Transgender - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Please be aware that the tolerance of anti-trans language on BF is at an all-time low. Jokes and insults that are trans-related, as well as anti-trans and bigoted rhetoric will be met with infractions, threadbans etc as required. It's a sensitive (and important) topic, so behave like well-mannered adults when discussing it, PARTICULARLY when disagreeing. This equally applies across the whole site.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You get that as 40+ your olds and starting a conversation in the last few years on a issue that has existed for your entire life probably means you are not thinking individually right?

Not sure people have pointed this out to you all yet

If people cared naturally and without I guess a push fron outside influences, this would have 20+ parts by now dating back to the 1990s...

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

the bolded is bigotry

its saying trans women are the same as cis men

that is the definition of transphobia

In what sense is that defined? Where is this definition? Can you point me to the literature of it?

What gives you the right to create the definition for transgender people? Why speak on their behalf like that? Seems more bigoted then anything else said here...

 

[Gralin]

Fair enough, how dare I make assumptions about bigots, crime! I'd imagine you'll do the same then.

You came into this thread to say that someone else was wrong about what the issue was

you said you assume the issue is xxx

then when pressed on that said we'd have to ask the group you were assuming on behalf of

so what was the point of that?

if you're not part of that group and don't have the conviction of your own position on what they would think, why are you in here arguing their position?

I mean you're talking on behalf of transgender people right now yeah?

I am?

Please explain how in this group of posts we've just had I have talked on behalf of trans people?

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

You came into this thread to say that someone else was wrong about what the issue was

you said you assume the issue is xxx

then when pressed on that said we'd have to ask the group you were assuming on behalf of

so what was the point of that?

if you're not part of that group and don't have the conviction of your own position on what they would think, why are you in here arguing their position?



I am?

Please explain how in this group of posts we've just had I have talked on behalf of trans people?

Didnt you just single handidly create the definitions?

 

[Gralin]

Didnt you just single handidly create the definitions?

Yes I just made up the word and the meaning of it just then in this very thread

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Yes I just made up the word and the meaning of it just then in this very thread

You can point me to the literature and definitions to prove me wrong. Always open that way

 

[Gralin]

You can point me to the literature and definitions to prove me wrong. Always open that way

I'm not really interested in pointing you anywhere other than back to the conspiracies board

if you don't know what words mean look them up

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm not really interested in pointing you anywhere other than back to the conspiracies board

if you don't know what words mean look them up

You ignored my other question

Any reason you were not discussing this topic before 2020? . Infact if I go through your history you only talked about topic from 2022 onwards. A bit odd to just flat out ignore a topic thats existed for your entire life until 2022 no?

 

[Gralin]

You ignored my other question

Any reason you were not discussing this topic before 2020? . Infact if I go through your history you only talked about topic from 2022 onwards. A bit odd to just flat out ignore a topic thats existed for your entire life until 2022 no?

person on internet thinks what they can find is the sum of reality

more news at 11

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

person on internet thinks what they can find is the sum of reality

more news at 11

Dont you literally judge everyone on what you find that they say on the internet?

 

[Gralin]

Dont you literally judge everyone on what you find that they say on the internet?

no
now go away

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

no
now go away

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I'm not really interested in pointing you anywhere other than back to the conspiracies board

if you don't know what words mean look them up

I looked and didn’t find what you said anywhere. All you mods asked for links/evidence to claim’s literally all the time. Why not just return the favor and provide links yourself?

 

[big_e]

And that, kids, was a textbook case of sealioning.

What is 'Sealioning'?

Sea lions can be real trolls sometimes

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[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

And that, kids, was a textbook case of sealioning.

What is 'Sealioning'?

Sea lions can be real trolls sometimes

www.merriam-webster.com

Can you just give me evidence to topic you guys discuss and not random off topic events?

A tad hypocritical to say you dont have time for links and then provide me pointless ones like this yeah?

 

[big_e]

Can you just give me evidence to topic you guys discuss and not random off topic events?

A tad hypocritical to say you dont have time for links and then provide me pointless ones like this yeah?

Nah, I'm good.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Nah, I'm good.

Enjoy the rest of your day.

