of decent football left for me, then a year of decline. Otherwise you seriously think clarko would let him go?

 

[cityslick1]

If Treloar is leaving and sufficient salary cap space is retained to sign other key players while having the flexibility to freely add players this offseason and next, absolutely keeping De Goey is a good outcome.

I agree the delivery forward has been atrocious. I'm not seeing De Goey as a 60 goal a year forward though. I see his upside as being his 2018 play. Maybe eventually he's forced to play more midfield and his numbers can rise that way. That may be the best way to use him if he develops his endurance and let him rest forward when he's hot and feeling it.

Statistically as previously analysed, to date, De Goey is statistically significantly more similar to Josh Caddy than Dusty. Even in his best season, Caddy's best was on parr. Someone needs to get in his grill and let him know his best is no better than Josh Caddy's best. He needs that kind of rocket, because factually, it's correct. De Goey will have to improve radically to become Dusty great. If as a hypothetical De Goey was to become more a midfield as Dusty is, I don't see De Goey being as good even as Petracca who was a beast this year. The contested side to his game isn't nearly on that level to have that kind of upside.

On probability, De Goey is more likely to be a Jake Stringer kind of disappointment who never fulfils his potential than his chances of becoming Dusty level great. I fully expect he remains something more like who he is now, but I'm not seeing the ceiling many are speculating.

On Carlton, I like their plans to add Saad and Williams this offseason. They're both big time footballers and will improve them greatly. Jack Martin isn't a bad get for them at all by any means. Papley was a miss last offseason, not going out and giving up enough to bring him aboard. What Carlton need isn't so much a marking medium like De Goey, but they need a genuine crumber/ground level type to complement their talls. Carlton should be asking Essendon for AMT and Saad. McDonald-Tipungwuti is that ideal list fit for Carlton, just as he is for Collingwood, with both clubs deficient up front and lacking that crumber who can apply forward pressure to a high level.

Don’t just look at PY stats though KM! We’re buying his future, not his past. And that is waaay better than Caddy’s...

 

[swoop42]

If Will Phillips is as good a prospect as some believe and seen as the best midfielder in this draft then surely it's far more unlikely than likely that he's still available at pick 6.