Roast UMPIRING is just me or is it really getting more biased each week.

[SuperSub17]

schmitt umpired the bulldogs game as well.
remember that one?

Hard not to...7-zip frees in the first qtr, 21-11 altogether.

^Agree with Cata_Pendles in that Gieschen is extremely frustrating; it is just an arrogant, bury-your-head-in-the-sand approach when they defend the indefensible. His reasoning for the Roughead non-HTB last week was "We would be paying 100 frees for HTB a game if we paid those". You mean the last few years, when those were routinely paid, had 100 HTB frees a game? He clearly had a prior opportunity to dispose the ball. Gieschen compared it side-by-side with the Rioli one from rd 19 against Geelong. Apparently they are allowed to use precedents when it suits them.

You are 100% right in that it leads to more respect. Every week he comes out and says "yeah, we were really comfortable with that decision..." Waiting to see what contrived BS he comes up with to defend the goal-line decision.

 

[Number 10]

I think west coast got it their way in the first half and we did in the last. The only problem was west coasts were at far more important spots on the ground at times. Either way bar the first 10 minutes it evened out.

 

[Lord of the Pies]

Did not think it was too bad. But i am sort of used to it.

"We are Collingwood, we have to overcome everyone and everything to win"

 

[blaze036]

They weren't as bad as most of the screaming fans at the MCG suggested.

About 10+ times when the cried was feverishly baying for a free kick i carefully watched the replay with an open mind and saw it was a good call.. they got a few wrong but thats to be expected, i thought it was a good performance.

 

[pies1958]

They weren't as bad as most of the screaming fans at the MCG suggested.

About 10+ times when the cried was feverishly baying for a free kick i carefully watched the replay with an open mind and saw it was a good call.. they got a few wrong but thats to be expected, i thought it was a good performance.

There is an accumulation effect. For me personally the frustration at umpiring has built up over the years.
Schmitt and Stevic are some of the worst offenders.
No matter how obvious there is virtually a 'no free kick in Collingwood's forward 50' rule and a 'no holding the ball for Collingwood' rule.
And all other rules are open to massive interpretation but more often than not we seem to lose. The stats don't lie. We may have won the free kick count on 10 or so occasions this year but I bet on those occasions our frees were mostly in the back line. Our free kick count is still LOWER than everyone else's which means that for some reason in Collingwood games they are consciously putting the whistle away. Of course we all want the whistle to be put away, but it has to be consistent and and for ALL games, not just Collingwood.

 

[Tazwegian]

It is just you.

 

[peter9789]

It's the interpretation of the rules that make it so frustrating. The deliberate out of bounds is one which comes to mind that's seems to be paid more often when the crowd demands it such as games in Perth and adelaide.

For what it's worth I thought the umpiring on Saturday was ok except for the goal gifted to cox when he was pushing back hard against browny and browny momentarily grabbed his jumper. Browny only had eyes for the ball and cox was making full on frontal contact with no interest where the ball was and yet was given a free in the goal square

As for the goal review that was plainly ridiculous over ruling all of e umpires standing meters away.

 

[doppleganger]

I'm really surprised by the timing of the OP. Having just watched the replay I thought the umpiring was fantastic, one of the best umpired games of the season. To be honest, I hardly noticed them. I reckon there may have been only 3/4 decisions where either side would've had a genuine right to feel aggrieved.

Fans of a club will never be happy with umpiring of their own side, as objectivity goes out the window.

In the 1st quarter at the game I felt we were very hard done by, but after watching the replay the next day it was basically just the Krak non goal that baffled.

H.Shaw....players get pinged for that basically every week, he tried to disguise it (and did a pretty good job) but those decisions are paid week in week out.

Hill....there was no impact to Harry, would be absolutely ropeable if one of our blokes was denied a mark and shot on goal if the situation was reversed.

Cox....was poor (dumb) play by Brown, he had no reason to hold Cox...a stretched jumper is an obvious indicator to the ump to pay a free....Cox was jostling without pulling a jumper.

10 matches where we 'won' the free kick count, 12 where we lost it, 2 where it was even. Tough to complain really.

Free kick totals have nothing to do with who gets the 'rub of the green' from the umps.

On Satday there were 3 decisions that I felt went against us

Krak's goal being disallowed....it aint a part of free kick stats.
Beams' mark being disallowed for less than 15m....it aint part of free kick stats.
Ried's mark on the wing not being paid....again it aint part of free kick stats.

They were all crucial 50/50 type decisions that went against us, but none were free kicks.

People pointing to free kick counts and expecting them to be equal are more of a problem than the umpires.

 

[Hardas]

It is just you.

