Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

Any issues with it post in this thread:

Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

Father/Son & NGA discussion goes here: James Hird Academy (Father/Son and Next Generation)

Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

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Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

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[citizen-erased]

Im liking this Ben Patton connection. Fits the age demographic & we really need some good small defenders. Curious to what the price would be though.

Add Paton and keep Saad
Redman recovers from his niggles and finds his 2019 form.
Focus on KP depth (got a lot of eggs in the Zerk/Brand basket)

 

[faible]

Maybe our system needs a player who leads?

We do, but it's not Ben Brown.

 

[Milanista28]

We do, but it's not Ben Brown.

I agree but only due to his age.

Ideal world for me is get band 1 compo for Joe and then try trade 7 for Georgiades.

 

[ghostdog]

I think the point was that with all of that answered, how is who he supported relevant at all?

We should be bringing in the best people for the job, irrespective of who they played for or supported.

Exactly. I don't care what club they're from. What do they bring? If we held to the only ExDons principle would never have landed Sheedy.

 

[faible]

I agree but only due to his age.

Ideal world for me is get band 1 compo for Joe and then try trade 7 for Georgiades.

If Brown was 23 - 25 with 5 or so years ahead of him then yes, he'd make more sense.

At this point, we need to accept that we're unlikely to be a genuine team in contention for a few years, so need to make moves with that in mind.

My hope would be that Harry Jones plays a little like Nick Reiwoldt, an athletic CHF that can offer a reliable leading and marking target.

 

[Milanista28]

eDPS How much of Brander did you see as a junior? Is it odd that he's developing as a winger now?

Also to anyone, what would he cost and should we be looking?

 

[eDPS]

eDPS How much of Brander did you see as a junior? Is it odd that he's developing as a winger now?

Also to anyone, what would he cost and should we be looking?

I’m not sure, he has always been a Jack of all trades but master of none and to me has looked best as that intercept marker down back which we have a lot of.

 

[citizen-erased]

I agree but only due to his age.

Ideal world for me is get band 1 compo for Joe and then try trade 7 for Georgiades.

fun fact
Port drafted Georgiades with Pick 18. A pick that well and truly would have been in the picture for Raz

 

[Saint]

If Brown was 23 - 25 with 5 or so years ahead of him then yes, he'd make more sense.

At this point, we need to accept that we're unlikely to be a genuine team in contention for a few years, so need to make moves with that in mind.

My hope would be that Harry Jones plays a little like Nick Reiwoldt, an athletic CHF that can offer a reliable leading and marking target.

The Coleman medalist is 32 and Josh Kennedy is 33. Who's to say Brown won't be still kicking goals in 4-5 years' time? Riewoldt is 31 and Tom Lynch is the same age as Ben Brown (27). Jeremy Cameron is only 6 months younger.

If we lose Daniher, we lose another season without a forward-ine, hobbled because there's no key target/focal point.

 

[brain taylor]

fun fact
Port drafted Georgiades with Pick 18. A pick that well and truly would have been in the picture for Raz

damn imagine the undersized back flanker Dodoro could have snagged with that pick

 

[citizen-erased]

damn imagine the undersized back flanker Dodoro could have snagged with that pick

im assuming it still would have been Jones given he rated him top 10 or something

 

[brain taylor]

im assuming it still would have been Jones given he rated him top 10 or something

oi I'm tryna be funny over here

 

[dalekennedy]

I’m hearing Carlton have enquired about Oliver. I hope we are too


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[faible]

The Coleman medalist is 32 and Josh Kennedy is 33. Who's to say Brown won't be still kicking goals in 4-5 years' time? Riewoldt is 31 and Tom Lynch is the same age as Ben Brown (27). Jeremy Cameron is only 6 months younger.

If we lose Daniher, we lose another season without a forward-ine, hobbled because there's no key target/focal point.

Brown is no Cameron, Lynch, Kennedy or Reiwoldt. Or Daniher for that matter.

You're expecting him to be something he's not, in a team that's something it's not, competing at a level it likely will not.

 

[Saint]

Brown is no Cameron, Lynch, Kennedy or Reiwoldt. Or Daniher for that matter.

You're expecting him to be something he's not, in a team that's something it's not, competing at a level it likely will not.

He's kicked more goals in the last 4 years than everyone on that list and they'd have all been on a lot more money than Brown and they've all (except JD) had a lot better service.

If everyone is sitting around waiting for the next million dollar 25 year old key position forward to appear at the time when we finally have a midfield together, we're going to be waiting a long time. (one's walking out the door, btw).

 

[brain taylor]

He's kicked more goals in the last 4 years than everyone on that list and they'd have all been on a lot more money than Brown and they've all (except JD) had a lot better service.

If everyone is sitting around waiting for the next million dollar 25 year old key position forward to appear at the time when we finally have a midfield together, we're going to be waiting a long time. (one's walking out the door, btw).

just an alright key forward is enough in a well-drilled side with a good midfield

 

[faible]

He's kicked more goals in the last 4 years than everyone on that list and they'd have all been on a lot more money than Brown and they've all (except JD) had a lot better service.

If everyone is sitting around waiting for the next million dollar 25 year old key position forward to appear at the time when we finally have a midfield together, we're going to be waiting a long time. (one's walking out the door, btw).

