Recruiting Trade & Free Agency VIII

[Lore]

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Spoiler: AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY KEY DATES 2020

Draft Combine
Tuesday October 1 - Friday October 4

AFL Grand Final
Saturday October 24

Free Agency Window
Friday October 30 – Friday November 6

AFL Trade Period (Players and picks)
Wednesday November 4 – 7.30pm Thursday November 12

List Lodgement 1
Wednesday November 25

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Thursday November 26 - Sunday November 29

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Monday November 30

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Monday November 30 - Tuesday December 1

AFL Trade Period (Picks only)
Concludes Thursday December 3

National Draft
7pm Wednesday December 9

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
12pm Thursday December 10

Final List Lodgement
Mid-December (tbc)

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
Wednesday January 6, 2021 – will conclude prior to the start of the 2021 Toyota AFL Premiership Season

Spoiler: DRAFT ORDER

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Draft discussion goes here: Draft Watch

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Poll results: Who should stay? | Which key forward do you want? | What would you give up to get Josh Dunkley

5

Josh Dunkley

Age

27

Ht

191cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.8

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.3

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

20.7

5star

K

7.0

3star

HB

13.7

5star

M

2.3

2star

T

5.3

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

14.2

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

4.0

5star

CL

1.4

4star

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[Old Stuckup]

Essendon are clearly looking for players with an elite kick/ disposal capable of breaking lines off the halfback and going inside 50

Hence the Tom Cutler experiment on the wing and the Orazio Fantasia / Devon Smith experiment off the back line.

Jayden Short meets all that criteria. Maybe package Langford and lure him to Essendon

Ignoring the fact that Richmond wouldn’t give up Short, why would we trade Langford given he is one of the few very good kicks in the side.

 

[Seb78]

Essendon are clearly looking for players with an elite kick/ disposal capable of breaking lines off the halfback and going inside 50

Hence the Tom Cutler experiment on the wing and the Orazio Fantasia / Devon Smith experiment off the back line.

Jayden Short meets all that criteria. Maybe package Langford and lure him to Essendon

Jayden Short ain't going anywhere.

We've put way too much work into Langford to ship him off for a back flanker anyway. Just as Langers is starting to show consistent signs of being a player, would be downright irresponsible to trade him now.

 

[Milanista28]

Valid.

Langford is a great mark and set shot for goal but his defence, field kicking and running capacity are terrible.

If you are going to classify him as an outside mid I would rather have an outside mid that can break lines with their kicking ability or run. Rather than one that can mark the ball and only handball it.

Langford is great at pushing forward to take marks and also great in the clearances with handballs. His champion data stats resemble that of an inside midfielder but he is always exposed defensively. He is allergic to tackling and isnt damaging enough with the ball to play that role with his lack of accountability.

If you had an option to bundle him for an inside midfielder like Tom Green or Ollie Wines would you?

Maybe even package him to get someone who can mentor/ set the standards for the younger players like Jack Gunston

Not being disrespectful but I can’t see any of his traits benefiting Essendon in the long run.

Langford field kicking terrible?? He's one of the best kicks on the list

 

[jordanl]

Jayden Short ain't going anywhere

That was just an example

angford field kicking terrible?? He's one of the best kicks on the list

And that’s the sad part

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Wouldn't want to let go of Langford. He's developed into a very nice player and still has more upside. Parish however is one I would certainly entertain a trade for.

Also, Brandon Matera was delisted by Fremantle. Kinda shocked tbh. Have heard he has a bit of a poor attitude/work ethic, but he can absolutely find the goals. Would love to pick him.

 

[11kgm]

Wouldn't want to let go of Langford. He's developed into a very nice player and still has more upside. Parish however is one I would certainly entertain a trade for.

Also, Brandon Matera was delisted by Fremantle. Kinda shocked tbh. Have heard he has a bit of a poor attitude/work ethic, but he can absolutely find the goals. Would love to pick him.

Would rather Dixon from them tbh

 

[Lore]

Dixon re-signed.

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Dixon re-signed.

Hugh Dixon? Was delisted.

 

[Lore]

Wouldn't want to let go of Langford. He's developed into a very nice player and still has more upside. Parish however is one I would certainly entertain a trade for.

Parish was one of the ones Rutten mentioned in his 'players that are driving the club forward' thing in that interview. He's also super close with McGrath, and he's contracted. So I don't think he's likely to be going anywhere.

I get the idea though, if you think about it coldly he's... well. Vanilla? lol. Everyone else in there has a more exciting aspect to their game, a key skill or their athletic profile or whatever.

 

[Lore]

Hugh Dixon? Was delisted.

Charlie I was thinking of. Kind of forgot Hugh Dixon wasn't a meme.

 

[11kgm]

Charlie I was thinking of. Kind of forgot Hugh Dixon wasn't a meme.

195cm 90 plus kilos could be a decent Back up forward

 

[crackers65]

Parish was one of the ones Rutten mentioned in his 'players that are driving the club forward' thing in that interview. He's also super close with McGrath, and he's contracted. So I don't think he's likely to be going anywhere.

