Mega Thread Trade Period: Lets get that delisted guy. He could be good, yeah?

[Whistling Hawk]

Heatherly also has an enormous leap. Won't have a problem playing KPD at AFL level.

Is lightning quick too with a 2.84 20m sprint at the combine which was second overall.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Story so far rumored interest:


Interests:
Cooney - free agency
Mumford - trade
Adams - trade
Longer - trade

Delistings/retimrement - personal opinion.

Osbourne - retired
Cheeney - delisted
?
?


Possibble free agents or retirements

Ellis- free agent/delisted
Franklin. - free agent
Guerra - retirement
Bailey - free agent


Random Notes:
Longer was pick 8 in the 11 draft with 2 years development - Youd think Brisbane would be after a first round pick or a very good player.
(not sure how we can accommodate him) Our most pressing issue is through the midfield. I don't think we have anything to satisfy the needs of Brisbane. and if we did, I don't think we would be willing to give that up.

Adams- pick 10 2011 draft - This guy should/has to be our main target we should be throwing the kitchen sink at him.
He's an extremely talented aggressive inside mid with pace. A competitive beast. Throw in Anderson and Hallahan and we have the nucleus of a tough uncompromising midfield for the future.
This made me smile.

I understand its reckless.....but what i like most about this is that he's not afraid to get dirty. I like his character, a second year player showng Cooney he's not to be f*cked with.

Mumford---is dependent on what Franklin is doing. He wants money and a long term contract. If we do manage to aquire either mumford or Longer. It would leave our list with Bailey Hale Lowden Grimely ( developing forward) and Ceglar. One would surely have to leave.

Cooney-- dependent on Franklin you would think....available money in the salary cap.

Franklin. If he does decide to leave, I'm hoping its trough a trade.( yes I know they don't have to trade because he's a free agent) Pick 1 is out of the question its just unrealistic. I'd be hoping for GWS second pick and Taylor Adams in return. I think its better than the AFL compensation equivalent of the pick following our first rounder.

Such a good post
I hope Bud stays and we chase Adams
If we get Longer then good, but tbh I know very little of him
I'd love Yarran ( ducks head ) young fast and skilled!
Add him to our mix, wowee!

 

[Hodge is God]

I actually know nothing about Yarren apart from being soft.

Is he a half-back flanker or a midfielder or a small forward?
Has he got good disposal?
How old is he?

Although even of my lack of knowledge about the bloke, I am already turned off by the poor attitude and his softness.

 

[La Vache]

The only way we'll get any of Adams, Longer or Cooney is by losing Franklin.

We would still need a fair bit of cap room to offer Adams and Longer a juicy contract to sway them towards us over any other Vic side. Cooney will be looking for one more lucrative contract given his age and injury history, but perhaps a longer deal instead (3-4 years) would give him that security without breaking the bank on a per year basis. For example we could offer him four year/$1.5 million instead of two year/$1 million.

And we would need to ship the Franklin comp pick along with our first rounder to have any hope of prizing the younger fellas away from either the Lions or Giants.

Although bear in mind that the Giants will begin to shrink their list over the next four seasons so they would probably baulk at the two draft picks in exchange for one player. We may have to package the two picks elsewhere for one earlier pick to satisfy them.

Personally I'd prefer to hold onto Franklin, or stash the cap room and keep the two picks, which could be as early as pick 13/14 or as late as 17/18 and just keep developing our own footballers. With Adelaide out of the first and second rounds, Essendon likely to lose picks, and North committed to McDonald this is the first draft for a little while that is relatively uncompromised (though there are still some comp picks floating around I think).

 

[dipper86]

Such a good post
I hope Bud stays and we chase Adams
If we get Longer then good, but tbh I know very little of him
I'd love Yarran ( ducks head ) young fast and skilled!
Add him to our mix, wowee!

I was going by rumors rather than suggestions that's why Yarran isn't mentioned in my post.

I'm concerned about Yarran, from afar he looks very enticing elite speed, skills and is evasive, potentially he looks like a line breaking Daniels Wells type midfielder........These skill sets are highly in demand in a player, it begs the question why is Carlton/Malthouse willing to pass him up. Now as much as Malthouse has a punchable head IMO he's an elite coach and is much in the same vain as Clarkson in temperament (hard task master) and coaching philosophies....... built on contested football and effort (gut running, willpower to chase and get to the next contest etc) if Malthouse can't tap into him what makes you think Clarkson can. For what Carlton would want for him it would be a mighty big risk.

 

[dipper86]

The only way we'll get any of Adams, Longer or Cooney is by losing Franklin.

We would still need a fair bit of cap room to offer Adams and Longer a juicy contract to sway them towards us over any other Vic side. .

.

