Roast Troy Pannell

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deaneus said:
Mark Waugh & Shane Warne like this.

John Gillespie, Hayden Haitana, Robert North, Tommaso Di Luzio, John Dixon and Bill & Robbie Waterhouse like this.

Ryan Tandy likes this.

Quinten Hann likes this.

Thank God no Australians have ever been involved in any match-fixing or illegal betting in sports. It's all those sneaky foreigners.
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Absolutely bet fixing happens but there's no proof it happens here. There's not even a hint of proof. How much money do you think it would take to move a line? After winning 37k in one hit on an NFL weekend last season I then got so heavily restricted by Bet365 that it was hard to bet enough money to move a line so for all those who think there are betting syndicates etc betting big money on AFL games, just bear in mind that the bookies actually know who the high rollers are and heavily restrict and even outright ban them after short winning streaks. For Pannell to win enough money for it to be worthwhile for him to risk his job and his 5k a game salary he'd have to be involved in something super sophisticated that involved constantly creating new accounts to try and get around the bookies. I belong to a betting forum where we all have the same problem where even a moderate amount of success creates problems with the bookies and I'm currently restricted by EVERY bookie there is. Shit bookies like Luxbet restrict me to $25 a bet. So if you're going to talk about gambling then you really need to get your facts right.
 

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radiojake said:
You don't think a 78 page thread (in one week) about umpiring is embarrassing?
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You don't think a free kick count of 17:1 isn't embarrassing? o_O And as has been said, it's wasn't the 17:1 lopsided count and friendly pat on the ass that was the problem, it was that he didn't see ANY (sorry, only 1) mistakes by the bulldogs for the entire 2 hours, yet the other two umpires saw it quite differently. It's either gross incompetence, or cheating. Either way, it's a big story and should have been dealt with in a transparent way. Of course, the AFL don't work transparently.
 
Roo Lives Again said:
Absolutely bet fixing happens but there's no proof it happens here. There's not even a hint of proof.
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Roo Lives Again said:
So if you're going to talk about gambling then you really need to get your facts right.
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LOLOLOLOL

Again, Ryan Tandy likes this (an Australian busted for match/spot-fixing, in Australia). Quinten Hann likes this too (an Australian busted for match/spot-fixing, in England).

Roo Lives Again said:
How much money do you think it would take to move a line?
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Um... $10? Um... $12?

Maybe read my post again. The bit where it says,

deaneus said:
Real fraud, the kind that doesn't get caught, is when you move small amounts of cash - of the sizes auditors aren't to notice or be concerned about - on a regular basis somewhere, so it looks like everything else in your Accounts Payable ledger... or betting account
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If i wanted to bet and not get caught, why the **** would i bet so much as to move the line? I'd have better odds walking into One World Trade Centre with a fake beard, t-shirt that said "ÄLLAH AKBAR" and an AK-47 and not inciting a riot.

Roo Lives Again said:
After winning 37k in one hit on an NFL weekend last season I then got so heavily restricted
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I have that problem all the time. Thankfully my girlfriends Kate Upton and Emma Stone are always there to cheer me up.

Roo Lives Again said:
For Pannell to win enough money for it to be worthwhile for him
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Which is how much exactly? Even assuming he's doing it, do you pretend to know his motivations?

Roo Lives Again said:
to risk his job and his 5k a game salary he'd have to be involved in something super sophisticated that involved constantly creating new accounts to try and get around the bookies. I belong to a betting forum where we all have the same problem where even a moderate amount of success creates problems with the bookies and I'm currently restricted by EVERY bookie there is. Shit bookies like Luxbet restrict me to $25 a bet.
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So... i agree he's an umpire and they're generally thought of as stupid, but are you precluding him on that basis, from being "involved in something super sophisticated"? Or just because it's hard for you, so it must be too hard for him?

Roo Lives Again said:
So if you're going to talk about gambling then you really need to get your facts right.
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Salient. Very, very salient.
 
deaneus said:
And notwithstanding the fact the it has been proven that not only does match-fixing and illegal betting on matches exist in world sport, and that it exists in Australian sport, both in evidence above and as alluded to in the "blackest day in Australian sport" press conference, my ACTUAL concern, the reason i contacted my betting provider was to ascertain whether or not it was a level playing field in terms of available information vis a vis Champion Data statistics, was because as a casual punter I don't have access to such data - and am therefore at a disadvantage to those setting prices. I'm not interested in playing games where I'm at a clear disadvantage, so the AFL can **** off their never-ending affiliations with betting providers that they never shut up about.





