Roast Troy Pannell

[Kane McGoodwin]

Get onto Facebook and look up a page called 'here comes the pace'. They've analysed Toby McLean from the Bulldogs getting 18-0 free kicks, most from high tackles. What's even better is they slow down the vision and you see him collapse at the knees whenever he senses contact. I'm slow motion it's impossible to defend how obvious it is. Disgraceful. Yeah but it's just we're first to the ball lol. ******* cheats.

It's obvious certain players are milking frees.

If the umpiring department were competent, they would have the hitlist of players & stop paying these frees... Then the players will stop playing for fees & the game would be better for it.

If only...

 

[Deaneus!]

Normally I'd say someone who wrote this had no idea but you've demonstrated that you have less than no idea

You claim there's been no match fixing in Australia, I immediately prove you wrong and I've got no idea?

LOLOLOLOLOL

 

[Roo Lives Again]

You claim there's been no match fixing in Australia, I immediately prove you wrong and I've got no idea?

LOLOLOLOLOL

No, I said the Bulldogs v Crows game wasn't a case of match fixing. You also said it'd only take $10-12 to move a betting line. That's comedy gold right there. Are you the only person in this country who bets? Lol. I've bet 10k on games and the line hasn't moved. If we were talking about player exotics then they're super sensitive as Australian Bookies are piss weak but even then they need to take action in the thousands before even those sensitive lines move. Game lines take a helluva lot more than that to move. Do you not realise that hundreds of thousands of dollars are bet on games every weekend? If all it took for a line to move was $10-$12 the lines would never stop moving. Again, you literally have no clue about gambling. Oh, and just because you've never won large amounts of money it doesn't mean others haven't. Happy to post my bet slips.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You claim there's been no match fixing in Australia, I immediately prove you wrong and I've got no idea?

LOLOLOLOLOL

People have their head in the sand if they think there is no match fixing in Australian support.

There has never been so much money wagered, which gives more opportunity for games to be unduly influenced.

 

[Scorpus]

No, I said the Bulldogs v Crows game wasn't a case of match fixing. You also said it'd only take $10-12 to move a betting line. That's comedy gold right there. Are you the only person in this country who bets? Lol. I've bet 10k on games and the line hasn't moved. If we were talking about player exotics then they're super sensitive as Australian Bookies are piss weak but even then they need to take action in the thousands before even those sensitive lines move. Game lines take a helluva lot more than that to move. Do you not realise that hundreds of thousands of dollars are bet on games every weekend? If all it took for a line to move was $10-$12 the lines would never stop moving. Again, you literally have no clue about gambling. Oh, and just because you've never won large amounts of money it doesn't mean others haven't. Happy to post my bet slips.

I'm curious: what's your net overall record?

 

[Roo Lives Again]

No idea, too lazy to keep an accurate record. However, taken a hit because I started betting basketball after the NFL season and down almost 20k when I stopped and got onto AFL. Pulled back 4K betting pretty conservatively. Overall still up something like 60k?. Have tried doing an audit on the last 2-3 years but it's too difficult to do with so many bets that I've made and I always seem to get a different figure each time!.

 

[Sanders]

You claim there's been no match fixing in Australia, I immediately prove you wrong and I've got no idea?

LOLOLOLOLOL

You have no idea. Suggesting an unrelated discreet event is evidence implicating another discreet unrelated event is the definition of ass-clownery

 

[FR0GGY]

Who's got 10k to bet? Jesus!

 

[Deaneus!]

Absolutely bet fixing happens but there's no proof it happens here. There's not even a hint of proof.

No, I said the Bulldogs v Crows game wasn't a case of match fixing.

No, you said "there's no proof it happens here". So what you really meant was, "there's no proof it happened here". That's good English.

You also said it'd only take $10-12 to move a betting line. That's comedy gold right there.