I get the idea though, if you think about it coldly he's... well. Vanilla? lol. Everyone else in there has a more exciting aspect to their game, a key skill or their athletic profile or whatever.

Who was it against that parish kicked the sealer from the boundary line.
He still needs to go to the next level to justify pick no 5, but I would give him some more time yet. We really haven't been that good from a development point for a long time.

 

[MarkJohnson#1]

Langford isn’t fit to tie Parish’s shoe laces. Darcy every single day of the week...

 

[Seb78]

Who was it against that parish kicked the sealer from the boundary line.

Pretty sure it was against you blokes

 

[Schnitzengruben]

Parish was one of the ones Rutten mentioned in his 'players that are driving the club forward' thing in that interview. He's also super close with McGrath, and he's contracted. So I don't think he's likely to be going anywhere.

I get the idea though, if you think about it coldly he's... well. Vanilla? lol. Everyone else in there has a more exciting aspect to their game, a key skill or their athletic profile or whatever.

He is a tad vanilla, definitely. To put it bluntly, I don't see that much upside in his game and I don't think he's improved *that* dramatically since we drafted him (and he's played about 100 games by now). Have we stifled his development thus far by playing him as a mid/fwd hybrid? Of course we have, we're Essington.

But I have legitimate concerns that his ceiling may just be in-fact B grade. Definitely serviceable, but nowhere near that Jobe-esque midfielder we've been crying out for. In isolation he is fine. But his stature just adds to the abundance of 180cm players we already have. A midfield trio of McGrath, Parish and Shiel is such a bad combination. Too much of the same and not enough variance.

My main issue with him though is that he's just such a nice player. Great young kid, would love him marrying your daughter type of operator. I don't believe that should be a personality trait of the teams #1 inside midfielder. That position should be filled by a big bustling roughhouser. I could imagine myself lining up next to Cripps, Wines, Boak, Yeo, Adams etc and I'd be legitimately worried they might hurt me. Parish? I'd be too busy thinking what time this will be over and what I'm having for tea.

Not trying to be a dick or nitpick too much, but I feel that element is really lacking from his game. The same can be said for others like Langford but that type of aggression isn't nearly as important as an outside player as it in an inside one.

Honestly, I would be trading him out and using that pick + something else to go for an elite, hard-nut inside mid.

 

[mad_monkey_j]

With some of the shit people come out with they can't possibly watch footy. I used to hate going through this thread every year, but I've learnt to appreciate it for what it offers...

 

[Fridge16]

Trade Parish or Langford? Holy shit, you blokes have lost the plot. They’re finally coming on. They will be huge for us the next 5 years.

 

[JayJ20]

Langford is untouchable. A tall goal-kicking outside mid is literally a need for us. Good decision maker and great kick. Durable player and consistent as well.

If we were looking to fix our midfield balance, then it's Parish if anyone that may be traded. But that's only if he wants to go and a player like Taranto/Oliver/Hopper becomes available.

If he doesn't request a trade, then he stays.

 

[Don35]

Can anyone tell me what happened to our second round pick this year? What was the deal?

 

[Howard Moon]

Tom North from Freo, isn't he the one of their cuts we'd look at?

 

[jordanl]

Langford is untouchable. A tall goal-kicking outside mid is literally a need for us. Good decision maker and great kick. Durable player and consistent as well.

If we were looking to fix our midfield balance, then it's Parish if anyone that may be traded. But that's only if he wants to go and a player like Taranto/Oliver/Hopper becomes available.

If he doesn't request a trade, then he stays.

would you trade Taranto for langford? Fixes issues at both teams

 

[freddy mercury]

Honestly whoever wants to leave let them. Get the deal done. It isn't good to have players on the list who wanted to leave but weren't able to due to the club being absolute campaigners and playing hard ball.

Whoever wants to go, let them. Whoever stays are obviously willing to buy in. And that's more important than anything else

 

[ghostdog]

They would be getting Daniher to play alongside Hipwood, not to replace him. Considering Daniher's value isn't anywhere near what Hipwood could net them in a trade with 3 years on their contract, why would they trade Hipwood, when they could simply trade a draft pick for Daniher?

...because they may decide that the immediacy of their premiership window outweighs the future of their forwardline with a seemingly inconsistent/maxed-out Hipwood as a component.

Two things though; didn't realise he had three years on his contract and there's a lot of talk about Ely Smith as a mid option who I don't know about. I would also have been interested in Jarrod Berry.

 

[brain taylor]

Langford is untouchable. A tall goal-kicking outside mid is literally a need for us. Good decision maker and great kick. Durable player and consistent as well.

If we were looking to fix our midfield balance, then it's Parish if anyone that may be traded. But that's only if he wants to go and a player like Taranto/Oliver/Hopper becomes available.

If he doesn't request a trade, then he stays.

I wouldn't say he's untouchable but he certainly has more value in the side than on the trade table for now

 

[mike14]

Can anyone tell me what happened to our second round pick this year? What was the deal?

We traded it at last year's draft (along with another pick) to North for pick 30 and 50 in 2019. We took Jones at 30 and then traded pick 50 to Geelong for pick 62 as well as their 4th rounder this year and the Suns 3rd rounder this year