Because there's only ever plunges when the fix is in? So, only Pannell can place the bets?

Since you're both such well-known gamblers, let me explain how to commit fraud to you. You know those movies like Ocean's Eleven where George Clooney and his friends orchestrate massive heists whilst standing around looking good to upbeat swing music? Yup, they're movies*. Real fraud, the kind that doesn't get caught, is when you move small amounts of cash - of the sizes auditors aren't to notice or be concerned about - on a regular basis somewhere, so it looks like everything else in your Accounts Payable ledger... or betting account. Fake invoices, real signatures, tiny amounts that don't get noticed. That shit goes on for years and no one notices.

So yes, "Pannell did not place big bets on the game". Unless he's a ******* idiot, he would have gotten a friend he can trust to place small bets.

So, morons, you can have hamburger once or milk for the rest of your life: which would you pick? You don't even think there's a cow.






*except for that $81M bank heist in Bangladesh but that will probably be turned into a movie
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That's one of the strangest posts I've seen.

The fix has to be big enough to worthwhile. No one is fixing for lunch money.

That there are examples of match fixing is exactly 0% correlated with any single random match. And that's without mentioning the absence of abnormal patterns or plunges

And YES that does matter. No matter how many movies you watch
 
Paladin said:
More likely Pannell is a big dogs fan and favoured them accordingly.

I probably would favour the crows if I umpired.
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As somebody said earlier in this thread, there are 3 possibilities:
  1. Incompetence
  2. Bias affecting his ability to fairly adjudicate decisions, to the point that is indistinguishable from incompetence
  3. Cheating

I would tend towards believing option #2. The bias being a natural result of him umpiring the team he supports. Like you, I doubt that I could be sufficiently objective if I had to umpire an Adelaide game. Mind you, I think I'd be more impartial than Pannell.
 
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Vader said:
As somebody said earlier in this thread, there are 3 possibilities:
  1. Incompetence
  2. Bias affecting his ability to fairly adjudicate decisions, to the point that is impossible to differentiate from incompetence
  3. Cheating

I would tend towards believing option #2. The bias being a natural result of him umpiring the team he supports. Like you, I doubt that I could be sufficiently objective if I had to umpire an Adelaide game. Mind you, I think I'd be more impartial than Pannell.
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Common sense tell me that your option 2 seems the most logical. Having said that I found that when I coached the school cricket team I would put more pressure on my son to show I wasn't being biased. If I were umpiring a Crows game and it was known that I followed the Crows I would be tougher on the Crows just to prove I wasn't being biased. To favour your own team would be stupid as it would bring greater scrutiny...... mind you if it came to making a decision about a free kick in the Grand Final right in front of goal with only a few seconds on the clock and the Crows were down 5 points I think I would give the Crows a free kick. :)
 
BrissyCrow said:
Common sense tell me that your option 2 seems the most logical. Having said that I found that when I coached the school cricket team I would put more pressure on my son to show I wasn't being biased. If I were umpiring a Crows game and it was known that I followed the Crows I would be tougher on the Crows just to prove I wasn't being biased. To favour your own team would be stupid as it would bring greater scrutiny...... mind you if it came to making a decision about a free kick in the Grand Final right in front of goal with only a few seconds on the clock and the Crows were down 5 points I think I would give the Crows a free kick. :)
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Sounds very much like Roo's commentary on Fox Footy.
 
BrissyCrow said:
Common sense tell me that your option 2 seems the most logical. Having said that I found that when I coached the school cricket team I would put more pressure on my son to show I wasn't being biased. If I were umpiring a Crows game and it was known that I followed the Crows I would be tougher on the Crows just to prove I wasn't being biased. To favour your own team would be stupid as it would bring greater scrutiny...... mind you if it came to making a decision about a free kick in the Grand Final right in front of goal with only a few seconds on the clock and the Crows were down 5 points I think I would give the Crows a free kick. :)
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If we lost a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump supported the opposition, nothing would happen.

If we WON a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump was an AFC supporter, we would totally be stripped of that flag.
 

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Niximus said:
If we lost a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump supported the opposition, nothing would happen.

If we WON a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump was an AFC supporter, we would totally be stripped of that flag.
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Incorrect.

If a prospective umpire was found to support AFC, he'd not make the senior panel.
 
Bacon8 said:
Incorrect.