I guess besides not being able to speak English, you don't speak Sarcasm either. So there's something we agree on, it was comedy gold, except you didn't realise it was a joke. Perhaps you should look at the line immediately below that where i point out

Real fraud, the kind that doesn't get caught, is when you move small amounts of cash - of the sizes auditors aren't to notice or be concerned about - on a regular basis somewhere, so it looks like everything else in your Accounts Payable ledger... or betting account. Fake invoices, real signatures, tiny amounts that don't get noticed. That shit goes on for years and no one notices.

and i'll type it slowly for you, if... someone... wanted... to... commit... ongoing... fraud... the... best... way... is... to... do... it... so... nobody... notices.

You have no idea. Suggesting an unrelated discreet event is evidence implicating another discreet unrelated event is the definition of ass-clownery

Speaking of ass-clownery, Sanders, the Adelaide board's most pernicious troll, is here!

I'll tell you what Roo, i get the feeling you don't believe a word I'm saying, and I know I don't believe a word you're saying, so let's agree to disagree and we can go back to the land where illegal match-fixing and betting only happens overseas.

 

[Deaneus!]

People have their head in the sand if they think there is no match fixing in Australian support.

There has never been so much money wagered, which gives more opportunity for games to be unduly influenced.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/blackest-day-in-australian-sport-20130207-2e1mb.html

everyone remembers the drugs part, no one ever talks about the "and possible attempts to fix matches and manipulate betting markets" bit

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-key-figures-say/story-e6frf9jf-1226504893702

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/41ed3003d13d8449efe1e48c38a10eef

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/af...s/news-story/1f80181f1965558f99ae6bcd90e84ea0

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...l/news-story/83f618a30083f31e21136160c3673850

One day it'll come out that someone has thrown a game in the AFL, or more likely spot-fixed something, and Australia will collectively run around wringing its hands, saying "it's Un-Australian!" and "it's never happened here before" and other such nonsense, just like when no one believed Essendon decided to dope the entire club with peptides. Even the clubs think gambling is a bigger problem than drugs - but the AFL keeps talking about drug testing, because they don't make any money from drugs. Gambling though, they make a lot from:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/g...tys-round-one-broadcasts-20160331-gnvpvr.html

 

[jenny61_99]

No, I said the Bulldogs v Crows game wasn't a case of match fixing. You also said it'd only take $10-12 to move a betting line. That's comedy gold right there. Are you the only person in this country who bets? Lol. I've bet 10k on games and the line hasn't moved. If we were talking about player exotics then they're super sensitive as Australian Bookies are piss weak but even then they need to take action in the thousands before even those sensitive lines move. Game lines take a helluva lot more than that to move. Do you not realise that hundreds of thousands of dollars are bet on games every weekend? If all it took for a line to move was $10-$12 the lines would never stop moving. Again, you literally have no clue about gambling. Oh, and just because you've never won large amounts of money it doesn't mean others haven't. Happy to post my bet slips.

You've bet $10k? You need help.

 

[Sanders]

No, you said "there's no proof it happens here". So what you really meant was, "there's no proof it happened here". That's good English.



I guess besides not being able to speak English, you don't speak Sarcasm either. So there's something we agree on, it was comedy gold, except you didn't realise it was a joke. Perhaps you should look at the line immediately below that where i point out



and i'll type it slowly for you, if... someone... wanted... to... commit... ongoing... fraud... the... best... way... is... to... do... it... so... nobody... notices.



Speaking of ass-clownery, Sanders, the Adelaide board's most pernicious troll, is here!

I'll tell you what Roo, i get the feeling you don't believe a word I'm saying, and I know I don't believe a word you're saying, so let's agree to disagree and we can go back to the land where illegal match-fixing and betting only happens overseas.