Good one.
And lots of good balanced replies in the thread, though I don't mind the passion of those that think we get reamed by the umps and have often wondered if the general dislike towards our club that we know exists in the community doesn't transfer to the field umpiring, even subconsciously.
Who knows?
But even if it were true, wouldn't you agree that the players' mindset and level of commitment and ferocity is the deciding factor in games.

 

[_Stinger_]

H.Shaw....players get pinged for that basically every week, he tried to disguise it (and did a pretty good job) but those decisions are paid week in week out.

Like this one no less than an hour later...oh that's right - it was called play on and the ball actually went over the boundary line. The Eagles defender clearly has his eyes on the ball (not) and it's less than a metre away!! God help us if Cloke ever gets paid a free kick because a defender interferes with him.

 

[Busse]

what call from this game that annoyed mewas he holding one in the square, the umpire clearly said they were both holding then called holding on Brown, Cox just let go to mark it then they call the free against Brown, clearly they have to give time for him to actually realise that Cox has let go of him!

 

[doppleganger]

Like this one no less than an hour later...oh that's right - it was called play on and the ball actually went over the boundary line. The Eagles defender clearly has his eyes on the ball (not) and it's less than a metre away!! God help us if Cloke ever gets paid a free kick because a defender interferes with him.

Point being that after watching the replay, the incidents in the first Q that I originally thought were ordinary, most were fine.

There is actually an art to pushing the boundaries of what a defender can get away with, Presti used to be brilliant at it....would niggle, lean, obstruct, ****** but get away with it as there were no clear frees.

That is one that Cloke could/should have been paid. But in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a blatant check, McKenzie was heading back toward goal with Cloke and edged him out. There was nothing blatant about it, just two KPPs jostling.

Heater on the other hand ran straight back, then at the last minute tried to do an 180 jump to portray he was going for the ball.......it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Brown clearly had a handful of Cox' jumper, and the umpire can spot a jumper stretch a mile away....it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Our defenders are guilty of being obvious....umpires like to pay the obvious.

Same with Jolly, absolutely nothing in the 4Q free kick to NicNat...problem being the umpire spotted a hand in his face....an obvious free that he can pay.

Presti should be bought back to teach the art of pushing the boundaries and not giving away stupid obvious free kicks.

 

[Mame]

Let's all rejoice in one decision.

Adam Selwood buckled at the knees and Jamie Elliott's tackle momentarily slid high. Selwood tried to grab his arm so it would stay there. Umpire called for a bounce. Adam Selwood's look of disbelief was a beautiful sight.
The Umps obviously used all their quota for Joel Selwood against Freo....... think it was 3 in 3 mins in the 3rd quarter (Imagine Milney saying that sentence).

Selwood raised his elbow to make it go high too. I loathe that behaviour. Every time Duckwood and co duck/raise the arm and the umpires don't pay a free I laugh.

 

[ipswichpies]

Point being that after watching the replay, the incidents in the first Q that I originally thought were ordinary, most were fine.

There is actually an art to pushing the boundaries of what a defender can get away with, Presti used to be brilliant at it....would niggle, lean, obstruct, ****** but get away with it as there were no clear frees.

That is one that Cloke could/should have been paid. But in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a blatant check, McKenzie was heading back toward goal with Cloke and edged him out. There was nothing blatant about it, just two KPPs jostling.

Heater on the other hand ran straight back, then at the last minute tried to do an 180 jump to portray he was going for the ball.......it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Brown clearly had a handful of Cox' jumper, and the umpire can spot a jumper stretch a mile away....it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Our defenders are guilty of being obvious....umpires like to pay the obvious.

Same with Jolly, absolutely nothing in the 4Q free kick to NicNat...problem being the umpire spotted a hand in his face....an obvious free that he can pay.

Presti should be bought back to teach the art of pushing the boundaries and not giving away stupid obvious free kicks.

Doppleganger you should watch Glass mate to see a player who gets away with it every week,what is happening to Cloke in that picture happens to him each week and nothing is ever given.

The umpires just need to umpire both teams the same and on my observation that is hardly ever the case in that picture Mackenzie never had eyes for the ball and should have been penalized I will tell you 1 thing if he played for us he would not get away with it.The same story last week with Roughead 3 paces and then loses the ball in the tackle play on absolute bullshit and it is what we get most weeks.

It really is us against them and by them I include many umpires they ream us game after game.On the Brown one if Brown had not grabbed his jumper Cox would have push Brown over and on our recent run with umpires he would not have been penalized even though he never at any stage made the ball his primary objective.As I contend this I think occurs far to regular in our games I just want to see the same level of officiating applied to both teams consistently and watching Collingwood matches it never happens.