If your argument was strong and with evidence you’d just prove me wrong in an instant. Would take you less time to prove me wrong than you typing this post in reality.

Gotta be honest in your posts instead of lazy really. Otherwise when people accuse you of being dishonest you have no proof to say otherwise yeah

 

[Gethelred]

Yeah.

Bye now.

 

[Carringbush2010]

if you're not part of that group and don't have the conviction of your own position on what they would think, why are you in here arguing their position?

I'm not arguing for their position. Don't know how you come to that conclusion.

 

[Blue1980]

I'm going to fairly assume, inanimate objects like sanitary bins aren't the issue.

I'm going to fairly assume, the issue is any male can claim identity as not male and just waltz into any public female toilet as a pervert or worse.

While this is so highly unlikely to happen, it can be enabled, I'm going to fairly assume this is the issue among the 'concerned' posters. Not inanimate objects.

Couldn't a non trans person just dress in drag to do the same thing you are imagining will happen?

 

[Carringbush2010]

Couldn't a non trans person just dress in drag to do the same thing you are imagining will happen?

Yes of course they could.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You get that as 40+ your olds and starting a conversation in the last few years on a issue that has existed for your entire life probably means you are not thinking individually right?

Not sure people have pointed this out to you all yet

If people cared naturally and without I guess a push fron outside influences, this would have 20+ parts by now dating back to the 1990s...

Dating back to the 1990's? Bigfooty itself only goes back to the start of the new millenium. 2000/2001 wasn't it, Chief ?

As for the history of this transgender thread, the thread opener Benny78 is long gone. The first two posts of the thread start March 19, 2017 and go;

Sex and Gender should be regarded to the biology you are born to. Regardless of any future body modifications or any later life ideas. In regards to dating, people have a right to know whether they're having sex with the same sex or the opposite sex.

Disagree with the first part but I one hundred percent agree with you on the dating bit and the need for prospective partners to be informed well before things get funky with the mood lighting and the vibrating bed and the handcuffs and the... ahem. It would be a hell of a thing to spring on someone rather than calmly walking them through the situation as one mature adult to another.

I've been arguing the point here longest I guess. I believed in informed consent back then. I still do today.

EDIT: Found a thread dated December 1999. Dates are skewed because threads are bumped in the order by age of last reply so there could be older ones out there that I can't find

Ok I've seen footy on ESPN

Can someone give the brief! rundown on rules, field size, etc, for us 'gringos'. American

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EDIT II: Search function, n00b! The very first post, Dec 7, 1999. A day that will live in infamy...

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[juss]

I can somewhat see where things are going with my newborns and things they'll experience growing up, I have no idea how things will be for their kids in 30-50 years, gender probably comes completely meaningless when there'll be probably countless ones to choose from and hundreds of what will be mostly irrelevant pronouns.

For that reason, for anything where it is actually relevant or required, we should just ask for people's biological sex, that allows people to choose what they wish with their own gender, but for anything where it's more pertinent such as sport, medicine, certain social situations, certain careers, schooling, etc. Just ask for biological sex or sex assigned at birth and be done with asking people's gender with unlimited choices and identifiers.

 

[Gethelred]

I can somewhat see where things are going with my newborns and things they'll experience growing up, I have no idea how things will be for their kids in 30-50 years...

Leaving the notion of gender aside for not, is this not true throughout most of the last 200 years?

Could a child born in England in the 1830's have imagined what the world would look like in 1850? They've possibly been sent to Australia, or to India, or to South Africa or Zimbabwe, or the Carribean. That same child born in 1899 has a dramatically different experience of the world; they've lived through sections of the Industrial Revolution, multiple continental wars, the end of slavery and the subsequent impact on world economics and/or imperialism. The rate of change has only ever gone up, too; life was different before and after WW1, and different again after WW2 no matter the side of the Iron Curtain you sat.

The 80's was as different an experience to the 60's as to almost be another world, and growing up alongside the internet is something that couldn't really be conceived of outside of speculative science fiction; the reality of it has yet to really impact us and we're already ushering a next generation of profound change with children for whom the internet has always existed.

The world changes and will continue to change. While I accept that people can chew gum and walk at the same time, why is gender the focus of consternation for that change, the bastion of the unacceptable?

 

[kirsti]

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