And there it is... The chest beating definance whilst back peddling out the door. Wisely I might add

 

[Sanders]

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/blackest-day-in-australian-sport-20130207-2e1mb.html

everyone remembers the drugs part, no one ever talks about the "and possible attempts to fix matches and manipulate betting markets" bit

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-key-figures-say/story-e6frf9jf-1226504893702

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vi...s/news-story/41ed3003d13d8449efe1e48c38a10eef

http://www.perthnow.com.au/sport/af...s/news-story/1f80181f1965558f99ae6bcd90e84ea0

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...l/news-story/83f618a30083f31e21136160c3673850

One day it'll come out that someone has thrown a game in the AFL, or more likely spot-fixed something, and Australia will collectively run around wringing its hands, saying "it's Un-Australian!" and "it's never happened here before" and other such nonsense, just like when no one believed Essendon decided to dope the entire club with peptides. Even the clubs think gambling is a bigger problem than drugs - but the AFL keeps talking about drug testing, because they don't make any money from drugs. Gambling though, they make a lot from:

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/g...tys-round-one-broadcasts-20160331-gnvpvr.html

You make 911 truthers seem credible.

You need to establish there is some connection between the random events you're relying on, and the equally random and unrelated event your discussing.

You should not even need to be told this.

There are no red flags, no markers. And it's obvious you've never punted in your life which is fine, by why all the histrionics???

 

[crowsup]

Is all the new betting done on line or TAB agencies now? Silly me, I thought there were some illegal gambling agents still around.
But then, what do I know?

 

[Roo Lives Again]

No, you said "there's no proof it happens here". So what you really meant was, "there's no proof it happened here". That's good English.



I guess besides not being able to speak English, you don't speak Sarcasm either. So there's something we agree on, it was comedy gold, except you didn't realise it was a joke. Perhaps you should look at the line immediately below that where i point out



and i'll type it slowly for you, if... someone... wanted... to... commit... ongoing... fraud... the... best... way... is... to... do... it... so... nobody... notices.



Speaking of ass-clownery, Sanders, the Adelaide board's most pernicious troll, is here!

I'll tell you what Roo, i get the feeling you don't believe a word I'm saying, and I know I don't believe a word you're saying, so let's agree to disagree and we can go back to the land where illegal match-fixing and betting only happens overseas.

Righto. There's no evidence it happens here was referring to the Crows game but if you want to try and twist it around to disguise the fact you have no idea then good for you. It would take a syndicate with enormous amounts of betting accounts to bet large amounts of money in small lots as to not get noticed. I just had my betstar account closed because it's up about 10k. Yes, they closed it. But how can they do that? Bookies are beholden to no one so they ban or restrict consistent winning gamblers to ensure they only have losers on their books.

For Pannell and his mates to be match fixing then they'd be winning consistently and they'd face bet restrictions at the very least and would have to then be constantly opening new accounts. I have accounts in friends names and even those accounts are being restricted. So, for this supposed betting syndicate to exist and be match fixing and winning enough to make it worthwhile and to be betting only using 'small amounts' like you say as to 'not be noticed' then you're talking about a massive undertaking.

If my betstar account can be closed after winning 10k over several years then Pannell and his mates would have an enormous task on their hands to pull it off. Again, you need to understand gambling and how it works in this country and from your posts you obviously don't. I'm sorry you've taken offense at my initial post, it was meant for ALL the people who were suggesting match fixing in the thread more than being directed at you.

You seem to be on a mission to try and prove me wrong when you're the one with zero evidence that the Crows v Bulldogs game had anything to do with match fixing. It wasn't, it was Pannells/AFL's incompetence and bias for the dogs and the Bulldogs dropping of their knees to get frees that lost us the game.

 

[beartoo]

No idea, too lazy to keep an accurate record. However, taken a hit because I started betting basketball after the NFL season and down almost 20k when I stopped and got onto AFL. Pulled back 4K betting pretty conservatively. Overall still up something like 60k?. Have tried doing an audit on the last 2-3 years but it's too difficult to do with so many bets that I've made and I always seem to get a different figure each time!.