 

[blaze036]

Selwood raised his elbow to make it go high too. I loathe that behaviour. Every time Duckwood and co duck/raise the arm and the umpires don't pay a free I laugh.

i cannot stand the selwood brothers. Its an embarrassment they are called "brave" they're just ****ing divers

 

[TradeDraft]

"We admit it's an incredibly tight call. No matter which way we go I think people would be saying we made the wrong call."

If it was a Tight Call why Reverses you bald Prick Geish?

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/147854/default.aspx

 

[Pie eyed]

I don't think it's a matter of bias, I think it's a matter of umpires being told so many different interpretations leading into any given week.

And then it's a case of either of the three umpires deciding or even understanding how to implement and interpret those new changes each week.

The level of umpiring this year has been woeful, but I don't actually blame the umpires (when I'm not at the game), I blame the AFL and the umpire bosses who have made the game almost impossible to umpire correctly.

Oh, and I bet you all miss Razor Ray now.

Cloke is constantly confronted front on by defenders with their backs to the ball, constantly has his arms chopped and constantly deals with a hold or an arm over the shoulder and incredibly rarely gets a free kick. By contrast Jolly slightly touched Cox's face while wrestling for possession in the ruck, a raffle at the best of time,and receives a gratis goal as a result.

That Cloke has not been vastly more verbal about the shit treatment he has to endure is a credit to him and his focus.

Personally if I were Cloke I would simply be leaping and kneeing anyone in front of me in the face, back of the head, kidney etc. as Buddy and Waite do constantly.

 

[Pie eyed]

It'

i cannot stand the selwood brothers. Its an embarrassment they are called "brave" they're just ******* divers

It's a family trait no doubt used the more often thanks to the dimwittedness of the umpires who fall for it.

 

[Collin Wood]

With us it's more the frees we don't get that are the problem, as opposed to the ones the opposition get.

Krakouer having his head taken off. Selwood or shuey would have been paid those as soon as skin touched skin.

Cloke constantly being molested.

Their players were jumping all over ours and it was let go all night.

spot-on

 

[SuperSub17]

Point being that after watching the replay, the incidents in the first Q that I originally thought were ordinary, most were fine.

There is actually an art to pushing the boundaries of what a defender can get away with, Presti used to be brilliant at it....would niggle, lean, obstruct, ****** but get away with it as there were no clear frees.

That is one that Cloke could/should have been paid. But in the grand scheme of things it wasn't a blatant check, McKenzie was heading back toward goal with Cloke and edged him out. There was nothing blatant about it, just two KPPs jostling.

Heater on the other hand ran straight back, then at the last minute tried to do an 180 jump to portray he was going for the ball.......it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Brown clearly had a handful of Cox' jumper, and the umpire can spot a jumper stretch a mile away....it attracts attention and he was pinged.

Our defenders are guilty of being obvious....umpires like to pay the obvious.

Same with Jolly, absolutely nothing in the 4Q free kick to NicNat...problem being the umpire spotted a hand in his face....an obvious free that he can pay.

Presti should be bought back to teach the art of pushing the boundaries and not giving away stupid obvious free kicks.

Can't say I agree with the Shaw and Brown decisions.

What Shaw did is block his opponent - which is no different to a player having the front posiition in the marking contest and staying there, shielding the player behind from the ball. It's not a free kick.

As for the Brown-Cox one, Cox actually is holding Brown too - whether the umpire can see it or not is irrelevant. If he can't see everything that is going on, he is guessing - and that CANNOT happen. It's amateurish.

 

[jonbe54]

Can't say I agree with the Shaw and Brown decisions.

What Shaw did is block his opponent - which is no different to a player having the front posiition in the marking contest and staying there, shielding the player behind from the ball. It's not a free kick.

As for the Brown-Cox one, Cox actually is holding Brown too - whether the umpire can see it or not is irrelevant. If he can't see everything that is going on, he is guessing - and that CANNOT happen. It's amateurish.

It happens all the time sub, it shouldn't but does.

 

[SuperSub17]

It happens all the time sub, it shouldn't but does.

You're right, you would think in the goalsquare, in a cut-throat final (with supposedly the bset umpires), they might be better than that.

 

[jonbe54]

You're right, you would think in the goalsquare, in a cut-throat final (with supposedly the bset umpires), they might be better than that.

Yeah m8 *sigh*

 

[SuperSub17]

Yeah m8 *sigh*

Still have nightmares about Alastair Lynch throwing up his arms, jumping out of the pack and getting a free 15m out late in the last qtr of the 2002 GF...

 

[jonbe54]

Still have nightmares about Alastair Lynch throwing up his arms, jumping out of the pack and getting a free 15m out late in the last qtr of the 2002 GF...

My nightmare goes back a little further - to 1978 and a little prick called HARMES