Travis Varcoe

[hbk_aus]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Nathan Djerrkura was his best mate and he has left. His brother got the chop also. I am thinking this is his problem. Nothing to do with shoulders or injuries. I can understand why he hasn't been dropped as they may want him to try and find his form again on the field while others can cover him.

But if he is still playing like this come finals time then he should not be picked.

Travis is now 22 isnt he? Surely he doesnt need people like a brother or best mate to hold his hand? He is engaged to a local girl, settled here so you can hardly use that as an excuse.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Seriously I hate finding fault with one of our own, but I'd like him, Travis, for his sake, to find form in the two's rather than be ridiculed for a lack of courage and intent.

Some moron was trying to run a thread accussing Mackie of cowardice, the guy had 26 disposals and 6 marks, he's been thereabouts for 3 weeks.
So it is possible for us to get things seriously wrong if we develop a hatred for a player.

As a Geelong supporter I want my comments to be team orientated and not personal vendettas, I hope Varcoe finds the resolve needed for senior AFL, but I think he needs to go back to the reserves to rekindle the hunger.

 

[darren forssman]

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Some moron was trying to run a thread accussing Mackie of cowardice, the guy had 26 disposals and 6 marks, he's been thereabouts for 3 weeks.

to quote our coach:

"The numbers look great but we can get seduced by numbers sometimes."

can someone, anyone, tell me how lots of disposals equals hard man status?

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

to quote our coach:

"The numbers look great but we can get seduced by numbers sometimes."

can someone, anyone, tell me how lots of disposals equals hard man status?

"Numbers can look great", yeah, 3 weeks in a row! you got problems with that??

Or should he be taking hard man lessons from your man Varcoe, hope not, Macks' been doing nicely of late thanks very much!

You obviously have a problem with Mackie, don't you consider possessions, if a play is involved within the game as a positive?
No wonder you like Varcoe.

 

[vinum coupe]

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to quote our coach:

"The numbers look great but we can get seduced by numbers sometimes."

can someone, anyone, tell me how lots of disposals equals hard man status?

I'm going to be seduced every week by 7 inside 50's from a half back flanker.
Maybe I'm easily pleased.

 

[Silverado]

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Travis is now 22 isnt he? Surely he doesnt need people like a brother or best mate to hold his hand? He is engaged to a local girl, settled here so you can hardly use that as an excuse.

Further to that, if you have some drama in your home life, and I'm not suggesting that TV has, then you leave it at home. when you go to any other job you are expected to get on with it. The boss doesn't want to hear how you miss your brother, your dog died, your missus is cheating blah blah blah, he wants you to do your job! right now TV must be borderline not doing his. I'm not incensitive to people being weighed down by personal issues and that having an effect on their work from time to time, but surely if TV was suffering from that I'm pretty sure the club would have the right people in place to help him get through it and i would suggest he should have done so by now.

I think a stint in the 2's would be a good indicator for where TV is at. if he went back to the 2's with the instruction to find plenty of ball and make a bunch of tackles and then didn't demand the ball and look to punish his opponent, then I would say we have a case of a guy severly out of form and in a real trough. If he went back and tore it up then it might suggest he is having trouble adjusting to a different role, structures or the coaches wants and may need to be given a diferent task on game day, or bring in the right person. I think it's high time that they find this out

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

I can't believe I am going to say this.
But I don't think this is the week to drop him. *ducks head*

 

[Gladbaqs]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

So what you're really trying to propose is, Travis Varcoe will be Gary Ablett in a couple of years. LOL.

No.

The 06 Ablett was lightyears ahead of the now Varcoe...

I said Varcoe '10, not Varcoe now.

Suppose you're suggesting that we just let him continue on his merry way in the seniors.

No.

 

[Vdubs]

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I can't believe I am going to say this.
But I don't think this is the week to drop him. *ducks head*

Agree, of course.
How many of our guys have kicked 3 in a 1/4 this year? Yet we all agree he is out of sorts. He could be the difference this week. Isn't that his role. I don't expect him to be the tackling machine he was last year. Not yet anyway. Anyone recall how out of sorts Buddy was after his shoulder ops? No? I was reminded of that speaking to Hawk fans today at work. When they heard about this Drop Varcoe talk, they are both bemused and hoping it happens. See only 5 or so weeks ago, they remember out of sorts Varcoe being the spark that got us into winning form.
And they thought they saw similar form against Carlton.

Anyway,there are enough well respected BF posters here who want him out for a while, and they may well be correct. But I'm not one of them. Not until after Hawks/Saints.

