Recruiting Trade & Free Agency IV - hypotheticals etc. (Continued in Part V)

[Teflon Dons]

Except remove Bont and it's not a premiership midfield. That's the point, you need quality, it's like pointing at premiership player Craig Bird and saying there is our missing piece. It's just not true.

I added in Hannebery before you replied... stop it before I get on footywire and go ham

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I added in Hannebery before you replied... stop it before I get on footywire and go ham

Hannebery isn't even an inside midfielder. He's the least contested out of Kennedy, Parker, McVeigh and Jack. He's a link up runner. Could have least said Beams, he was right next to him.

 

[Teflon Dons]

Hannebery isn't even an inside midfielder. He's the least contested out of Kennedy, Parker, McVeigh and Jack. He's a link up runner. Could have least said Beams, he was right next to him.

Like I said I haven't looked it up.. but thank you for reminding me of the best contested player in the game Josh Kennedy going in the 3rd round. And beams. Are you on my side now?

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Like I said I haven't looked it up.. but thank you for reminding me of the best contested player in the game Josh Kennedy going in the 3rd round. And beams. Are you on my side now?

No these are outliers, could have said Tom Hislop, Grigg, Djerrkura, Collard, Schmidt, Hawksley. Who were all inside midfielders taken between Joel Selwood and Josh Kennedy in 06' draft. It isn't a gimme selection. Cherry picking the stars is easy to do, the reality is you are more likely to get a failure. Which is why I said top 5 or you have to be lucky.

 

[citizen-erased]

Lever and Hopper or one of Dusty/Kelly

1st all day for me, We have the money and trade currency to get it done as well IMO, Will of the player(s) the biggest obstacle.

Are we a destination club yet?? Or do we need to win finals??

Yeah.. so everyone has said for months and since he has been heavily linked to us?

I know the midfield needs work, but we've seen a bunch of guys working towards midfield minutes all year, we can add quality to that mix cheaply while everyone's falling over themselves trying to re sign their stars.

At no point have I said ignore the midfield, focus on Lever. I just don't let the midfield deficiencies blind me to holes in other areas. Our mids have looked good for 10-12 weeks now, couple just on their last legs..

Im warming to the idea of Lever. I would suggest that Kelly would finish up if we got him.

Back 6
Ambrose Hartley Lever
McKenna Hurley McGrath

It does mean we have the likes of Gleeson, Francis and Ridley as natural defenders banging down the door for a spot. But depth is good.
We don't have an issue long term with cover. Possibly may see some want out to pursue starting opportunities.

Its a very young and largely inexperienced backline though.

 

[Teflon Dons]

No these are outliers, could have said Tom Hislop, Grigg, Djerrkura, Collard, Schmidt, Hawksley. Who were all inside midfielders taken between Joel Selwood and Josh Kennedy in 06' draft. It isn't a gimme selection. Cherry picking the stars is easy to do, the reality is you are more likely to get a failure. Which is why I said top 5 or you have to be lucky.

Joel Selwood!! Haha. I think we've reached the point that we've mentioned so many they're no longer "outliers"

It's an obvious need and I'm sure they have a shortlist full of inside options for trade and at the draft. Hawks won 3 contested ball counts and as many flags in that time. Keep that in mind too when looking at how we move.

Not the be-all-end-all stat that's it's talked up to be... Collingwood won the contested possession and clearances in the 2nd half of the Adelaide game, coughing up a 50 point lead in the process.

 

[eDPS]

Joel Selwood!! Haha. I think we've reached the point that we've mentioned so many they're no longer "outliers"

It's an obvious need and I'm sure they have a shortlist full of inside options for trade and at the draft. Hawks won 3 contested ball counts and as many flags in that time. Keep that in mind too when looking at how we move.

Not the be-all-end-all stat that's it's talked up to be... Collingwood won the contested possession and clearances in the 2nd half of the Adelaide game, coughing up a 50 point lead in the process.[/QUOTE]
The 2 main issues is their delivery and that their forward line sucks. Any other team that wins those stats would win 99% of the time

 

[eth-dog]

Hannebery isn't even an inside midfielder. He's the least contested out of Kennedy, Parker, McVeigh and Jack. He's a link up runner. Could have least said Beams, he was right next to him.

He still averages 10 CP a game. Hardly an outside midfielder

 

[Red Black and Blue]

He still averages 10 CP a game. Hardly an outside midfielder

Not hard when your home ground is the size of a pin head. Averages 10% higher percentage of contested possessions than Merrett but averages 1.2 less clearances. Just means he wins loose balls in dispute which are counted as contested balls.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Joel Selwood!! Haha. I think we've reached the point that we've mentioned so many they're no longer "outliers"

It's an obvious need and I'm sure they have a shortlist full of inside options for trade and at the draft. Hawks won 3 contested ball counts and as many flags in that time. Keep that in mind too when looking at how we move.

Not the be-all-end-all stat that's it's talked up to be... Collingwood won the contested possession and clearances in the 2nd half of the Adelaide game, coughing up a 50 point lead in the process.

So 20 players of about the last 1000 drafted are high quality inside mids and you think they are easy to find...

Collingwood are crap because they have no outside ball movement or forward line neither are a problem for us. We are strong every line except for inside mids.

 

[Teflon Dons]

So 20 players of about the last 1000 drafted are high quality inside mids and you think they are easy to find...

Collingwood are crap because they have no outside ball movement or forward line neither are a problem for us. We are strong every line except for inside mids.

Maaaate, the point was more they gave up a 50 point buffer winning those stats... I know they aren't very good. But that is almost harder to do than not. Explain hawforn? We are the least tackled team in the comp. It's just not that important for the way we play.

