Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

Any issues with it post in this thread:

Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

Father/Son & NGA discussion goes here: James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

?

 

[citizen-erased]

That tells me he had it the hardest of those players.

So we wait to have a forward line until we have a decent midfield. Then when we get a decent midfield do we try to draft forwards?

Forwards take until their mid-20's to develop. If we draft one and wait for them to develop like we did with Stewart, we're 6-8 years away.

Midfielders are so much easier to draft/develop than key position forwards it's ridiculous.

Plus, if we don't already have midfielders, who the hell are all these people on our list? We don't have any forwards and only a few backs.

I don't understand how "Don't trade for a good key forward because our midfield isn't top 4" is any form of strategy.

You can't fill every hole in the team with draft picks who might come good in 3 years. Which team went rocketing up the ladder this year? Port Adelaide off the back of bringing in Charlie Dixon with a trade. Brisbane brought in Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale despite also drafting lots of good young small players.

I never thought it would be hard to convince supporters that the guy who kicked the most goals in the last 4 years would be good for the team.

Dodoro can't win. No wonder he drafts skinny flankers, you all complain about key position players like we don't need them unless our midfield is already the best in the competition.

question on Brown is what does he cost? And if he's worth more than Wright, then Wright is probably a better option.

Any top 30 pick we have this year and our 1st and 2nd next year need to be off limits unless we're adding proven, top quality mids who can play the engine room roles.

 

[ant555]

question on Brown is what does he cost? And if he's worth more than Wright, then Wright is probably a better option.

Any top 30 pick we have this year and our 1st and 2nd next year need to be off limits unless we're adding proven, top quality mids who can play the engine room roles.

Agree with what you say about the picks which would put Brown out of our price range IMO.

 

[Yoda_]

That tells me he had it the hardest of those players.

So we wait to have a forward line until we have a decent midfield. Then when we get a decent midfield do we try to draft forwards?

Forwards take until their mid-20's to develop. If we draft one and wait for them to develop like we did with Stewart, we're 6-8 years away.

Midfielders are so much easier to draft/develop than key position forwards it's ridiculous.

Plus, if we don't already have midfielders, who the hell are all these people on our list? We don't have any forwards and only a few backs.

I don't understand how "Don't trade for a good key forward because our midfield isn't top 4" is any form of strategy.

You can't fill every hole in the team with draft picks who might come good in 3 years. Which team went rocketing up the ladder this year? Port Adelaide off the back of bringing in Charlie Dixon with a trade. Brisbane brought in Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale despite also drafting lots of good young small players.

I never thought it would be hard to convince supporters that the guy who kicked the most goals in the last 4 years would be good for the team.

Dodoro can't win. No wonder he drafts skinny flankers, you all complain about key position players like we don't need them unless our midfield is already the best in the competition.

What's more important? A player who might shade our youngsters for a couple of years or a player who should feasibly be around for 8 years?


I know which I'd prefer

 

[ghostdog]

If Brisbane successfully court Joe, how would people feel about Hipwood in return?

 

[Kakkle]

All the last 5 pages is missing is 20 posts from WEEVES and a few posts suggesting to get Anthony Miles.

If Brisbane successfully court Joe, how would people feel about Hipwood in return?

Brisbane would 100% do this. Absolutely.

 

[citizen-erased]

If Brisbane successfully court Joe, how would people feel about Hipwood in return?

i think we'd have more luck getting Clug out of them.

Smith & late 1st wouldn't be so bad.

 

[faible]

That tells me he had it the hardest of those players.

So we wait to have a forward line until we have a decent midfield. Then when we get a decent midfield do we try to draft forwards?

Forwards take until their mid-20's to develop. If we draft one and wait for them to develop like we did with Stewart, we're 6-8 years away.

Midfielders are so much easier to draft/develop than key position forwards it's ridiculous.

Plus, if we don't already have midfielders, who the hell are all these people on our list? We don't have any forwards and only a few backs.

I don't understand how "Don't trade for a good key forward because our midfield isn't top 4" is any form of strategy.

You can't fill every hole in the team with draft picks who might come good in 3 years. Which team went rocketing up the ladder this year? Port Adelaide off the back of bringing in Charlie Dixon with a trade. Brisbane brought in Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale despite also drafting lots of good young small players.

I never thought it would be hard to convince supporters that the guy who kicked the most goals in the last 4 years would be good for the team.

Dodoro can't win. No wonder he drafts skinny flankers, you all complain about key position players like we don't need them unless our midfield is already the best in the competition.

