Umpiring

[Marcel Proust]

Unbelievable.
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[dwwaino]

New rule out! You have one second after a mark-free whatever to get rid of the ball otherwise it's play on lol They were quick on the draw last night.

There was one where Jack was on the 50, the mark was about 45m. He looked around for options without moving and was waved play on. What if he didn't like his options and wanted to take a shot? He has 30seconds yet was told to play on in 3 or 4. I hope the club questions the whole thing even if we don't hear about it.

 

[wegetpumped]

There was one where Jack was on the 50, the mark was about 45m. He looked around for options without moving and was waved play on. What if he didn't like his options and wanted to take a shot? He has 30seconds yet was told to play on in 3 or 4. I hope the club questions the whole thing even if we don't hear about it.

I think they make up rules as they go its a f disgrace.

 

[RJK Tiger]

New rule out! You have one second after a mark-free whatever to get rid of the ball otherwise it's play on lol They were quick on the draw last night.

that was unbelievable, its beyond stupid what they are doing. the one for Lynch or Jack was insane

 

[PaulBulluss]

The best one is when they call play on when the player has literally just turned around after picking the ball up next to the fence. From memory it happened to Lynch.

It's farcical. These new rules and interpretations are making a mockery of the game. I can't think of another sport that is more contrived.

Baker has a guy run into him and they call high contact. A minute later he receives a handball, braces for contact while still essentially getting control of the ball and they pay HTB.

They want to create free flowing football but for what reason? Is the game more attractive? Are higher scores being kicked?

 

[This Is Anfield]

Lots of AFL umpires on the roads this morning... No F***ing Idea!!!

 

[wegetpumped]

Careful everyone the chief is here

 

[smasha]

Petrified of Richmond winning a threepeat because that means we can have a real shake at the 4 peat.

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the oppo (Hocking) way.

 

[SavDog23]

Is there a free kick section on sportsbet? I'm just gonna load up every week for us to lose the free kick count and probably be a millionare by years end.

That's how blatently one sided it is.

 

[Mile High Tiger]

Well, some curious facts…..

1. Our average free kick differential this year is of course the worst in the AFL at -6.9 free kicks per game. In 2021 we have 3 free kicks awarded against us roughly for every two we have awarded to us. I am pretty certain this is the WORST relative figure every recorded in the VFL/AFL. I have checked records back to the mid 1960’s and whilst there are missing free kick figures for several years in the 90’s for some reason, I could not find a team in a full season who had a worse relative differential than that.

2. This average absolute free kick differential of -6.9 is the worst any team has conceded since 1980, when, by coincidence, a certain humble little organisation called the Richmond Tigers Football Club recorded a free kick differential of -7.4. But at that time, there were roughly twice as many free kicks being paid so the current -6.9 differential is relatively way worse than even the diabolical 1980 differential.

3. It has been posited that Richmond genuinely infringe more than any other team so of course we would concede the most free kicks in the competition. I guess that could explain then why we given on average almost 5 free kicks per match more than say the Suns, Eagles or Bulldogs. So let us for a momemnt accept that we could possibly be the biggest infringers in the AFL. What then would be the odds of the team who is the biggest infringer also legitimately being the least infringed team? Because, you guessed it, we also receive the fewest free kicks on average of any team in the AFL in 2021.

4. Maybe we have played all the teams who happen to infringe the least and this is why our "free kicks for" count is so low…..as we know we rank highest for free kicks against, and we have played teams ranked 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 8th 10th 11th 14th 15th and 17th for free kicks conceded. So no, on average our opponents are above average free kick conceders…until they play us of course.

5. How often has the biggest free kick conceder also been adjudged the least infringed in an AFL season? Giants in 2019, but with a free kick differential of a mere -4, compared to our horrendous -6.9. Before that, it had never happened in 31 seasons of the AFL era. The last time was the 1972 Hawks, whose differential was in relative terms much lower than our 2021 differential.