I think we can still fit in one of either Adams or Longer whilst still retaining Franklin, for starters we aren't taking into account delistings, retirements or trades which = some salary cap space freed up. In saying that i have confidence in Hawthorn not putting us to the very limit/red line of our salary cap regarding Franklin's contract. They have said this all along. I'm taking this on face value.

I think it would take a contract of 300 to 400 k to get Adams across.

Regards to either Cooney and Mumford whilst retaining Franklin....don't think its possible for either.

Cooney would be in the 500 to 600k
Mumford would be in the 400k to 550's

 

[nickrebellious]

Need to retry the Irish experiment to get a free shot at a inside midfielder with elite pace. Pearce Hanley is such a gun.

 

[riolimagic]

The only way we'll get any of Adams, Longer or Cooney is by losing Franklin.

We would still need a fair bit of cap room to offer Adams and Longer a juicy contract to sway them towards us over any other Vic side. Cooney will be looking for one more lucrative contract given his age and injury history, but perhaps a longer deal instead (3-4 years) would give him that security without breaking the bank on a per year basis. For example we could offer him four year/$1.5 million instead of two year/$1 million.

And we would need to ship the Franklin comp pick along with our first rounder to have any hope of prizing the younger fellas away from either the Lions or Giants.

Although bear in mind that the Giants will begin to shrink their list over the next four seasons so they would probably baulk at the two draft picks in exchange for one player. We may have to package the two picks elsewhere for one earlier pick to satisfy them.

Personally I'd prefer to hold onto Franklin, or stash the cap room and keep the two picks, which could be as early as pick 13/14 or as late as 17/18 and just keep developing our own footballers. With Adelaide out of the first and second rounds, Essendon likely to lose picks, and North committed to McDonald this is the first draft for a little while that is relatively uncompromised (though there are still some comp picks floating around I think).

wouldn't have to loose buddy to get longer get rid of hale or bailey and grimly or lowden that frees up 350 - 400 a year

 

[Steven Tyler]

I was going by rumors rather than suggestions that's why Yarran isn't mentioned in my post.

I'm concerned about Yarran, from afar he looks very enticing elite speed, skills and is evasive, potentially he looks like a line breaking Daniels Wells type midfielder........These skill sets are highly in demand in a player, it begs the question why is Carlton/Malthouse willing to pass him up. Now as much as Malthouse has a punchable head IMO he's an elite coach and is much in the same vain as Clarkson in temperament (hard task master) and coaching philosophies....... built on contested football and effort (gut running, willpower to chase and get to the next contest etc) if Malthouse can't tap into him what makes you think Clarkson can. For what Carlton would want for him it would be a mighty big risk.

Top10 draft pick given the flick, about to come into his prime
Just the kick in the pants he needs, and Clarko is the coach to give "gentle" but more importantly private reminders
Malthouse seems to go the public arse kicking, and that doesn't work with everyone
I know we won't go for Yarran, but if we did it would be very beneficial IMHO

 

[dipper86]

Top10 draft pick given the flick, about to come into his prime
Just the kick in the pants he needs, and Clarko is the coach to give "gentle" but more importantly private reminders
Malthouse seems to go the public arse kicking, and that doesn't work with everyone
I know we won't go for Yarran, but if we did it would be very beneficial IMHO

Don't be naive to think that Malthouse hasn't internally given him private reminders, He may have found public scrutiny as a last resort to his continued non compliance. As for Clarkson, and not going public, he doesn't have to, remember Sewell , what he copped is as good as going public.

 

[Hawkas1988]

in today courier mail we are liking at longer. last year we went hard for Charlie Dickson. I find both these strange would be worried If I was bailey and hail they obviously don't rate them

I think it says more about our young ruck brigade, specifically Lowden. There are big issues who is coming through after Bailey and Hale. Lowden and Ceglar don't look likely AFL ruckman atm and Grimley I believe is more of a forward atm than a ruck.

 

[Steven Tyler]

Don't be naive to think that Malthouse hasn't internally given him private reminders, He may have found public scrutiny as a last resort to his continued non compliance. As for Clarkson, and not going public, he doesn't have to, remember Sewell , what he copped is as good as going public.

I'm certainly not naive, just looking at what's potentially available and if it would benefit us!
Your points re Clarko and Sewell back up my opinion!

 

[Arrogant Frog]

Having Brett Ratten at the club will be very useful with Yarran. Surely after coaching him for 3 or 4yrs he will be privy to how he is as a bloke, he's work ethic, how coach-able he is etc. He did play some good footy off half back for Carlton, but struggled when tagged. The fact that he's having a poor year, might be a good time to poach him.

I also like Sam Blease as mentioned before, but like Yarran I think he is contracted for another year.

Also someone mentioned earlier about Taylor Adams, I would describe him as average in pace, certainly not a Dangerfield or Griffin, but does have a burst when required, but he can run all day, and was in the top 10 in the beep test at the combine doing 15.1. Glad that we are in to him, but so is pretty much every other Victorian club.