You don't pay tax on winning bets? I thought the ATO insisted on that. Might be wrong as I don't gamble.

 

[MarcusP2]

No, gambling winnings are not taxed.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

You've bet $10k? You need help.

Yeah help counting my money lol

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If they are milking free kicks good luck to them. Ive watched a reply of that Bulldogs Vs Adelaide game and as a Bulldogs supporter we did get a hell of a good run. But thats football. It will even itself out. As a junior coach I say to the kids all the time be first in for the ball and you will get the reward. Most of the free kicks the Bulldogs got in that game were tackles that came about because the Bulldogs were FIRST to the ball. Some of them should not have been free kicks but that did not cost Adelaide the game. They lost it because they got smashed in contested possessions. Stop whinging and get over it.

Yet the times Adelaide were first to the ball 17:1 paid us no frees!

All we want is fair umpiring & that means not paying frees to those playing for frees.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

If they are milking free kicks good luck to them. Ive watched a reply of that Bulldogs Vs Adelaide game and as a Bulldogs supporter we did get a hell of a good run. But thats football. It will even itself out. As a junior coach I say to the kids all the time be first in for the ball and you will get the reward. Most of the free kicks the Bulldogs got in that game were tackles that came about because the Bulldogs were FIRST to the ball. Some of them should not have been free kicks but that did not cost Adelaide the game. They lost it because they got smashed in contested possessions. Stop whinging and get over it.

Stop peddling that rubbish. Go onto that Facebook page I mentioned and watch your boy collapse his knees everytime he senses contact. It's embarrassing and a blight on the game.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

Is all the new betting done on line or TAB agencies now? Silly me, I thought there were some illegal gambling agents still around.
But then, what do I know?

Mostly online but Ubet took over the TAB. Not sure if that's everywhere or just some states. They still have TAB/Ubet stores around but easier to just bet online.

 

[Max McDonald]

Stop peddling that rubbish. Go onto that Facebook page I mentioned and watch your boy collapse his knees everytime he senses contact. It's embarrassing and a blight on the game.

I agree with you mate. He does do it. I dont like it either. He needs to get it out of his game. But it is not the umpires fault, it is still a free kick for too high. And the bulldogs have some gun midfielders like Libba, Wallis, Bontempelli, Hunter, Dalhauus who get a lot of free kicks because they want the ball more and are harder than their opposition most of the time. I have plenty of respect for Adelaide, most of their supporters are great and you were too good in the Elimination final last year. No excuses. Just like the Bulldogs were too good a couple of weeks ago. Troy Pannell had nothing to do with it. Umpires can only call it the way they see it. As a junior coach I hateall of this talk about umpires, it sends a wrong message to kids playing the game. Umpires make mistakes and have bad days just like everyone else.

 

[Roo Lives Again]

You make 911 truthers seem credible.

You need to establish there is some connection between the random events you're relying on, and the equally random and unrelated event your discussing.

You should not even need to be told this.

There are no red flags, no markers. And it's obvious you've never punted in your life which is fine, by why all the histrionics???

Yes. There was no betting plunge on the dogs and the odds were pretty close by kickoff. There wasn't any lopsided betting which there'd have to be if someone or a group were betting large amounts therefore causing a dramatic change in the odds.

If you want to talk about international match fixing then you sometimes hear about a large underdog suddenly being bet into short odds. That is a betting plunge and raised suspicion because the question has to be asked why has this teams odds changed so much? What is the reason for that? The last two years I bet on Freo for their last round match as soon as the market opened as Ross Lyon has a habit of resting half the team. Sure enough the odds blew out and the team they were playing were suddenly short priced faves and Freo got smacked.

Nothing like that happend in this game. There was no betting conspiracy.

 

[jenny61_99]

Yeah help counting my money lol

Ah. yeah, nah.

 

[jenny61_99]

No, gambling winnings are not taxed.

Unless they deem it a source of income. (ie. if you are a "professional" gambler, they can tax you).