 

[David the Cat]

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Seriously I hate finding fault with one of our own, but I'd like him, Travis, for his sake, to find form in the two's rather than be ridiculed for a lack of courage and intent.

Some moron was trying to run a thread accussing Mackie of cowardice, the guy had 26 disposals and 6 marks, he's been thereabouts for 3 weeks.
So it is possible for us to get things seriously wrong if we develop a hatred for a player.

As a Geelong supporter I want my comments to be team orientated and not personal vendettas, I hope Varcoe finds the resolve needed for senior AFL, but I think he needs to go back to the reserves to rekindle the hunger.

It annoys me that people accuse any of our players of lacking courage...no AFL player lacks courage...he would never get there if he did.

Its plain ignorant.

 

[CF]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Travis is now 22 isnt he? Surely he doesnt need people like a brother or best mate to hold his hand? He is engaged to a local girl, settled here so you can hardly use that as an excuse.

For an indigenous player it can be an issue. I am not saying this is the cause just trying to look at all the angles. Maybe he has problems outside of football as well? who knows

 

[darren forssman]

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"Numbers can look great", yeah, 3 weeks in a row! you got problems with that??

Or should he be taking hard man lessons from your man Varcoe, hope not, Macks' been doing nicely of late thanks very much!

You obviously have a problem with Mackie, don't you consider possessions, if a play is involved within the game as a positive?
No wonder you like Varcoe.

no problem with mackie, he plays his role, you brought him up and seemed to imply that coz he gets so many possessions he is a hardman. that is far from the truth.

I'm going to be seduced every week by 7 inside 50's from a half back flanker.
Maybe I'm easily pleased.

didnt say he played badly and thats not what i was getting at.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

no problem with mackie, he plays his role, you brought him up and seemed to imply that coz he gets so many possessions he is a hardman. that is far from the truth.



didnt say he played badly and thats not what i was getting at.

The impication was yours, if you remember!
I never said he was a "hardman" owing to his recent number of possessions, it was you're comment on my post.

I called the dude that created that recent anti-Mackie thread a moron, for citing him as a chicken hearted down hill skier.
Obviously to achieve the number of possessions he has over 3 weeks one would have to put the body on the line on some occassions.
I've watched him do it, roll the video if you must.
That's my train of logic, regarding Mackie is a softy, the numbers don't tell that storey,not of late anyhow.
Just for the record, I said last week 25 possessions and 6 marks, sorry make that 25 and 7 marks, I ripped him off!
Varks got 6, in half a game, we're so desparate for him.

 

[bobbycatsfanme]

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It annoys me that people accuse any of our players of lacking courage...no AFL player lacks courage...he would never get there if he did.

Its plain ignorant.

they all go beyond the call of arms imo and the amount of media coverage and scrutiny per game has placed every single football player in a precarious position week in week out. They stand under the ball far too often and I always cringe seeing a bloke waiting for the hospital ball and knowing the outcome could easily be a lost kidney or corkey into the spinal cord.

 

[Cattery]

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As a Geelong supporter I want my comments to be team orientated and not personal vendettas, ......

Little late for that don't you think, can't recall many instances of a poster conducting a more "personal vendetta" against a particular player then your's against Varcoe over a lengthy period of time.

 

[Partridge]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

they all go beyond the call of arms imo and the amount of media coverage and scrutiny per game has placed every single football player in a precarious position week in week out. They stand under the ball far too often and I always cringe seeing a bloke waiting for the hospital ball and knowing the outcome could easily be a lost kidney or corkey into the spinal cord.

Agreed. It was for Tom Lonergan. But that was a very rare case.

A far more common occurrence is an outcome of hundreds of thousands of dollars per year, plus endless excuses for non-performance.

Yes there is pressure, but there is with any job. Most don't have the perks either.

 

[meto]

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Little late for that don't you think, can't recall many instances of a poster conducting a more "personal vendetta" against a particular player then your's against Varcoe over a lengthy period of time.

It's about his performances not him as a person, or do you think he should get a game because his name is Travis Varcoe and he once ran down Buddy Franklin from behind?

What makes me sick, is the hypocritic Varcoe supporters going after Tom Hawkins when their guy is getting minimal pozzies himself.

All I do is state the facts, I'm not on my own either, his lack of intensity is obvious to others.
His attack on the ball of late is not up to senior expectations, surely you'd have to agree?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

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I am a big TV fan but he may need a run in the 2's to get the spark back. I have a feeling the selectors will view it the same, as having him as the Sub didn't work and surely the next step is the 2's from there?
Sounds like Christensen and Motlop are deserving of a promotion and as we have walked the walk ( Hawkins) lately I think it will be this week.