So 18 club competition. If free kicks against and free kicks for were two factors that did not effect each other, then the odds of the same team conceding the most free kicks and also gaining the least free kicks would be 323 to 1.

Strange.

There. Is. Something. Going. On. Here.

Oh, and by the way, after his Richmond whingeing segment on First Crack post mach tonight, authorities advise that the use of completely unnecessary violence and threats against excited dobber Tom Morris has been approved.

Great post.
I've done some stats that I'll post when I get back to Melbourne. What they clearly show is that for 7 out of our 10 opponents this season, their average free kicks conceded over the first nine rounds dropped markedly in their game against Richmond. There is definitely something going on. Whether it's unconscious by umpires, a subtle directive or just umpire locker room talk taken onto the field. Who knows?

 

[Phar Ace]

Well, some curious facts…..

1. Our average free kick differential this year is of course the worst in the AFL at -6.9 free kicks per game. In 2021 we have 3 free kicks awarded against us roughly for every two we have awarded to us. I am pretty certain this is the WORST relative figure every recorded in the VFL/AFL. I have checked records back to the mid 1960’s and whilst there are missing free kick figures for several years in the 90’s for some reason, I could not find a team in a full season who had a worse relative differential than that.

2. This average absolute free kick differential of -6.9 is the worst any team has conceded since 1980, when, by coincidence, a certain humble little organisation called the Richmond Tigers Football Club recorded a free kick differential of -7.4. But at that time, there were roughly twice as many free kicks being paid so the current -6.9 differential is relatively way worse than even the diabolical 1980 differential.

3. It has been posited that Richmond genuinely infringe more than any other team so of course we would concede the most free kicks in the competition. I guess that could explain then why we given on average almost 5 free kicks per match more than say the Suns, Eagles or Bulldogs. So let us for a momemnt accept that we could possibly be the biggest infringers in the AFL. What then would be the odds of the team who is the biggest infringer also legitimately being the least infringed team? Because, you guessed it, we also receive the fewest free kicks on average of any team in the AFL in 2021.

4. Maybe we have played all the teams who happen to infringe the least and this is why our "free kicks for" count is so low…..as we know we rank highest for free kicks against, and we have played teams ranked 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 8th 10th 11th 14th 15th and 17th for free kicks conceded. So no, on average our opponents are above average free kick conceders…until they play us of course.

5. How often has the biggest free kick conceder also been adjudged the least infringed in an AFL season? Giants in 2019, but with a free kick differential of a mere -4, compared to our horrendous -6.9. Before that, it had never happened in 31 seasons of the AFL era. The last time was the 1972 Hawks, whose differential was in relative terms much lower than our 2021 differential.

So 18 club competition. If free kicks against and free kicks for were two factors that did not effect each other, then the odds of the same team conceding the most free kicks and also gaining the least free kicks would be 323 to 1.

Strange.

There. Is. Something. Going. On. Here.

Oh, and by the way, after his Richmond whingeing segment on First Crack post mach tonight, authorities advise that the use of completely unnecessary violence and threats against excited dobber Tom Morris has been approved.

Brilliant summary of the problem.

I do have an issue with people thinking this is all anti-Richmond. It degrades the logic of any of their arguments quite frankly. I can say with confidence that one Club or team is not that important that it could consciously dominate the thinking of the umpires in unison across an eighteen team competition. They are simply not that good or capable!

But, something is going on for this statistical trend to not deviate! It's not the new rule(s) because the trend line is longer than that, though it could exacerbate or alleviate it (need the full season at least before assuming anything).

Dimma has, once or twice, made reference to our playing style and tactics and how they could could contribute something towards it, but, even he is not saying it is all or nothing. It will be interesting to observe what the trend line is like after this week. To see if all the discussion that will be had, significantly affects the next few games we have.