Our ideal game is 0 contests. That's unrealistic. So I'm happy to go after a Kennedy, Webb and Balic because they're versatile and add to our inside game without taking away from our movement like Jobe is. They will come cheaper than a top 5 pick wow

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Maaaate, the point was more they gave up a 50 point buffer winning those stats... I know they aren't very good. But that is almost harder to do than not. Explain hawforn? We are the least tackled team in the comp. It's just not that important for the way we play.

Our ideal game is 0 contests. That's unrealistic. So I'm happy to go after a Kennedy, Webb and Balic because they're versatile and add to our inside game without taking away from our movement like Jobe is. They will come cheaper than a top 5 pick wow

The way you become a better team is to minimise and mitigate the weaknesses in your side. Not rely purely on one type of football, that's why we got beaten on the weekend. We came up against a team that is just as good on the outside but way more capable on the inside.

Webb and Balic aren't anymore likely than Langford or Laverde to become high quality inside players.

Of course you can find players outside of that range, I'm simply saying there is no guarantee and with our current build we only need to fill that gap and we are contending.

 

[eth-dog]

Not hard when your home ground is the size of a pin head. Averages 10% higher percentage of contested possessions than Merrett but averages 1.2 less clearances. Just means he wins loose balls in dispute which are counted as contested balls.

Dan Hannebery is definitely an inside midfielder. Yes ha has the ability to win it on the outside, better than that of Kennedy and Parker, but let's not pretend he's Brent Stanton.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Dan Hannebery is definitely an inside midfielder. Yes ha has the ability to win it on the outside, better than that of Kennedy and Parker, but let's not pretend he's Brent Stanton.

He's basically Jack Macrae. Wins numbers by being around the ball enough, but put him up against elite ball winners he loses most of them. Balanced but no more than your average mid these days and his outside game is his weapon.

 

[Teflon Dons]

The way you become a better team is to minimise and mitigate the weaknesses in your side. Not rely purely on one type of football, that's why we got beaten on the weekend. We came up against a team that is just as good on the outside but way more capable on the inside.

Webb and Balic aren't anymore likely than Langford or Laverde to become high quality inside players.

Of course you can find players outside of that range, I'm simply saying there is no guarantee and with our current build we only need to fill that gap and we are contending.

I know? I think Lever does that.

Pff, Webb is streaks ahead of both, the kid that ripped us a new one on Sunday? While Laverde had 0 impact and Langford was plugging away in the magoos. Balic has played as a 1st and 2nd year player under Ross ****in Lyon with mental health issues. They're pretty likely.

Adding one gun inside mid alone gets us in contention? Please

 

[eDPS]

I know? I think Lever does that.

Pff, Webb is streaks ahead of both, the kid that ripped us a new one on Sunday? While Laverde had 0 impact and Langford was plugging away in the magoos. Balic has played as a 1st and 2nd year player under Ross ****in Lyon with mental health issues. They're pretty likely.

Adding one gun inside mid alone gets us in contention? Please

Webb had 14 touches against us that's hardly a touch up

 

[Teflon Dons]

Webb had 14 touches against us that's hardly a touch up

2.1 and 14 touches off a HFF in his first senior game in 10 weeks, hardly a shocker either

 

[eDPS]

2.1 and 14 touches in his first senior game in 10 weeks, hardly a shocker either

No not saying that either. Your too quick to lay the boots into Langford and Laverde. Laverde is coming off a long term injury and if we played Langford in that half forward role we know he can snag a few goals on occasion. Id take both over Webb still.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

2.1 and 14 touches in his first senior game in 10 weeks, hardly a shocker either

2.1 is pretty irrelevant to the argument as an inside midfielder. Especially since he was playing deep forward for both of them.

 

[Teflon Dons]

No not saying that either. Your too quick to lay the boots into Langford and Laverde. Laverde is coming off a long term injury and if we played Langford in that half forward role we know he can snag a few goals on occasion. Id take both over Webb still.

Well you were kinda leaning that way with the omission of the 2 snags. I'm not laying the boots in, they've both come in the side and shown they're miles off? Laverde especially. Webb has shown he's comfortable at the level. Cannot agree with that one dps, I don't trust their potential, have to see something first.

 

[eDPS]

Well you were kinda leaning that way with the omission of the 2 snags. I'm not laying the boots in, they've both come in the side and shown they're miles off? Laverde especially. Webb has shown he's comfortable at the level. Cannot agree with that one dps, I don't trust their potential, have to see something first.

Langford looked comfortable against the blues in the last round last year, Laverde is off the pace because of a long term injury. To say they are both miles off is wrong imo

 

[Teflon Dons]

Langford looked comfortable against the blues in the last round last year, Laverde is off the pace because of a long term injury. To say they are both miles off is wrong imo

Looking comfortable playing a VFL quality side full of kids in round 23 with 0 pressure does not get me excited tbf. Especially if he hasn't backed it up when given the chance this year.

Kinda sounds like I hate both of them. I honestly don't, I wish they were less shit right now just like everybody else. But they aren't so it's fair enough to point it out.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Er well he wasn't, for either of them. He was on a flank all game. He's a very handy inside mid in the 2s and he will be cheap based on where he was taken and how many games he's played.

He kicked his first from half a metre out of the goal square and his second was running through 50 as the man out the back aka deepest forward.

 

[Teflon Dons]

He kicked his first from half a metre out of the goal square and his second was running through 50 as the man out the back aka deepest forward.

Check the heat maps mate, where he kicked it from does not tell me anything

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Barely grazed the goal square let alone played "deep forward"

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Check the heat maps mate, where he kicked it from does not tell me anything

Where he kicked the goals from doesn't determine where he was when he kicked his goals.... ok mate.