 

[Cattery]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

It's about his performances not him as a person, or do you think he should get a game because his name is Travis Varcoe and he once ran down Buddy Franklin from behind?

Certainly don't see your comments about him as being "team orientated" as you stated you wanted them to be in an earlier post, rather just an endless stream of negativity regardless of whether he plays poorly or well; and no, I don't believe he should be getting a game simply on his name.

All I do is state the facts, I'm not on my own either, his lack of intensity is obvious to others.
His attack on the ball of late is not up to senior expectations, surely you'd have to agree?

Actually you're not stating facts, merely your opinion.

I do agree that his performances for the most part this year have been well below expectations and that he's probably due for a spell in the VFL, he's not doing himself or the team any favours with his, how should I put it, half hearted efforts at the moment.

 

[darren forssman]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

What makes me sick, is the hypocritic Varcoe supporters going after Tom Hawkins when their guy is getting minimal pozzies himself.

i doubt you could even tell us who these varcoe supporters are that are going after tom hawkins. just more baseless meto arguments.

and no, im not a varcoe sympathiser, just amused by your nonsensical rants.

 

[topic97]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

I am a big TV fan but he may need a run in the 2's to get the spark back. I have a feeling the selectors will view it the same, as having him as the Sub didn't work and surely the next step is the 2's from there?
Sounds like Christensen and Motlop are deserving of a promotion and as we have walked the walk ( Hawkins) lately I think it will be this week.

Yeah me too, I have actually met the guy a few times through friends and he is a great bloke.

But he definately needs a run in the 2's, I dont think his interrupted preseason has done him any good either.
He needs to get his hands on a fair bit of the ball and get that confidence to back himself that he had last year - he is bloody explosive when he does beleive in himself!!

There was one point on sat that after he came on and just didnt chase down opponents when he had fresh legs that struck me as really strange.
He just seems to have lost his explosive zip that he had last year.

I wouldnt mind seeing Motlop given a run, have heard some good things about him, and why not blood yet another talented young guy
Until trav gets touch back that is!!

 

[Partridge]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

But he definately needs a run in the 2's, I dont think his interrupted preseason has done him any good either.
He needs to get his hands on a fair bit of the ball and get that confidence to back himself that he had last year - he is bloody explosive when he does beleive in himself!!

He did have an interrupted pre-season, but he also played in our final practice match - against Carlton at Carlton. And was pretty close to best on ground. And was hitting the packs hard. I walked away from that thinking he'd stepped up another gear and was really going to blitz this year.

For whatever reason, the player I saw that day hasn't appeared in the home and away season to date. But it is NOT due to the pre-season, because he displayed better form in his one appearance.

 

[TheHonestyPolicy]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

Fairly circuitous this discussion. I think everyone agrees he is down on form and needs to improve. There are positive ways of looking at it to the downright malicious to be honest that I have read. Come finals Trav and Wojo on opposite wings on the G is probably the type of mobility we need. Form permitting of course as Wojo is not at his best now either.

My issue is people coming on here "knowing" something better than anyone else. Some of us had an opinion on Mooney recently and weirdly enough Moons and the coach seemed to be poles apart on their views on his health and progress! Funny about that but surely we could all take a dose of humble pie from that. What the hell do we know? Other than the simple fact he is getting picked weekly, he has helped us win some games along the way, he needs to improve, he is a very important player to our structure and he is likely to get a rest soon whether its "general soreness" or form related, so whats all the fuss about seriously? If he is playing like this towards the end of the season, which I dont think he will be, then I reckon have a chat about it then.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

No doubt in anyones mind that when in form he is easily in our top 10. However in recent weeks he is far from that form and very marginal in deserving a game IMO - as to how the Coaching staff view it , not sure , maybe he is doing enough to justify his role. If he isn't he , like anyone else in that situation, he needs to be given a chance ( time in the 2's , a rest etc) to turn it around . We can all be seduced by what the player can do but there also comes a time when time runs out and others busting their gut deserve a chance. This is one area where CS can make a statement , as he did with Hawkins , and I don't think he will hesitate if the situation demands it. A bit of tough love for Tom won't hurt and it may well apply to Travis as well.

 

[meto]

Re: Calls for Varcoe to be dropped

No doubt in anyones mind that when in form he is easily in our top 10.

Farmer2goggin,

So it is with any when in form. Each to their own, the propaganda machine rolls on.
I hope he plays the next two rounds, so we can all see exactly what he has to offer.