Troy Taylor - Giving it Away?

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Yes/no.

For some kids, giving them structure, a future, realising pontetial is what they need...for SOME kids.

For others, it doesn't.

There are no 'one size fits all' answers.

Hence why posters who talk about a club's culture when a player loses his way have no idea what they are talking about. I defy anyone to identify an AFL club (outside of the soon to arrive Gold Coast Suns) that hasn't had players lose their way whilst on the playing list.

AFL clubs are no better at dealing with troubled youth than any other organisation which deals with a cross section of young people.
 
Saying Taylor is a victim of a Richmond culture is a little obscure, don't you think? Dimma does not and has never held that view - you are either lying or easily led. Perhaps both. I would suggest the commentary that has emanated from the club and Dimma himself regarding Troy and indeed Relton is indicative of a very supportive environment. Indigenous Centre ring a bell?

He is, however, an uncompromising chap when it comes to players. Having flicked 20+ players in 13 months is evidence of that. Troy knows the standards he is expected to meet and if he feels unable to reach them, for whatever reason, then he like every other player would be compelled to consider his position. "Troy is a wonderful character"? Don;t recall saying that, but I stand by my assertion that the issues of his last 2 years will shape his future heavily and our club is best equipped to assist. Whether he wants to accept that help is up to him

As for you guys wishing you had Dimma, well that's just going by (unennnding) talkback callers frothing into the receiver, excepts from that bomberblitz thing and your board. Maybe I should send a survey letter to every EFC member (just 41,000 or so of them...;) to find out

As for Hurley... well excuse me if I feel a little less sympathy for the silver spoon-fed private school laddie (also with prior form) who bashed a helpless cabbie and blamed it on the grog than I do for someone whose upbringing and community life were characterised by violence at the centre of almost any social or intrafamily dispute

One day, Lance, even for a while.... try to get out and see the real world. You'll be amazed what you find.

Houli? Well, the bloke the Prahran Under 9's coach tried so hard to retain should be with us soon. Thanks for that!:D

While you're such a fan of generalisations, how's Essendon's record with Muslim players? Deary me, Lance. Surely you're better than that.:thumbsdown:

UTG

Taylor's mother would be disappointed with your comments about his upbringing.

Apparently Taylor's Mother is a fine, law abiding citizen.

Sometimes you need to be careful when throwing dirt to support an argument - It can backfire.
 
AFL clubs are no better at dealing with troubled youth than any other organisation which deals with a cross section of young people.

I'm not sure how you can know this. I imagine footy clubs are quite well positioned with regard to the experience they can bring to bare on situations like this. Mentoring from former players who experienced similar problems would be quite useful. Not that clubs are unique in there access to that sort of support but they do have quite significant resources financially to hire people and implement programs. Whether they do is another story but I would imagine the incentive for them to in cases like TT would be pretty strong.
Someone like Andrew Krakouer would be terrific in a mentoring role like this.
 

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UTG

Taylor's mother would be disappointed with your comments about his upbringing.

Apparently Taylor's Mother is a fine, law abiding citizen.

Sometimes you need to be careful when throwing dirt to support an argument - It can backfire.

WTF does being a law abiding parent have to do with upbringing? Tell me, want to go toe to toe with a guidance councilor on that? Will give you the number of a friend (will pst you the number), she will absolutely towel you for that garbage. You do know kids have independent thought correct? Here's a something for you to think about juvenile crime.

Recently, at mt buller 10+ private school kids (Melbourne Grammer I think) were done for shop lifting. All from rich families, they stole because they could. All the families are law abiding. I'll dig up the article if you like. Were they a product of bad parenting or good parenting?

Where do you get off on trying to draw assumptions between the parents law abiding and Troy's behaviour. You can have a great upbringing (even rich parents) and still go and commit crime.

I hope Troy does come back but if he doesn't, I wish him well for the future. But I know the essendon and melbourne fans don't, because they wouldn't be on here celebrating his return to NT.
 
