Updated VFL/AFL premiership tally
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Well yeah I guess.
I'm not so sure. If I'm reading that table correctly, it's counting playing a final as the same value as winning a flag. Surely, that's not the way to do it.
Hang on.. what about the forgotten years? Should we not be starting from 1870? The real start date? 
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No it isn't, it's calculating averages over the time a club has had success. 'Success' being subject to opinion, none the less making a GF is more successful than winning the spoon, same as making a final vs not making a final.
What the spread sheet does is eliminate the '1910 flag doesn't count, coz it's not the same as it is now' argument, by that logic you could claim the 2024 flag is irrelevant in 100 years time.
What it also does is separate a 'flags only as the metric to be measured' argument, otherwise you can't separate the 3 clubs that have the most flags.
That is the idea of the spread sheet, ok, that is convenient from where I sit, none the less the facts from AFL tables can't be denied.
Because they're different competitions, going by your logic Port Adelaide would be clear winners, as far as we know. There might be a club that has more than 29 flags in a competition somewhere, that we don't know about.Hang on.. what about the forgotten years? Should we not be starting from 1870? The real start date?
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If you don't agree that's fine, but the Port Adelaide argument against it isnt a very good one.
Listen to uncle Col shut-down Rohan Connelly over this exact point @ 1.58.
"Port Adelaide was in a different competition", those are the words of Colin in that video.
This current competition is the VFL expanded, a different competition to the one Charles Brownlow was premiership captain in 1883.
Whichever way you wanna boil it down and dissect it, they're different competitions, fact.
If you wanna measure clubs purely by how many cups they've won, then there's probably a club that has more flags than Port.
But we're not measuring that are we, we're measuring the performance metric in this competition, not others.
Your point and your video is moot.
Not to mention the graphic with VFA/VFL/AFL hypothetical premiership tally missed a rather important detail - the VFA didn't start until 1877 - not 1870. Whatever importance individual clubs may attach to 1870-1876, it was NOT the VFA.
In any case, as you've pointed out the VFA up to 1896 is the same as the SANFL, WAFL, or any other competition. The VFL was a breakaway - a new competition. It was not a continuation.
2:15 - "Port Adelaide's got a wonderful history, but most of that was playing against completely different teams."
Yes , unlike say teams like Hotham, West Melbourne, East Melbourne, Albert Park, Ballarat, Ballarat Imperial, South Williamstown, and South Ballarat (plus future VFA stalwarts such as Williamstown, Prahran, and Port Melbourne). All played in the VFA prior to 1897. Along with the local and JUNIOR clubs that also participated in that era. There was no fixture until 1888, and no even fixture (teams playing the same amount of games) until 1894.
But sure Colin, it's only Port Adelaide who played against different teams.