 

[dipper86]

Also someone mentioned earlier about Taylor Adams, I would describe him as average in pace, certainly not a Dangerfield or Griffin, but does have a burst when required, but he can run all day, and was in the top 10 in the beep test at the combine doing 15.1. Glad that we are in to him, but so is pretty much every other Victorian club.

Taking money out of the equation...would free haircuts from Duryea get him over the line ?

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Having Brett Ratten at the club will be very useful with Yarran. Surely after coaching him for 3 or 4yrs he will be privy to how he is as a bloke, he's work ethic, how coach-able he is etc. He did play some good footy off half back for Carlton, but struggled when tagged. The fact that he's having a poor year, might be a good time to poach him.

I also like Sam Blease as mentioned before, but like Yarran I think he is contracted for another year.

Also someone mentioned earlier about Taylor Adams, I would describe him as average in pace, certainly not a Dangerfield or Griffin, but does have a burst when required, but he can run all day, and was in the top 10 in the beep test at the combine doing 15.1. Glad that we are in to him, but so is pretty much every other Victorian club.

Would definitely take Yarran but not Blease. Shocking kicking skills which Clarko wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole

 

[dipper86]

Would definitely take Yarran but not Blease. Shocking kicking skills which Clarko wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole

Of course that's dependent on what your willing in giving up. What do you think Calrton would be wanting for Yarran?
I remember that they are pigs. They wanted a first rounder for Thornton who was an un contracted player at the time. We ended up offering two second rounders for him.....Thank God they rejected that, Yuk!

 

[Stratton_Gun]

Of course that's dependent on what your willing to giving up. What do you think Calrton would be wanting for Yarran?
I remember that they are pigs. They wanted a first rounder for Thornton. We ended up offering two second rounders for him.....Thank God they rejected that.

If they are having a mini rebuild he may not be in their plans and we could get him on the cheap. Although we would probably still have to give up something decent. I would prefer we got Adams but I would happily take either

 

[dipper86]

If they are having a mini rebuild he may not be in their plans and we could get him on the cheap. Although we would probably still have to give up something decent. I would prefer we got Adams but I would happily take either

I understand that....but my question is: What do you think Carlton would be willing to accept to take in a trade for Yarran ? In your opinion what are you willing to give up for him that you deem as fair? What range in terms of draft picks do you think is his worth?

 

[WWSD]

If we can go after a ruckman from another Club I would be looking at Tom Nicholls from the Gold Coast Suns. Great athletic ability in the ruck and around the ground and is highly skilled. His price would be fairly high though given his sudden emergence this year in the ruck.

 

[dipper86]

If we can go after a ruckman from another Club I would be looking at Tom Nicholls from the Gold Coast Suns. Great athletic ability in the ruck and around the ground is highly skilled. His price would be fairly high given his sudden emergence this year in the ruck.

Yep...he's a very nice player. he's a gun, I like him a lot.

I have him in my super coach side, that's the beauty of super coach, you get an indepth viewing of opposition players

 

[WWSD]

Yep...he's a gun.

With Zac Smith expected to return early next year from injury, Nicholls would then be pushed back as the second ruckman for the Suns. They usually play the one ruckman. He might then look elsewhere for more opportunities.

 

[Stratton_Gun]

I understand that....but my question is: What do you think Carlton would be willing to accept to take in a trade for Yarran ? In your opinion what are you willing to give up for him that you deem as fair? What range in terms of draft picks do you think is his worth?

In terms of draft picks. I would say somewhere from #10 to #20. That is off course if they are looking to cash in. If not it then there is zero chance of us getting him with our draft picks.

 

[dipper86]

With Zac Smith expected to return early next year from injury, Nicholls would then be pushed back as the second ruckman for the Suns. They usually play the one ruckman. He might then look elsewhere for more opportunities.

Yeh that's a point, but Zac is also now coming of a knee reco, can play forward and alternate though the ruck. Didn't they have Dixon also pinch hitting as the second ruck option before/after Nichols was in the side ? I think Gorringe is a player rumored to be wanting out.

 

[WWSD]

Yeh that's a point, but Zac is also now coming of a knee reco, can play forward and alternate though the ruck. Didn't they have Dixon also pinch hitting as the second ruck option before/after Nichols was in the side ? I think Gorringe is also another player rumored to be wanting out.

Yep before Nicholls came into the side, Dixon was the one playing that second ruck/forward role supporting Smith in the ruck. As for Gorringe it's been reported numerous times that he wants to head back to South Australia.

 

[dipper86]

In terms of draft picks. I would say somewhere from #10 to #20. That is off course if they are looking to cash in. If not it then there is zero chance of us getting him with our draft picks.

I'm not feeling very comfortable with that.......I'd be wanting a bonafide mid with our first pick. On potential hes probably in that range...his current output is some where in the 20's and early 30's.

In terms of player swaps?