The umpires are a fraternity just like the players are (odd I know but they probably become bigger mates because of what I'll call "the brothers in arms syndrome".) They have each others back as well. It's a human thing. They talk, they joke together, they even socialise together (boring!) They are not yet fully professional though. Whatever is happening over and above the issue with our playing style, I suspect it is unconscious or has become cultural in some way. It deserves looking into. If they haven't, the RFC should appoint someone to spend some time observing it with a single focus, researching it as much as they can to find a way to change the nexus - because it is akin to the opposition having another player on the ground for passages of the game. It is that important. Not as a witch hunt, but rather as a genuine means to 'not gaining a disadvantage' - we are really big on doing what we can to gain an advantage - we also have to work hard in the other direction as well.

 

[smasha]

Humans favour over other teams,humans have emotions,there is no way to stop that.

Look at some of the Olympic judging when emotions take over in the history of that event.

The Eurovision song contest is another good example.

 

[Phar Ace]

Humans favour over other teams,humans have emotions,there is no way to stop that.

Look at some of the Olympic judging when emotions take over in the history of that event.

The Eurovision song contest is another good example.

I really like Eurovision - it's as hilarious as it is strange. Bit different though - imagine the game stopping for 300,000 fans to cast their vote on whether a set play should be goal or not - effing Collingwood would win every game if the recent mark of the round was anything to go on.

Take your very good point about the Olympics though.

 

[RJK Tiger]

Dimma has, once or twice, made reference to our playing style and tactics and how they could could contribute something towards it, but, even he is not saying it is all or nothing. It will be interesting to observe what the trend line is like after this week. To see if all the discussion that will be had, significantly affects the next few games we have.

Our style has certainly played a role for it over 2017,18 & even 19. But the last 2 seasons have been a joke & they literally changed rules to pay free kicks against our specific style. The on the mark one is totally focused to shutting down our zone defence, basically made us have to remove 1 player from it - that rule is the dumbest i have ever seen. It effectively turns a free kick into a netball goal shooting experience - just a player standing their pointlessly waving their arms around - makes the game very ugly

 

[smasha]

The umpires give us a different interpretation of alot of rules,Richmond players marking it last night and called to play on within a nano second,htb pinged in a nano second last night.

Last week ,when WE tackled ,they blew the whistle really quick to stop the tackle being turned into a htb while they delayed the GWS tackles to call htb in their benefit.

They keep changing the interpretations to kill us.

 

[smasha]

I really like Eurovision - it's as hilarious as it is strange. Bit different though - imagine the game stopping for 300,000 fans to cast their vote on whether a set play should be goal or not - effing Collingwood would win every game if the recent mark of the round was anything to go on.

Take your very good point about the Olympics though.

Humans have emotions ,since RFC starting becoming a force,the umpires have let their emotions take over their decisions.

The same time media wanted rule changes because they knew how good we are.

 

[dwwaino]

I can accept playing on the edge and conceding more frees. There is no reason the counts have to be equal. I just want consistency. There is no way a team can be so disciplined in today's game to only concede 6 frees in a half of football. Jack gets pinged almost weekly for ridiculous marking attempts (which I wish he'd cut out), yet Daniher did it 4 or 5 times in a half without getting near the ball as if it were actually his instruction to take our defenders out of the play. It's things like that which shit me.

 

[Sanchezsmanchez]

My lad is a passionate Lions man. We love this fixture. Its where a father and son sink a few frothies, talk sh#t and watch our teams go at it. In this fast paced modern world its one of the few occasions I get my son to myself. I had to leave at 3/4 time, the umpires had finally worn me down. Im done with the anti Richmond agenda. This biased cheating umpiring scum is actually preventing me from being a good dad! Go f#ck youself Gillon, you hairy arsed home wrecker.