We don't have a midfield together, is kind of the point.

We've got holes all over the field, trying to top up yet again with a stop-gap, isn't going to be the solution.

Let alone giving away salary and draft picks for a guy who isn't going to be a star with a bog average (at best) midfield kicking it to him.

All 4 players on that list have also played a Grand Final in the last 3 years.

Brown hasn't, despite kicking more goals.

 

[11kgm]

oi I'm tryna be funny over here

Will day skinny half backer

 

[andleanback]

Mentor him to not run defensively or compete? I don’t want leaders that have poor team attributes. Stewart is enough leadership for now.

Mentor this Jones kid and straighten up the team going forward.

Yes please.

Mentor him how to not crash packs or bring the ball to ground? Or give zero defensive efforts?

 

[SherbertLemon]

I think just sell who wants to leave and then rebuild.
Hopefully we can absolutely nail a draft.

Who knows, maybe in 10 years we’ll be discussing this year as the catalyst to the 6peet and how we’re panels better than everyone

 

[brendan84]

Definitely don’t want Ben Brown. Much rather Peter Wright on the cheap

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

Exactly. I don't care what club they're from. What do they bring? If we held to the only ExDons principle would never have landed Sheedy.

who barracked for whom as a kid?

The convo moves away from my point anyway as I think Gunston as a on-field forwards coach has something to offer, apparently the Pies think so as well?

It wouldnt matter if he barracked for Essendon or not, I also think he would be a better option than Brown.

But it may not happen.

 

[ghostdog]

I disagree, our problem has been trying to be the next Geelong, the next Richmond instead of being what has made Essendon sucessful.

Who apart from Hird/Thompson era has let the Ex Dons brigade down the wrong path anyway? Was Knights/Worsfold/Rutten Ex Essendon.

Gunston is an excellent footballer with a High IQ for playing forward, being an Ex Essendon supporter shouldnt count against him? Does he fit a need? Is there a role for him to play? Does he want to go down that path? Is there anyone better? These are the questions that need to be addressed/asked.

I'm not saying being an Essendon supporter should count against anyone. I'm saying it should not be part of the selection criteria. It's rubbish based on emotion rather than being based on merit, data, skill, professionalism etc.

 

[JayJ20]

Take what we can for Daniher and Fantasia. To contend, we need to take a few steps back and weed out injury prone players that aren't committed.
Do everything we can to keep Saad. He is consistent, displays on-field leadership, very durable and drives on-field standards.

Really not bothered if Hurley or Hooker leave. Both injury prone, won't be at their best and dare I say it, don't really have the required leadership qualities to drive consistency. Basically, they're not like Travis Boak or Tom Hawkins who step up when needed.

Langford, Parish, McGrath, Ridley, Saad, Merrett (lately) and Draper give everything they have every week. They are a good core to have going forward. I see them as being capable of instilling a winning culture. I wish McGrath was more experienced so that he can take on the captaincy, but I guess Heppell would need to continue.

Lucky for us, we don't have to go for a full-scale rebuild given the good young players already at the club so adding younger players like Constable or RCD helps us gather a good core. Not interested in a Brown, Tom McDonald (please no), Crouch or even Talia.
What's even more important is developing those players. No playing Townsend (if he somehow survives the cut) over Jones or Crauford.

If we're going to recruit players, it needs to be around the ages of the core players I have listed above to create a balanced list. We're not really an attractive destination club at the moment so I doubt we can attract players like Oliver, Hopper, Taranto and others. They'd be perfect of course, but it's unlikely we get that opportunity. Hit the draft with what should be two first-rounders (if Daniher leaves).

Also, we need Rutten to drive the recruiting and drafting. He knows the gameplan. He knows how he wants it to look. Let him give suggestions on which type of player he is looking for. Dodoro needs to pick based on Rutten's plan and not random skinny flankers that'll become future "inside mids".

 

[Saint]

We don't have a midfield together, is kind of the point.

We've got holes all over the field, trying to top up yet again with a stop-gap, isn't going to be the solution.

Let alone giving away salary and draft picks for a guy who isn't going to be a star with a bog average (at best) midfield kicking it to him.

All 4 players on that list have also played a Grand Final in the last 3 years.

Brown hasn't, despite kicking more goals.

That tells me he had it the hardest of those players.

So we wait to have a forward line until we have a decent midfield. Then when we get a decent midfield do we try to draft forwards?

Forwards take until their mid-20's to develop. If we draft one and wait for them to develop like we did with Stewart, we're 6-8 years away.

Midfielders are so much easier to draft/develop than key position forwards it's ridiculous.

Plus, if we don't already have midfielders, who the hell are all these people on our list? We don't have any forwards and only a few backs.

I don't understand how "Don't trade for a good key forward because our midfield isn't top 4" is any form of strategy.

You can't fill every hole in the team with draft picks who might come good in 3 years. Which team went rocketing up the ladder this year? Port Adelaide off the back of bringing in Charlie Dixon with a trade. Brisbane brought in Charlie Cameron and Lachie Neale despite also drafting lots of good young small players.

I never thought it would be hard to convince supporters that the guy who kicked the most goals in the last 4 years would be good for the team.

Dodoro can't win. No wonder he drafts skinny flankers, you all complain about key position players like we don't need them unless our midfield is already the best in the competition.