Hence why posters who talk about a club's culture when a player loses his way have no idea what they are talking about. I defy anyone to identify an AFL club (outside of the soon to arrive Gold Coast Suns) that hasn't had players lose their way whilst on the playing list.

AFL clubs are no better at dealing with troubled youth than any other organisation which deals with a cross section of young people.
How's Eddie Betts going, didn't he have a fairly rough upbringing?
It (clearly) can happen. There are plenty of cases where a steady job & a tight group of mates has helped footballers stay out of trouble.
That group of mates is probably more important than the club's welfare people but even that won't help in a lot of cases.

You're absolutely right about all the culture stuff btw.
 
LOL

Bling pick 4
JON pick 8

Richmond's terrible culture destroyed any ounce of potential they had.

Buddy must thank god every day he didn't get drafted by the tuggers otherwise he would be a massive massive spud instead of an elite forward.

Bling - Had the chance, played some good football at times. Just likes to blame everyone else for not performing, wait till Adelaide figure that one out.

JON - Was a spud as a player. Yes, he has a learning disability either but you want me to reel off some of the players/people in history with learning disabilities?

Dexter Manley, Terry Bradshaw, Greg Louganis, Michael Jordon, Babe Ruth, Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose, Alberto Tomba, Jackie Stewart, Carl Lewis, and Sylvester Stallone just to name a few.

So naming JON as a wasted talent is a stretch at best. As for culture, you have no idea of Richmond's culture so don't pretend. You take aim a 2 or 3 people being moved on or leaving and you call it culture. Here's one for your team, delisting only 3, it's called denial.
 
Cant see how anyone could be blaming Richmond. he was clearly a young guy with problems, Richmond gave him a chance, it seems he wasnt up to it.
 
Cant see how anyone could be blaming Richmond. he was clearly a young guy with problems, Richmond gave him a chance, it seems he wasnt up to it.

Correct, though he's not on the heap just yet. Magic talent and the game will be better for his return and commitment. Mitch Morton had him move in after Relton went home and spoke of his and the player group's desire to help those from differing backgrounds adjust to the big smoke. The guys want him there and hopefully he has, regains or finds the drive required to make a difference.

That said, go Spurs.:thumbsu:
 
Correct, though he's not on the heap just yet. Magic talent and the game will be better for his return and commitment. Mitch Morton had him move in after Relton went home and spoke of his and the player group's desire to help those from differing backgrounds adjust to the big smoke. The guys want him there and hopefully he has, regains or finds the drive required to make a difference.

That said, go Spurs.:thumbsu:

"Taxi..... for Maicon...............Taxi ..... for Maicon..........!!!!"
 
"Taxi..... for Maicon...............Taxi ..... for Maicon..........!!!!"

That was gold. Sheer gold. Read the Telegraph's match review - brilliant stuff. Wish I was there. Signing Bale up for another 4 years was a fairly good decision me thinks.

Back on topic, um, yeah all the best to Troy. Come back soon.
 

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Correct, though he's not on the heap just yet. Magic talent and the game will be better for his return and commitment. Mitch Morton had him move in after Relton went home and spoke of his and the player group's desire to help those from differing backgrounds adjust to the big smoke. The guys want him there and hopefully he has, regains or finds the drive required to make a difference.

That said, go Spurs.:thumbsu:

look here UTG us richmond people are thoroughly sick of you derailing threads about essendons woes, in fact im now declaring im not going to join you in your fair and balanced comments about essendon, on a thread about a tiger i might add

We all know that that essendon afficianado lance has ALL the inside info on all things AFL so we should all just stop posting in here.:rolleyes:
 
look here UTG us richmond people are thoroughly sick of you derailing threads about essendons woes, in fact im now declaring im not going to join you in your fair and balanced comments about essendon, on a thread about a tiger i might add

We all know that that essendon afficianado lance has ALL the inside info on all things AFL so we should all just stop posting in here.:rolleyes:

Forgive me. From now on I will start every post with "Unless Lance says this is not the case..." and seek to be unbalanced and deferential to HRH Lance wherever possible.;) He is so omnipotent that I fear I may incur his wrath, ere I do otherwise.