We regularly see players from bottom sides kicking high numbers of goals, because they're the only avenue their team has for scoring. Better teams have more avenues, there's a reason Clarkson made Hawthorn less reliant on Franklin after he won the Coleman, and it wasn't because Franklin was washed up.

But sure, lets top up - yet again - with another stop gap player, not achieve anything - yet again - and be wondering why we haven't won a final for another year - yet again.

Port Adelaide traded for Dixon five years ago, when he was 25. Brown will be 28 to begin the 2021 season, and a totally different player to Dixon.

You know what's sent them rocketing up the ladder? A strong midfield, and a couple of strong drafts.

We've got holes all over the field, trading a few decent picks and spending some cash on Brown doesn't fix them.

and a few posts suggesting to get Anthony Miles.

He's retired, would come cheap.

 

[andleanback]

i think we'd have more luck getting Clug out of them.

Smith & late 1st wouldn't be so bad.

Archie smith?

 

[ghostdog]

All the last 5 pages is missing is 20 posts from WEEVES and a few posts suggesting to get Anthony Miles.





Brisbane would 100% do this. Absolutely.

Would you? The reason I ask is because I know Hipwood has had a down year this year, a stutter in his trajectory, but he was tracking to be a really good forward over 2018 and 2019. Still young. Plenty of upside.

 

[Mikevk123]

We are not getting any Brisbane players in return. They won’t trade for Daniher they will pick him up as a free agent if he decides to leave.

 

[Kakkle]

Would you? The reason I ask is because I know Hipwood has had a down year this year, a stutter in his trajectory, but he was tracking to be a really good forward over 2018 and 2019. Still young. Plenty of upside.

Why would Brisbane make that trade? Is Michael Voss their list manager? We'd be charged with theft and the AFL wouldn't let it go ahead, it's that bad.

 

[citizen-erased]

Archie smith?

we're ok for rucks and Martin is starting to get a little injury prone

Draper, Phillips, Bryan, Crauford is enough depth for me.

Engine room should be our focus. and HBF ironically enough.

EDIT: thought you were asking about Archie
Imagine Ely would fit a needs profile

 

[cAsEy_18]

Brisbane aren't letting us anywhere near Hipwood haha.

 

[Saint]

By the logic going on here, we don't need Stewart either. He's 27 next year, might as well swap him for a second round pick.

 

[ghostdog]

Why would Brisbane make that trade? Is Michael Voss their list manager? We'd be charged with theft and the AFL wouldn't let it go ahead, it's that bad.

Ah. So you were being sarcastic and abrasive. I should have known. It's your signature style. Put me on ignore.

 

[mike14]

By the logic going on here, we don't need Stewart either. He's 27 next year, might as well swap him for a second round pick.

Not really. We've already spent the capital on Stewart and we need players.
The logic is in whether we go and get more players in the same age bracket, or look to get younger while still fielding a team with players already in our system

 

[citizen-erased]

By the logic going on here, we don't need Stewart either. He's 27 next year, might as well swap him for a second round pick.

that's not quite the logic.

 

[Kakkle]

Ah. So you were being sarcastic and abrasive. I should have known. It's your signature style. Put me on ignore.

Haha, I'm just genuinely curious as to why you think Brisbane would make that trade? A 23 year old they have contracted for 3 more years for an un-contracted player who would be 27 before round 1 who has barely got on the park in the last 3 years.

 

[Dons4days]

Archie smith?

I’d guess Ely Smith?

 

[andleanback]

we're ok for rucks and Martin is starting to get a little injury prone

Draper, Phillips, Bryan, Crauford is enough depth for me.

Engine room should be our focus. and HBF ironically enough.

EDIT: thought you were asking about Archie
Imagine Ely would fit a needs profile

Yeap would love Ely although no one is really sure how much he has developed in the system yet without playing a game.

 

[EnolaGay]

I've developed a software package that has analyzed our list and prioritizes needs:

10 Print "Fix the midfield"
20 GOTO 10

 

[Howard Moon]

I've developed a software package that has analyzed our list and prioritizes needs:

10 Print "Fix the midfield"
20 GOTO 10

Is that Dan's super computer?

 

[EnolaGay]

Is that Dan's super computer?

I think Dean Wallis passed his computer on to Dan when he left EFC.

 

[TheGrizz]

Archie smith?

Ely Smith

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Ah. So you were being sarcastic and abrasive. I should have known. It's your signature style. Put me on ignore.

Dude cmon hipwood. Anyone could see Kakkles sarcasm... shoes in other camp, would you want to give up hippers if you were a lions fan?
We’d be lucky to get late first rounder pick from them. Hope he doesn’t nominate them.