Rumour Troy Menzel

[Turbocat]

Called in alphabetical order.

That make sense , thanks Piv

 

[Pivo]

That make sense , thanks Piv

I was joking.

Just so we're clear.

 

[Turbocat]

I was joking.

Just so we're clear.

Really , I thought it made sense, so guess im the joke. Then why call one before the other when you have p23 and p24. Must be some logic somewhere

 

[Pivo]

Really , I thought it made sense, so guess im the joke. Then why call one before the other when you have p23 and p24. Must be some logic somewhere

Honesty, don't know.

Perhaps their IDs? Maybe Gardiner was numbered before Johnson?

Maybe they actually rated Gardiner higher?

 

[Turbocat]

Honesty, don't know.

Perhaps their IDs? Maybe Gardiner was numbered before Johnson?

Maybe they actually rated Gardiner higher?

ID is sort like Alphabetical order , could be right. Gardiner as the the better player... well perhaps. Be a good question for Wells.

 

[AM]

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...rlton-troy-menzel.981477/page-5#post-26486908

He said it on SEN on the night of the draft.

Thanks for that. SW must have had a neuron drop-out on the night being so open. He's known as someone who keeps his recruiting cards very close to his chest. As he should.

Recall an expansive interview with him a couple of years ago when the journo tried very hard to extract the names of a couple of players he'd missed who he regretted not being able to secure. The journo got nowhere. Wells saying he never gives out those details publicly but there were quite a few because of the way the draft works.

Further suggested that he thought if the names the list managers took into the draft meeting were known the top 10 names would most likely be the same. Only the order would differ.

Wonder whether SW has the same view of TM now.

 

[Turbocat]

AM , I think he usually very careful about naming the ones he didn't get to call , in some way id always thought this was to protect the players we did pick. With Menzel he had the family connection and he trained at the club , so Im guessing its no slight on Thurlow that if TM had been there they would have taken him.

 

[Ninty]

Hahaha haha ha

21 games and a highlights package like that. makes you want to cry, haha.

 

[allrighty]

Probably our first and Smedts, I would think...

meh

 

[Seeds]

I think there's only been four - take them out and there's only a moderate increase (maybe 14 disposals, 2 goals?) As I said, think he'll be a good player but not sure that's ahead of the curve for a half forward taken at pick 11.

comparable with ablett juniors stats at the same age.

 

[thejester]

comparable with ablett juniors stats at the same age.

And Shaun Higgins'.

 

[Seeds]

And Shaun Higgins'.

which prooves the point that stats dont tell the answer. Although Higgins also has serious talent and was hampered by injuries and a lack of fitness so not the best example here. A better one would be Adrian McAdam.

 

[Pivo]

which prooves the point that stats dont tell the answer. Although Higgins also has serious talent and was hampered by injuries and a lack of fitness so not the best example here. A better one would be Adrian McAdam.

Now there is a blast from the past.

You want a seriously good start to your career?

McAdam's 1st Game V RICMOND

10 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 7 goals

2nd Game V SYDNEY

19 kicks, 5 handballs, 14 marks, 10 goals

3rd Game V WESTERN BULLDOGS

11 kicks, 1 handball, 2 marks, 6 goals


...and then in his 6th game he kicked 9 against Collingwood. Kicked 68 goals in 17 games in his first year.

Pretty handy.

 

[Partridge]

Now there is a blast from the past.

You want a seriously good start to your career?

McAdam's 1st Game V RICMOND

10 kicks, 2 handballs, 3 marks, 7 goals

2nd Game V SYDNEY

19 kicks, 5 handballs, 14 marks, 10 goals

3rd Game V WESTERN BULLDOGS

11 kicks, 1 handball, 2 marks, 6 goals


...and then in his 6th game he kicked 9 against Collingwood. Kicked 68 goals in 17 games in his first year.

Pretty handy.

Fair to say he struggled somewhat once clubs started paying attention to him though.

 

[Pivo]

Fair to say he struggled somewhat once clubs started paying attention to him though.

Yeah, although the start of his second year wasn't too bad (just didn't kick as many goals).

I read that after footy he played a bit of cricket and wasn't a bad fast bowler.

 

[vinum coupe]

ID is sort like Alphabetical order , could be right. Gardiner as the the better player... well perhaps. Be a good question for Wells.

Who knows. It could be even deeper than that.
Might have been something like "Who do we call first?" "Well Steve has a bit of a big head, wouldn't be the worst idea to select him behind someone else"

And maybe they had their eye on Gardiner all along and he was always going to be picked there if available.
Maybe SJ was an after thought.

 

[jim boy]

Thanks for that. SW must have had a neuron drop-out on the night being so open. He's known as someone who keeps his recruiting cards very close to his chest. As he should.

Indeed - reminded me of another recruiter who recruited Gareth Bale "Ruddick watched for a while before speaking to Bale's parents, Debbie and Frank. He smiles when asked how he knew who they were. "Little tricks. You watch a player and see who he goes to between games. Then you go and stand next to them and say: 'Enjoying your day? Oh, is that your lad? He isn't bad, is he. Would he like to come and see us at Southampton?' I try to keep it short, because other people could be watching me. Get a phone number and get away as quick as you can, otherwise you might alert somebody else: 'Who's Rod talking to?'"

 

[Shai]

If I was Carlton I'd be all over Schroder, better than any of their young midfielders and at least has some fight in him.

Only seen Schroder once in Vfl but was impressed, he stood out in regards to most of team, can't rem who the opps were but it was 1 of the few televised games....

 

[The rabbi]

Only seen Schroder once in Vfl but was impressed, he stood out in regards to most of team, can't rem who the opps were but it was 1 of the few televised games....

I think that it was Jester who suggested that he would like to see him play forward pocket and hang around at the feet of Hawkins.

 

[Shai]

I think that it was Jester who suggested that he would like to see him play forward pocket and hang around at the feet of Hawkins.

Hmm @ this stage not sure who else I'd like to see there but think Hawkins/Kersten are 2 of 3 I'd prefer..

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I mentioned a while ago that we were speaking with Troy about the possibility of coming to Geelong and that he was interested....then I heard he put pen to paper with Carlton, and it wasn't to eventuate anytime soon. Has he signed, or has it been delayed?

He's interested, we're interested, but it'll take something special to get Carlton to trade.

 

[Vdubs]

ID is sort like Alphabetical order , could be right. Gardiner as the the better player... well perhaps. Be a good question for Wells.

Gardiner was a very likeable prospect at that stage, a private school boy with good skills, good size, well respected. People knew SJ had foibles even back then.

 

[Teriyakicat]

I mentioned a while ago that we were speaking with Troy about the possibility of coming to Geelong and that he was interested....then I heard he put pen to paper with Carlton, and it wasn't to eventuate anytime soon. Has he signed, or has it been delayed?

He's interested, we're interested, but it'll take something special to get Carlton to trade.

I understand that he is still yet to sign, SoG.

 

[strauchnyy]

I mentioned a while ago that we were speaking with Troy about the possibility of coming to Geelong and that he was interested....then I heard he put pen to paper with Carlton, and it wasn't to eventuate anytime soon. Has he signed, or has it been delayed?

He's interested, we're interested, but it'll take something special to get Carlton to trade.

How do you know we were speaking with him?

 

[Seeds]

Fair to say he struggled somewhat once clubs started paying attention to him though.

Never recovered after Colbert (in one of his first games) tagged him into submission.