If a prospective umpire was found to support AFC, he'd not make the senior panel.
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Got it in one. This is a competition that believes the only crowd that boo umpires decisions are at Subiaco and the only crowds that influence umpires are at Adelaide Oval.

It's breath-taking in its hypocrisy.
 
Bacon8 said:
Incorrect.

If a prospective umpire was found to support AFC, he'd not make the senior panel.
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Oh no doubt.

Presumably this one had kept his allegiances well hidden until that moment. It only came to light due to the unprecedented AFL instigated Royal Commission into the GF prompted by comments from Mick Malthouse that Luke Beverage had heard from a friend that Kyle Cheeney had told Michael Talia that the umpires favourite player OAT was Tony Modra.
 
Niximus said:
Oh no doubt.

Presumably this one had kept his allegiances well hidden until that moment. It only came to light due to the unprecedented AFL instigated Royal Commission into the GF prompted by comments from Mick Malthouse that Luke Beverage had heard from a friend that Kyle Cheeney had told Michael Talia that the umpires favourite player OAT was Tony Modra.
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This is what shits me the most. Take the Pannell situation into another sport and see how this sounds:

One key NBA referee fouls out Bosh and Wade and gives Miami 17 fouls to Boston's 1. The other two refs hand out their fouls 8-8 and 3-2. Then it's revealed that ref grew up in Beantown and has been a Celtics fan his whole life.

Nothing to see here? The NBA would be down on that like a tonne of bricks.

In the AFL, however, we get an administration that is not only not interested in this, they're actually supporting the bloke who did it and telling everyone there is no problem. That's FIFA-like in its denial.

All the while investigating a Fremantle rookie's non-use of coasters in the Virgin airport lounge because they have to protect the integrity of the game.
 
Niximus said:
If we lost a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump supported the opposition, nothing would happen.

If we WON a GF through a BS free right in front of goal, and it came out that the ump was an AFC supporter, we would totally be stripped of that flag.
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My comment about a free kick in a GF was stated with tongue in cheek.
 
deaneus said:
LOLOLOLOL

Again, Ryan Tandy likes this (an Australian busted for match/spot-fixing, in Australia). Quinten Hann likes this too (an Australian busted for match/spot-fixing, in England).



Um... $10? Um... $12?

Maybe read my post again. The bit where it says,



If i wanted to bet and not get caught, why the **** would i bet so much as to move the line? I'd have better odds walking into One World Trade Centre with a fake beard, t-shirt that said "ÄLLAH AKBAR" and an AK-47 and not inciting a riot.



I have that problem all the time. Thankfully my girlfriends Kate Upton and Emma Stone are always there to cheer me up.



Which is how much exactly? Even assuming he's doing it, do you pretend to know his motivations?



So... i agree he's an umpire and they're generally thought of as stupid, but are you precluding him on that basis, from being "involved in something super sophisticated"? Or just because it's hard for you, so it must be too hard for him?



Salient. Very, very salient.
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Normally I'd say someone who wrote this had no idea but you've demonstrated that you have less than no idea
 
Get onto Facebook and look up a page called 'here comes the pace'. They've analysed Toby McLean from the Bulldogs getting 18-0 free kicks, most from high tackles. What's even better is they slow down the vision and you see him collapse at the knees whenever he senses contact. I'm slow motion it's impossible to defend how obvious it is. Disgraceful. Yeah but it's just we're first to the ball lol. ****ing cheats.
 
Roo Lives Again said:
Absolutely bet fixing happens but there's no proof it happens here. There's not even a hint of proof. How much money do you think it would take to move a line? After winning 37k in one hit on an NFL weekend last season I then got so heavily restricted by Bet365 that it was hard to bet enough money to move a line so for all those who think there are betting syndicates etc betting big money on AFL games, just bear in mind that the bookies actually know who the high rollers are and heavily restrict and even outright ban them after short winning streaks. For Pannell to win enough money for it to be worthwhile for him to risk his job and his 5k a game salary he'd have to be involved in something super sophisticated that involved constantly creating new accounts to try and get around the bookies. I belong to a betting forum where we all have the same problem where even a moderate amount of success creates problems with the bookies and I'm currently restricted by EVERY bookie there is. Shit bookies like Luxbet restrict me to $25 a bet. So if you're going to talk about gambling then you really need to get your facts right.
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It's like playing games as a kid against 'that' other kid. The one who, upon losing too much, says 'No fair!' and stops you from playing against them anymore. If they keep winning, there are no complaints.
 

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