 

[Phar Ace]

Our style has certainly played a role for it over 2017,18 & even 19. But the last 2 seasons have been a joke & they literally changed rules to pay free kicks against our specific style. The on the mark one is totally focused to shutting down our zone defence, basically made us have to remove 1 player from it - that rule is the dumbest i have ever seen. It effectively turns a free kick into a netball goal shooting experience - just a player standing their pointlessly waving their arms around - makes the game very ugly

You won't get any argument from me in regard the Stand Rule. It is a blight on the game and for what good - effectively turning the guy with the ball into some sort of untouchable person once he plays on for the next 2 seconds. As kids we learned that 'the Mark' was an imaginary line parallel to the goals from where 'the Mark' was taken. Making a person stand almost motionless is a visual and auditory blight. There are now too many contradictions of purpose within the games rules. With every slight deviation of the rules comes another 5-10 purpose contradictions - it's the Domino effect. That a man like Steve Hocking could play the game for so long and also reach the highest level, and still tamper with the rules with these convoluted variants is stunning! We riducule him at times, but he is not stupid, not lacking in experience. He appears to lack commonsense though.

 

[Phar Ace]

Humans have emotions ,since RFC starting becoming a force,the umpires have let their emotions take over their decisions.

The same time media wanted rule changes because they knew how good we are.

Sorry mate, apart form the first three words, I don't but any of that at a conscious level.

 

[dwwaino]

You won't get any argument from me in regard the Stand Rule. It is a blight on the game and for what good - effectively turning the guy with the ball into some sort of untouchable person once he plays on for the next 2 seconds. As kids we learned that 'the Mark' was an imaginary line parallel to the goals from where 'the Mark' was taken. Making a person stand almost motionless is a visual and auditory blight. There are now too many contradictions of purpose within the games rules. With every slight deviation of the rules comes another 5-10 purpose contradictions - it's the Domino effect. That a man like Steve Hocking could play the game for so long and also reach the highest level, and still tamper with the rules with these convoluted variants is stunning! We riducule him at times, but he is not stupid, not lacking in experience. He appears to lack commonsense though.

I usually ignore those that carry on "tHe GaMe Is LiKe NeTbAlL" but standing the mark now is an absolutely pointless relic. May as well make him go and stand next to the guy with the ball and be told not to interfere. You know, like netball.

 

[VB_longneck]

Is there a free kick section on sportsbet? I'm just gonna load up every week for us to lose the free kick count and probably be a millionare by years end.

That's how blatently one sided it is.

of course there isnt because its fixed

 

[Phar Ace]

I can accept playing on the edge and conceding more frees. There is no reason the counts have to be equal. I just want consistency. There is no way a team can be so disciplined in today's game to only concede 6 frees in a half of football. Jack gets pinged almost weekly for ridiculous marking attempts (which I wish he'd cut out), yet Daniher did it 4 or 5 times in a half without getting near the ball as if it were actually his instruction to take our defenders out of the play. It's things like that which sh*t me.

Let's watch the rest of the round first - I'm all for the Daniher attaempts to mark that may go awry - the Cameron one I have no problem with either - it was getting a joke how often players were being pinged for what has become known as an 'unrealistic marking attempt'. This is being adjudicated by men and women who have probably never attempted a speccie in their glorious life. I said during the game, looks like discussions may have finally been had to the umpires to pull back on what they deem is unrealistic. If so, then good. I know they do it, have these discussions about interpretations and focus on improving the calls in a given round. I have been with a mate who received the call from a-then AFL umpire telling him what the rule was they would focus a little more on that week - and sure enough........ and that's OK - teams have a focus on an element of their game. Umpires need to too. However it should be ore widely known - it's not like they are trying to catch drunk drivers. It's football ffs

 

[eays]

I usually ignore those that carry on "tHe GaMe Is LiKe NeTbAlL" but standing the mark now is an absolutely pointless relic. May as well make him go and stand next to the guy with the ball and be told not to interfere. You know, like netball.

If.we snag another flag this year 100% they'll bring in rhe 2 players inside 50 from the VFL and then we might all replace the traditional jumpers with GA, WD etc because it will be netball

 

[tugga]

Is there a free kick section on sportsbet? I'm just gonna load up every week for us to lose the free kick count and probably be a millionare by years end.

That's how blatently one sided it is.

Would take you a long time to be a millionaire betting on a $1.01 shot every week.