That was definitely a goal Troy kicked in the game against Port in R22, btw. Unless lance says this is not the case, of course.
 
Just to be devils advocate, I'm white and I play in a band with some aboriginal guys. They are always late for everything, don't turn up sometimes and generally have trouble with time management and reliability. It's silly to pretend there aren't cultural differences in the way we perceive time and responsibility and the value we place on success or material things.
These guys are crazy talented songwriters and players, if they could get it together they could be anything. Sound familiar?

No no no ...the rule is that if anything slightly negative is said about an indigenous person then the person making the statement is a complete and utter racist .....thats how it works around here.

Taylor won't be the first indigenous player to walk away from the game at a young age and i'm tipping he won't be the last .

Oh, and Lance > UTG ;)
 
Richmond were forced into taking a lot of kids in the draft in 2009 because of the ineptitude of Wallace in the previous years, constantly and arrogantly topping up with duds and holding onto has-beens.

They were always going to have some failures along the way. Its inevitable. They didnt have much choice but to take risks on players like Roberts and Taylor.

Hardwick will bounce back from this.
 
And that's why he didn't get the job!

I don't see anything wrong with Dimmas response.

Players should be expected to meet club standards and training requirements, and those unable to conform should expect the scrutiny that comes with it. It shouldn't matter if they're indigenous, muslim, anglo, irish, kiwi etc....

Carl Peterson was moved on by Richmond because he was unable to conform to club standards. Hawthorn then tried their hand at turning him around and moved him on for the same reasons.
 
Cant see how anyone could be blaming Richmond. he was clearly a young guy with problems, Richmond gave him a chance, it seems he wasnt up to it.

Richmond were forced into taking a lot of kids in the draft in 2009 because of the ineptitude of Wallace in the previous years, constantly and arrogantly topping up with duds and holding onto has-beens.

They were always going to have some failures along the way. Its inevitable. They didnt have much choice but to take risks on players like Roberts and Taylor.

Hardwick will bounce back from this.

Quoted for truth. :thumbsu:

RFC have essentially said that the door is open for when / if Troy is ready to give the AFL another go. What more can you ask for.
 
What's disappointing is that the kid can play. As mentioned, the loss of Relton Roberts and Richard Tambling wouldn't have helped - unfortunately, some of the Aboriginal players simply won't put in the time/effort to fulfil their potential.
Could it just be that some people have different priority's in life. Maybe just maybe the;

Being in an alien environment
Training your ass of everyday
Having to constantly perform under pressure
Being away from your family
Battling with injuries & form
Realising you're just a commodity
retiring or being dumped
Wondering WTF

Aren't the priorities we all have ;)
 
Past history and previous track record are generally the best pointer to someone's future history and traits. People do change and take second chances but in reality most don't. No matter what race, colour or creed the kid was. His back ground was checkered with more than one serious indiscretion. The odds when the Tiggers took him were against them turning him around. I'm sure they tried and it is a really pity he doesn't look to have responded.
 
Forgive me. From now on I will start every post with "Unless Lance says this is not the case..." and seek to be unbalanced and deferential to HRH Lance wherever possible.;) He is so omnipotent that I fear I may incur his wrath, ere I do otherwise.

That was definitely a goal Troy kicked in the game against Port in R22, btw. Unless lance says this is not the case, of course.

Take it easy on Lance. I remember him pointing out earlier this season that Jack Riewoldt was not in the same league as Gumbleton, Dawes, Henderson and Kennedy.:D






At least he was man enough to admit he got it way wrong.


But then again, he could hardly keep arguing his original point, could he?



ON TOPIC, no one knows why Taylor has gone or if/when he'll be back. Until we learn more, we're all speculating.
 
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